what is the lefts plan to end the war in Ukraine ?

[JoeB131]

Bullshit. Again, you can't just keep feeding material to people who don't have the level of training and organization required to use them Western equipment needs western trained troops.

Funny, the US Army qualifies you in most MOS's in 16-24 weeks.

Just not seeing the problem here.

Look, man, I know you are keen on a craven surrender because Cheeto Jesus has demanded it, but if Ukraine loses, it will be because Trump betrayed them.

 

[Zavulon]

Not a good example. Since nothing there contradicts your rights. I will give you a better example.


Latvia has decided to become a part of the EU and Europe. It's people want to be a part of the EU and NATO. Russia on the other hand considers it part of their territory. What "mutual profitable" solution do you suggest?

It depends. Mostly it depends on why Latvians want to become a part of EU, what are they going to achieve, how badly they want it, and how badly and why EU want to earn this territory.

If we consider Latvia as our territory and EU wants to earn this territory, they may, say, suggest us a fair price or another territories for it (like we may be interested in Ireland or other EU territory). If EU wants to take what is rightfully ours without paying the price - ok, they are in deep troubles.

If Latvians want EU membership to genocide local Russians - yes, Latvians are in deep troubles, either.

 

[yidnar]

Ukraine is NOT asking for troops. They are asking for money. Something much cheaper than blood.

answer the question .. do you want US troops on the ground if that's what it takes to drive Russia out ? dont deflect answer the question .. how far are you willing to see the US go to stop Putin ..

 

[forkup]

It depends. Mostly it depends on why Latvians want to become a part of EU, what are they going to achieve, how badly they want it, and how badly and why EU want to earn this territory.

If we consider Latvia as our territory and EU wants to earn this territory, they may, say, suggest us a fair price or another territories for it (like we may be interested in Ireland or other EU territory). If EU wants to take what is rightfully ours without paying the price - ok, they are in deep troubles.

If Latvians want EU membership to genocide local Russians - yes, Latvians are in deep troubles, either.

genocide local Russians

Please back this up.

 

[yidnar]

This thread has devolved into a circle-jerk-of-lightweight-morons posing as pseudo-intellectuals.

and you are the pivot man ..

 

[yidnar]

There was a time that the US understood this Give me liberty or give me death! - Wikipedia!

Good thing that Churchill understood this.

Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last. All of them hope that the storm will pass before their turn comes to be devoured. But I fear greatly that the storm will not pass. It will rage and it will roar ever more loudly, ever more widely.

Sadly all of you now want to admire Chamberlain.

why don't you volunteer and join the Ukraine army and fight on the front lines tough guy ? Ukraine is accepting foreign volunteers to fight !

 

[Zavulon]

Please back this up.

Didn't you see the word "If"? If they want genocide Russians - Russians will fight them back. If they want to grant local Russians equal rights - Russians will also live with them in peace.

 

[toobfreak]

Biden didn't start the war.

Sure he did. Weakness promotes aggression.

And Trump didn't do anything in his first term to dissuade his BFF from invading.

Good one, HoleJack! Trump did not do anything to prevent future events from occurring! Surprised you didn't try to blame Trump for Biden's 15 million invaders and high egg prices! Trump should have seen these things coming and stopped them before they occurred!

But thanks for laying down the groundwork now that anything that goes bad in Trump's 2nd term, we can blame on Biden for not doing anything in his first term to dissuade!

 

[Godboy]

Sorry, I'm confused. Why does "the left" need to provide a solution to end the war?

Because "the left" keeps saying that our idea to end the war is wrong.

 

[forkup]

answer the question .. do you want US troops on the ground if that's what it takes to drive Russia out ? dont deflect answer the question .. how far are you willing to see the US go to stop Putin ..

Why do you think I would deflect?

Yes, if that's what it takes.

So far there's no sign it does but if it would come to that, yes.

The reason is simple. I have ZERO confidence that Putin will stop with Ukraine. Just follow the conversation with Zavulon and you would know why. As I see it. It would either simply postpone war or force the Western world to give in at a later date and in a weaker position.

To put it in an analogy. How many lives you think would have been saved if the world would have reacted when Hitler wanted the Sudetenland? Or better yet the Rhineland?

History shows that rewarding aggression by dictators with territorial ambition doesn't stop the aggression. It simply postpones it.

