Zone1 What is Roman Catholicism ??

[Paradoxical#1]

No idea. They are who they are and history has recorded it. But you keep seeking strife and conflict. What could possibly go wrong with that?

History also recorded Thor and Zuess and Ra.

 

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History also recorded Thor and Zuess and Ra.

As myths of a polytheistic world.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

As myths of a polytheistic world.

As myths of a polytheistic world.

Sorry, ding. That was history and evidence that your god was fashioned after. They were considered facts by their believers.

 

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Sorry, ding. That was history and evidence that your god was fashioned after. They were considered facts by their believers.

Abraham disagrees. So does google.

Evidence for Historicity:

• Specific Figures and Events:
  Many historians and archaeologists accept the existence of figures like the Herods, Pontius Pilate, and the siege of Jerusalem in 597 BCE as historically accurate.
  
  
• Corroborating Evidence:
  Some parts of the Bible are supported by extra-biblical sources like ancient writings, inscriptions, and archaeological findings. For example, the Pool of Siloam, mentioned in John chapter 9, has been identified archaeologically.
  
  
• Archaeological Findings:
  Archaeological discoveries have confirmed the existence of places, structures, and even some details mentioned in the Bible.
  
  
• Geographic Accuracy:
  The Bible's geographical descriptions have been found to be accurate in many instances.

Parts of the Bible with Historical Challenges:

• Early Genesis (Creation, Flood, Tower of Babel):
  Many scholars, including some within religious traditions, view these accounts as symbolic or allegorical rather than literal historical narratives.
  
  
• Certain Narratives:
  Some biblical narratives, particularly those from earlier periods, may contain elements of folklore, myth, or legend alongside historical details.
  
  
• Anachronisms and Contradictions:
  There are instances in the Bible where historical details seem to contradict each other or are inconsistent with what is known from other sources.

Overall:
The Bible is a complex collection of writings with diverse literary genres, including historical narrative, poetry, prophecy, and legal codes. While some parts are widely accepted as historically accurate, others require careful interpretation and may not be intended to be read as literal history.

 

[Meriweather]

The author is unknown.

To whom?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

To whom?

To modern biblical scholars and former pastors who make their life's work studying your religion.

 

[Meriweather]

To modern biblical scholars and former pastors who make their life's work studying your religion.

Luke was an interesting man. He wrote to people who love God about men who love God.

 

[hobelim]

My question is what is Roman Cathollicism ? I use to hear that it was a cult.?/!

Its the same as Mithraism. The secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military.

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (wise men) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, in other words, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Luke was an interesting man. He wrote to people who love God about men who love God.

I can no longer love a fictional entity than I can love Superman for saving the planet from an asteroid.

 

[Meriweather]

I can no longer love a fictional entity than I can love Superman for saving the planet from an asteroid.

Who created Luke? Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster created the fictional Superman. Jesus is not a fictional character and the author, Luke, did not write about fictional characters.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

That ha

Its the same as Mithraism. The secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military.

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (wise men) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, in other words, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

That is the best write up of the comparison of Mithraism to Christianity I have ever seen in such a concise truthful method. For any truth seeker to not see that Christianity just stole other beliefs and made them theirs is beyond belief.

 

[Cougarbear]

Who--and in whose name--has the Catholic Church always proclaimed since the beginning and still proclaims today?

Mormons, on the other hand, from their beginning proclaimed the church of Joseph Smith and his latter day saints, and their gospel (Book of Mormon) which differs from the Bible. Their only option, to gain and keep their own following, was/is to declare the early Christian Church in apostasy. Shrug.

For anyone to declare any of the Abrahamic faiths outside the authority of God is a dangerous, blasphemous tact...so have a care.

Do you understand the word "DO?" Apparently not. If you are going to establish a church with Moses at the head, then call it the Church of Moses. If you are going to establish a church with John at the head, then call if the Church of John or the Church of the Baptist or Baptist Church. But, if you establish a church with Jesus Christ at the head, then DO what Jesus commanded to do, do all things IN HIS NAME. The Church of Jesus Christ. Roman Catholic Church doesn't cut it. No authority because the church leaders have been disobedient because they (Popes) want to be the head of the church.

The second statement is just narcissistic on your behalf. The Church has never been named The Church of Joseph Smith. Please show me your reference for this blatant lie. The name of the Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Joseph Smith was called by Jesus Christ as his prophet/apostle. To be an apostle by definition, one has to be sent by Jesus himself (one who is sent). It signifies authority and mission. The key, called and commissioned directly by Christ. Joseph Smith received this in the sacred grove when he knelt down in prayer with real intent, faith not wavering and without a double mind and the Father and Son came to him through the power of the Holy Ghost. He saw and testified of the Father and Son. They called him to open up this last dispensation of fulness of time after centuries of apostasy and the heavens closed. The mission, to restore Jesus Christ's Church with all it's authority of priesthood power of God as the restitution of all times spoken in the Bible.

