What is the legality of Trump's National Guard actions?

[TimFitz]

Did anyone mention Martial law yet? You now like in 1967 forcing states to allow black kids in White schools?

Yes.

The idea has been kicking around the Trump cabal since the last time they tried to overthrow the government.

Mike Flynn publicly called for Donald Trump to declare Marshal Law.

In 1962, and 1956, different Presidents ordered out the National Guard to protect the rights of Americans from Dixiecrat racist politicians.

In 2025, a different President orders the National guard out, not to defend anyone’s rights, but to deprive citizens and non citizens alike of their freedom and right of due process.

The threat to America and all it ever stood for is clear and present.

And it isn’t standing outside a Home Depot looking for day work.

 

[struth]

I strongly disagree.
When we restrict our actions it had better be only to protect the rights of other individuals.
We should NEVER give up anything for government.
Government has no right to anything.
Government exists only as a subservient agent of the protection of others.

How does govt exist? Where does its power come from?

 

[HikerGuy83]

The reason we were in Vietnam is because we are colonial imperialists, and saw the opportunity to make money off what used to be the French monopoly before Ho Chi Minh defeated them.

That is so funny. It's not even close.

We had very little business interests there.

This was about the "domino theory".

The Domino Theory was fake and had nothing to do with it really.

Utter hogswill.

The first thing we did was stop the democratic elections in Vietnam, and back the military takeover by the dictator Diem.

We never signed the accords. Diem was elected in (what I am sure was a really fair and honest election) after Dai abducated.

The real elections were for reunification.

Since we didn't sign the accord, we didn't sign up for the elections. They were never held.

Given the mood of the country (the fall of China, the Korean War and whatever) Kennedy probed. He was ready to get out and would have gotten us out. Johnson took over and wasn't going to let that "piss-ant" country win.

Not sure your point about the 17th amendment?
That appears to be a good thing, where senators were elected by the people instead of by the state legislators.

Thus demonstrating (1) your ignorance of the structure of the Constitution.

Your disdain for states soveriegnty which you seem so want to push because it suites you stupid little purpose.

Senators were accountable to the states. As Madison said, they were there to cool down the house when it got to crazy. That should help you understand why the 10th was so important and why your constant violation of it is so enraging. Putting their election in the hands of the people no longer seprates them from the house. They have become super representatives.

As it stands, we should just do away with them. They are the most corrupt of the whole lot.

They don't care about the protection of state powers. They only care about fortune and fame (Can you say Harry Reid or that total jerkwad Ted "I'm so glad he's dead" Kennedy"?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Since undocumented are an advantage and not an infringement, there really is not much that should be done to them.

I agree....just ship them out. Simple.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I strongly disagree.

Nobody cares.

We should NEVER give up anything for government.

Perhaps you'd like to argue with John Jay:

Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights in order to vest it with requisite powers.

I am sure you know where this can be found.

And it only makes sense as the government hast to have some level of power....or else you are not familiar with the articles of confederation.

 

[Rigby5]

See the SCOTUS decision on Terry Stops.

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Terry stops are illegal in my opinion, but the SCOTUS calls them legal only if they are based on a "reasonable suspicion" of a crime. That requires some sort of actual evidence and not just a made up opinion based on ethnicity.
The Home Depot parking lot raids clearly are not valid because there is nothing to indicate those looking for work in Home Depot parking lots are not citizens.

 

[Rigby5]

I agree....just ship them out. Simple.

Based on what legal principle?

 

[Slyhunter]

Yes.

The idea has been kicking around the Trump cabal since the last time they tried to overthrow the government.

Mike Flynn publicly called for Donald Trump to declare Marshal Law.

In 1962, and 1956, different Presidents ordered out the National Guard to protect the rights of Americans from Dixiecrat racist politicians.

In 2025, a different President orders the National guard out, not to defend anyone’s rights, but to deprive citizens and non citizens alike of their freedom and right of due process.

The threat to America and all it ever stood for is clear and present.

And it isn’t standing outside a Home Depot looking for day work.

You think that was an actual attempt to usurp the Government? No need to read the rest of what you wrote. And the riots in LA are peaceful.

 

[Leo123]

While undercutting wages could be a valid concern, the reality is that people are so racist in the US that they only hire Hispanics for job no one else wants.
And their "culture" is a vast improvement.
Hispanics have much better family and community values than greed Europeans do.
Their history is tribal, social, and interpersonal.
Our European history is feudal, violent, greedy, and left by the Romans.
Some do send money back to family, but if they can get their family here, then the money stays here.

Illegal aliens will work for cheap that is why they get hired, not because people are racist, you loon. If 'their culture' was so good, why do they risk their lives to come here? Traditional Americans have far better family and community values compared to the shit hole countries to the South which is why we got invaded when Biden refused to guard our border. Euros aren't much better, Hell we LEFT there to COME HERE and make a BETTER country.

 

[Rigby5]

Nobody cares.


Perhaps you'd like to argue with John Jay:

Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights in order to vest it with requisite powers.

