What is the legality of Trump's National Guard actions?

[Rambunctious]

Rigby5 you are lying aren't you?.... another poster told me you lie and she was right... there is no way you are this dense....

 

[Rambunctious]

Exactly, which is why they are illegal to use on civilians unless there has been an armed uprising.

LA is an armed resistance... turn on the TV and see for yourself...

 

[OKTexas]

Well of course not "all of them", but on average.
The undocumented workers are way above average when it comes to social values.

Sure, if you don't count the federal laws they broke to get here and the laws they break every day they're here. Real upstanding criminals. LMAO

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[struth]

Its not our country actually, but theirs, since they are the natives and we are European invaders who murdered their ancestors and drove them out.

Those undocumented who happen to be here have the exact same individual rights, like life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
Government does NOT have any authority of its own.
When government arrest, it does so based on the delegated authority they borrow, from those they are protecting.
But since undocumented harm no one, and actually are an advantage to those who wish to hire them, it then is illegal to arrest them.

The descendants of the original natives have the same rights as the originals.
In fact, most of the US is still supposed to be protected land grands from Spain, France, and England, that we are violating.

The "illegals from Venezuela" not only came from ancestors who originally lived in the US, but we illegally imposed economic sanctions on Venezuela that forced them to have to flee Venezuela.

The Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo was with Mexico, not Spain.

Haha yes it is our country.

I don’t disagree human beings all have basic rights, and yes our nation was founded on that. Citizens gave up certain rights to the states, and federal govt to help organize our country

Illegals aren’t part of that when they break our laws to get here

 

[Etymology gaslight]

Its within the purview of the Commander in Chief to direct Federal assets for the protection, fortification and resupply of Federal installations.

It's his duty from inauguration Day.
Even when he's walking down the capitol steps after the inaugurations.

(Plural)

It's the Grover Cleveland effect

Ironically neither is a Gemini but I am.

 

[Rigby5]

No, you're wrong. ICE had warrants. These illegal-alien-criminals had their due process that's why they all have rap sheets for murder, robbery, etc. Would you let these miscreants live in YOUR house?

How do you get a legal warrant to raid the Home Depot parking lot, when the same people are not even likely going to be there one day to the next.
They obviously had no valid search warrant.
That requires specific evidence testimony about an individual.
None of those arrested had "rap sheets".
If they had been convicted of crimes, they would already have been arrested.

 

[Failzero]

How do you get a legal warrant to raid the Home Depot parking lot, when the same people are not even likely going to be there one day to the next.
They obviously had no valid search warrant.
That requires specific evidence testimony about an individual.
None of those arrested had "rap sheets".
If they had been convicted of crimes, they would already have been arrested.

They follow or stake out the targets

 

[Leo123]

Sure, if you don't count the federal laws they broke to get here and the laws they break every day they're here. Real upstanding criminals. LMAO

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Yes and, not to mention undercutting wages. They are bringing their culture here and are not interested in assimilating. They come here to work and send the money back to Mexico, then their families buy property in Mexico.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, ICE agents have the authority to arrest individuals. They can arrest non-citizens based on a valid warrant or if they have reason to believe the person is removable and likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained. AI answer....

ICE agents have no more authority arrest anyone than you or I do.
ICE is not acting on warrants and not getting warrants after the fact either.
There is no way to know who is going to be at a Home Depot parking lot raid.
And there is no legal basis for even doing an ID check at a raid like that without testimony of harm being done to anyone.

AI is not a valid source.

 

[Failzero]

ICE agents have no more authority arrest anyone than you or I do.
ICE is not acting on warrants and not getting warrants after the fact either.
There is no way to know who is going to be at a Home Depot parking lot raid.
And there is no legal basis for even doing an ID check at a raid like that without testimony of harm being done to anyone.

AI is not a valid source.

Your not rooted in real life here

 

[Leo123]

How do you get a legal warrant to raid the Home Depot parking lot, when the same people are not even likely going to be there one day to the next.
They obviously had no valid search warrant.
That requires specific evidence testimony about an individual.
None of those arrested had "rap sheets".
If they had been convicted of crimes, they would already have been arrested.

ICE posted photos of who they arrested and they all had long rap sheets. I don't know about your Home Depot parking lot. Sounds like you got that from MSNBC.

 

[OKTexas]

ICE agents have no more authority to arrest than your uncle does.
It is only judicial arrest warrants issued by judges that legally authorize anyone to be detained or deported.
ICE has ZERO authority to detain anyone on their own.
Everyone has the authority to arrest ICE when they try to detain anyone without a judicial warrant.

Law and order is based on the defense of inherent rights.
The undocumented harm no one.
It is ICE who is doing ALL the HARM!
The way ICE is operating in totally contrary to the principles of a republic.

ICE is an armed federal law enforcement agency, no different than than US Marshalls or the FBI, just a different mission. You might want to ask Musk for a rocket, to get you back to this planet.

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[theHawk]

There is no evidence of that whatsoever.

It’s in the article. Yes, Dems did want to activate the National Guard because they were so butt hurt over razor wire on the border.

 

[Oddball]

National Guard being called in to protect Jack booted thugs going around and rounding up people off the streets is not American.

But it is Nazi.

And you cheer for the thugs.

Nothing more American than enforcing the law, and laying the smack down on violent Marxist goons.

So FU.

 

[Mac-7]

ICE agents in violation of judicial due process, are armed in the commission of a felony and can justifiable be met with deadly force.

You dont know anything about ICE violating due process

Thats just a wild lib assumption

 

[Oddball]

You dont know anything about ICE violating due process

Thats just a wild lib assumption

In the original raid, ICE was serving a legitimate warrant for violent criminals...."Due process" galore.

 

[Eman623]

Wrong.
Flags are not deadly weapons, so changes nothing.

Bricks and Molotov cocktails are.

When a foreign national crosses the US border illegally, torches a car and then poses on it with the Mexican flag, in what sense is that not an international act of hostility? What is the message here if not, "This is Mexico now!"

 

[Mac-7]

In the original raid, ICE was serving a legitimate warrant for violent criminals...."Due process" galore.

These career anarchists will use any lie they can think of to commit mayhem

That's what they live for

 

[Rigby5]

Haha yes it is our country.

I don’t disagree human beings all have basic rights, and yes our nation was founded on that. Citizens gave up certain rights to the states, and federal govt to help organize our country

Illegals aren’t part of that when they break our laws to get here

No one is supposed to "give up certain rights" to government.
What is supposed to happen is that government can temporarily borrow the authority that the defense of rights gives, when individuals temporarily delegate it to government.
For example, we can hire police to enforce the laws protecting my house and property.
That does not put police as being more powerful than I, but instead just allows the subservient police to temporarily look after my property for me.
People assume police then are a source of authority, and they are not.
That is wrong. The reason police can arrest is because everyone can arrest those who violate their rights.

As far as the undocumented, they are native and their ancestors were here before ours, so we can't make law excluding them.
The only way we could legally make laws harming them is if they were first harming us.
And they aren't.
They actually have far less crime and are vastly beneficial to our agriculture and other businesses.
They are paying our Social Security.

 

[Oddball]

These career anarchists will use any lie they can think of to commit mayhem

That's what they live for

These Marxist peckerheads are no anarchists....Real anarchists wouldn't dare act like these fucking overgrown spoiled brat children.