As with the apostles in the times of Christ, most of the Jews rejected the Lord and his apostles for the same reason you are rejecting his oracles of God today, pride. I converted from the Jewish faith which wasn't easy. But, I humbled myself in the sight of the Lord and he lifted me up to know my sincere prayers were answered. I converted. He does this with Catholics every day around the world. It can be done with faith not wavering. Good luck.

 

[Cougarbear]

I'm sure you do see it that way. That is a textbook example of worshipping the form of religion though.

Joseph Smith was called by Jesus Christ as his prophet/apostle. To be an apostle by definition, one has to be sent by Jesus himself (one who is sent). It signifies authority and mission. The key, called and commissioned directly by Christ. Joseph Smith received this in the sacred grove when he knelt down in prayer with real intent, faith not wavering and without a double mind and the Father and Son came to him through the power of the Holy Ghost. He saw and testified of the Father and Son. They called him to open up this last dispensation of fulness of time after centuries of apostasy and the heavens closed. The mission, to restore Jesus Christ's Church with all it's authority of priesthood power of God as the restitution of all times spoken in the Bible.

As with the apostles in the times of Christ, most of the Jews rejected the Lord and his apostles for the same reason you are rejecting his oracles of God today, pride. I converted from the Jewish faith which wasn't easy. But, I humbled myself in the sight of the Lord and he lifted me up to know my sincere prayers were answered. I converted. He does this with Catholics every day around the world. It can be done with faith not wavering. The RCC did not DO what the Lord asked. Neither did the Jews too.

 

[Cougarbear]

All someone has to do is claim a vision to be an apostle? What if someone today said that?

They do. From Joseph Smith to the current prophet and apostles today in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As was in the times of Jesus and the ancient apostles, people said exactly the same thing you just did. What did Jesus and the apostles teach to know the truth and not reject the messages of current day apostles and prophets? James 1:5-9 is a good start.

 

[Meriweather]

Do you understand the word "DO?" Apparently not. If you are going to establish a church with Moses at the head, then call it the Church of Moses. If you are going to establish a church with John at the head, then call if the Church of John or the Church of the Baptist or Baptist Church. But, if you establish a church with Jesus Christ at the head, then DO what Jesus commanded to do, do all things IN HIS NAME. The Church of Jesus Christ. Roman Catholic Church doesn't cut it. No authority because the church leaders have been disobedient because they (Popes) want to be the head of the church.

The second statement is just narcissistic on your behalf. The Church has never been named The Church of Joseph Smith. Please show me your reference for this blatant lie. The name of the Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Joseph Smith was called by Jesus Christ as his prophet/apostle. To be an apostle by definition, one has to be sent by Jesus himself (one who is sent). It signifies authority and mission. The key, called and commissioned directly by Christ. Joseph Smith received this in the sacred grove when he knelt down in prayer with real intent, faith not wavering and without a double mind and the Father and Son came to him through the power of the Holy Ghost. He saw and testified of the Father and Son. They called him to open up this last dispensation of fulness of time after centuries of apostasy and the heavens closed. The mission, to restore Jesus Christ's Church with all it's authority of priesthood power of God as the restitution of all times spoken in the Bible.

As with the apostles in the times of Christ, most of the Jews rejected the Lord and his apostles for the same reason you are rejecting his oracles of God today, pride. I converted from the Jewish faith which wasn't easy. But, I humbled myself in the sight of the Lord and he lifted me up to know my sincere prayers were answered. I converted. He does this with Catholics every day around the world. It can be done with faith not wavering. Good luck.

One look at this scribe and I give it a pass without bothering to read it.

 

[Cougarbear]

One look at this scribe and I give it a pass without bothering to read it.

The truth sometimes hurts. It’s all true and you know it. Be not like the Scribes and Pharisees. You are better than that.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

They do. From Joseph Smith to the current prophet and apostles today in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As was in the times of Jesus and the ancient apostles, people said exactly the same thing you just did. What did Jesus and the apostles teach to know the truth and not reject the messages of current day apostles and prophets? James 1:5-9 is a good start.

So, I gather you are a Mormon? Or maybe Heaven's Gate?

 

[Meriweather]

The truth sometimes hurts. It’s all true and you know it. Be not like the Scribes and Pharisees. You are better than that.

No, the truth doesn't hurt. The ignorance Mormons have of other faiths/religions is simply boring. That they embrace this ignorance lies somewhere between dull and tedious.

 

[Cougarbear]

So, I gather you are a Mormon? Or maybe Heaven's Gate?

I’m a saint in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Saint” refers to being a member of Christ’s Church as it did 2000 years ago. The RCC changed that and actually made it part of the definition of “apostle” in the acts they did.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I’m a saint in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Saint” refers to being a member of Christ’s Church as it did 2000 years ago. The RCC changed that and actually made it part of the definition of “apostle” in the acts they did.

AKA Mormons. A known huckster of his day who convinced gullible people like Paul did that God showed him where inscribed gold plates were.

The things people are made to believe by others are astounding. Paulk CLAIMS a vision and people eat it up. Joe Smith CLAIMS he was led to gold plates and......................