I am sure you know where this can be found.

And it only makes sense as the government hast to have some level of power....or else you are not familiar with the articles of confederation.

The closest to being "vested with powers" is the ability to raise tax revenue.
But that is civil responsibility and not really an empowerment of government.

But John Jay is not one to believe verbatim since it seems he was fine with slavery.
{... John Jay himself purchased, owned, rented out and manumitted at least 17 slaves during his lifetime. ...}

I do not mind the Founders being a little off since they were used to total royal dictatorships.
But they were not experts on law, republics, or government in general.

 

[Rigby5]

Illegal aliens will work for cheap that is why they get hired, not because people are racist, you loon. If 'their culture' was so good, why do they risk their lives to come here? Traditional Americans have far better family and community values compared to the shit hole countries to the South which is why we got invaded when Biden refused to guard our border. Euros aren't much better, Hell we LEFT there to COME HERE and make a BETTER country.

Undocumented work cheap because we refuse them any higher pay than what little we give them.
Their culture is great, but the US and other colonial imperialists have essentially taken over and enslaved their countries.
Traditional Americans from Europe are greedy, selfish, and do nothing to help others if they can get away with it.
While we learned a lot from the Iroquois Federation, we are still way too greedy, selfish, and violent.

 

[Rambunctious]

I have never seen a Home Depot that had anyone actually living near by.
They typically are in big shopping centers.

Come on... our Home Depot has housing within walking distance... I don't know how the one is where this happened but neither do you... its about contractors having tools stolen and stepping around piss to load their truck... employees cars broken into... this is a new breed of immigrant we have never seen before and its sad because good ones will get caught up in it... you can blame Biden for that....

 

[Lesh]

I lived with them. They were my neighbors, coworkers, they shoplifted at the stores I tried to shop at. They abandoned their dogs at the same park I walked my dog at. This is not some esoteric issue that happened miles away to someone else. I lived with them for decades. Even when I moved, they crept in like some kind of poisonous fungus.

So you were supposedly a hotshot lawyer living in a neighborhood with “them”,

Sure ya evil bitch

 

[Rigby5]

You think that was an actual attempt to usurp the Government? No need to read the rest of what you wrote. And the riots in LA are peaceful.

Using troops on civilians in order to enforce illegal searches, arrests, and deportations, most certainly is the start of an attempt to usurp the Government.

The riots in LA are more than justified.
Way more than the Boston Tea Party.

 

[Leo123]

Undocumented work cheap because we refuse them any higher pay than what little we give them.
Their culture is great, but the US and other colonial imperialists have essentially taken over and enslaved their countries.
Traditional Americans from Europe are greedy, selfish, and do nothing to help others if they can get away with it.
While we learned a lot from the Iroquois Federation, we are still way too greedy, selfish, and violent.

Why should we pay them anything? Illegal aliens should just be deported. Last time I looked, Mexico was not part of the U.S. You loon. Traditional Americans from Europe created a country that everyone in the world wants to come to. You have no support for your hate America screed. You seem pretty miserable. Why are you here? If you're not an American, go home, if you are an American, move out. No one wants to hear your anti-American bullshit.

 

[Rambunctious]

The intent of immigration laws was about how to become a citizen, and there was no concept of being able to prevent people from simply working here.
Its weird for the US to even consider preventing foreign workers, considering how all the citizens of the US are descendants of foreign invaders.

Immigration law says if you want to live here you have to have a skill or a job waiting for you so you don't become a drain on the treasury... you can't have a criminal record and you must pass a physical to see if you have a contagion...
That is due process for the American people.... but those rules are often ignored... but not anymore I would bet...

 

[Slyhunter]

Based on what legal principle?

Worthless scum is not written on the Statue of Liberty, Those who came back then just wanted to work for a fair wage.
They did not come for a free Education, Welfare, SNAP, handouts of any kind. They did not come to make our country just like the countries they were allegedly fleeing.

 

[Rigby5]

Come on... our Home Depot has housing within walking distance... I don't know how the one is where this happened but neither do you... its about contractors having tools stolen and stepping around piss to load their truck... employees cars broken into... this is a new breed of immigrant we have never seen before and its sad because good ones will get caught up in it... you can blame Biden for that....

I have only lived in 5 cities, but none of the Home Depots in any of the cities had any residential areas within 2 blocks.

I have never heard of any harm, like tools being stolen, pissing on the parking lot, etc., because the others wanting employment would rat on them.

 

[Slyhunter]

Using troops on civilians in order to enforce illegal searches, arrests, and deportations, most certainly is the start of an attempt to usurp the Government.

The riots in LA are more than justified.
Way more than the Boston Tea Party.

Non-citizens. ie. invaders of our country. A attempt to subvert our government.

 

[Slyhunter]

I have only lived in 5 cities, but none of the Home Depots in any of the cities had any residential areas within 2 blocks.

I have never heard of any harm, like tools being stolen, pissing on the parking lot, etc., because the others wanting employment would rat on them.

That rat and their family would then die, mysteriously.