 

[forkup]

why don't you volunteer and join the Ukraine army and fight on the front lines tough guy ? Ukraine is accepting foreign volunteers to fight !

Why don't you join Putin. You obviously relish him winning.

 

[yidnar]

I want Pootin to feel more pain.

You want to fuck him on first date.

join the Ukraine army and fight on the front lines ..

Ukraine appeals for foreign volunteers to join fight against Russia

President Zelenskiy issues call to arms to foreign nationals in battle against ‘Russian war criminals’

www.theguardian.com

 

[forkup]

Didn't you see the word "If"? If they want genocide Russians - Russians will fight them back. If they want to grant local Russians equal rights - Russians will also live with them in peace.

They have equal rights. It's called a Democracy.

So, in this case you would oppose Putin invading?

 

[yidnar]

Why do you think I would deflect?

Yes, if that's what it takes.

So far there's no sign it does but if it would come to that, yes.

The reason is simple. I have ZERO confidence that Putin will stop with Ukraine. Just follow the conversation with Zavulon and you would know why. As I see it. It would either postpone war or force the Western world to give in at a later date and in a weaker position.

To put it in an analogy. How many lives you think would have been saved if the world would have reacted when Hitler wanted the Sudetenland? Or better yet the Rhineland?

History shows that rewarding aggression by dictators with territorial ambition doesn't stop the aggression. It simply postpones it.

ok then go sign up for the front lines ..

Ukraine appeals for foreign volunteers to join fight against Russia

President Zelenskiy issues call to arms to foreign nationals in battle against ‘Russian war criminals’

www.theguardian.com

 

[yidnar]

Why don't you join Putin. You obviously relish him winning.

deflection by a coward .. I want the peace deal already being offered by the Trump admin .. its idiots like you calling for escalation .. so go join the fight .. or are you just a weak effeminate leftist [of course you are] saber rattling ..

 

[Zavulon]

They have equal rights. It's called a Democracy.

No, they haven't. They are officially discriminated.

So, in this case you would oppose Putin invading?

In what case? If he invades a foreign country without really significant reason? Yes, of course.

 

[yidnar]

Trump got his idea of “great television”. Which is what he wanted.

He kissed Vladimir Putin’s ass on live global television.

And he and Vance ganged upon Zelinsky, trying to make him look weak.

Zelinsky did not take the bait, so Vance lectured him like a gangster over “respect”,and then Trump bellowed and effectively ended the mineral deal.

The effect of this is to drive a deep wedge between the United States and NATO. Pushing us apart and weakening both parties on the world stage.

This is what aputin has always dreamed of, and Trump is trying to give it to Moscow on a plate.

On the other hand, had we elected to fight for freedom and self determination in Ukraine, we would have all of NATO with us (as we have since 1949).

And the Russians would be up against the wall.

And we would be respected.

then get up off your ass and join the fight !

Ukraine appeals for foreign volunteers to join fight against Russia

President Zelenskiy issues call to arms to foreign nationals in battle against ‘Russian war criminals’

www.theguardian.com

 

[forkup]

ok then go sign up for the front lines ..

Ukraine appeals for foreign volunteers to join fight against Russia

President Zelenskiy issues call to arms to foreign nationals in battle against ‘Russian war criminals’

www.theguardian.com

What point do you think you are making here?

I'm not Ukrainian or of military age. If, however full war would break out and my country got involved I would do my utmost to serve in whatever capacity they would have me. I've done it before, I would try to do so again.

But why is this relevant? You asked me a question. Implied that I somehow would dodge it. Answered it. And gave my reasoning for my response. Why aren't you addressing that, since you don't like people dodging. Instead of putting up this juvenile and clumsy attempt to try and imply I'm a hypocrite.

 

[yidnar]

Conservatives once stood for the spreading of democracy throughout the world.

Now we stand with pootin.

Putin does not want Trumps peace deal starting with US civilians and contractors on the ground mining Ukraine's rare earth minerals .. if you believe he does then you are not only a faggot , but a stupid faggot .. and yes you are effeminate and emotional .. and yes you are a faggot ..

 

[forkup]

No, they haven't. They are officially discriminated.


In what case? If he invades a foreign country without really significant reason? Yes, of course.

No, they haven't. They are officially discriminated.

Back this up please.