Zone1 What is Roman Catholicism ??

[Cougarbear]

Other than Paul, who was NOT an apostle anyway, none of the apostles wrote the NT.

Why do you say Paul was not an apostle? The Bible does.

Romans 1:1, "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God."
1Cor. 1:1, "Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother."
Gal. 1:1, "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Galatians is interesting that it shows the Father and Son are separate personages. That, they are not the same personage. I also simply don't understand why you don't think the NT wasn't the words of the apostles? Of course they were. Did they have scribes that possibly put some of what they wrote in a story line. Revelation certainly was John's direct words. The words and thoughts all came from the apostles or Jesus himself.

 

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Cougarbear it's official, you're a religious nutjob.

 

[Cougarbear]

Cougarbear it's official, you're a religious nutjob.

You mean like Jesus and his church in the meridian of time, a cult? I feel humble to be called what Jesus was called.
Matthew 10:22, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." And, there are other scripture saying much the same. Being called names and attacked for saying I have authority to preach the gospel and more than all the Popes and Priests since the founding of the RCC combined is an honor. Thank you.

 

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You mean like Jesus and his church in the meridian of time, a cult? I feel humble to be called what Jesus was called.
Matthew 10:22, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." And, there are other scripture saying much the same. Being called names and attacked for saying I have authority to preach the gospel and more than all the Popes and Priests since the founding of the RCC combined is an honor. Thank you.

No. More like the Pharisees.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Why do you say Paul was not an apostle? The Bible does.

Romans 1:1, "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God."
1Cor. 1:1, "Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother."
Gal. 1:1, "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Galatians is interesting that it shows the Father and Son are separate personages. That, they are not the same personage. I also simply don't understand why you don't think the NT wasn't the words of the apostles? Of course they were. Did they have scribes that possibly put some of what they wrote in a story line. Revelation certainly was John's direct words. The words and thoughts all came from the apostles or Jesus himself.

13 apostles then?

 

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13 apostles then?

14. Jesus initially had 12 apostles who were closely associated with him and whom he selected personally. However, after Judas's death and replacement by Matthias, the number of apostles became 13. Additionally, Paul, who was converted after Jesus's death, is also considered an apostle, bringing the total to 14.

 

[Cougarbear]

No. More like the Pharisees.

Pharisees were part of the Jewish structure. Not a cult. So, as you can see, you aren’t consistent with your comments.

 

[Cougarbear]

13 apostles then?

Could be 13 or 15. The number of apostles isn’t the question. There was a quorum of apostles that was limited to 12. Soon after the Lord’s ascension replacements were called like Matthias. Paul was eventually added even though the Lord did that himself. But, eventually, Peter and others knew this. Paul may have not been in the quorum of the twelve.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

14. Jesus initially had 12 apostles who were closely associated with him and whom he selected personally. However, after Judas's death and replacement by Matthias, the number of apostles became 13. Additionally, Paul, who was converted after Jesus's death, is also considered an apostle, bringing the total to 14.

By no one other than himself.

 

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Pharisees were part of the Jewish structure. Not a cult. So, as you can see, you aren’t consistent with your comments.

They embraced the form of religion instead of God. That's you.

 

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By no one other than himself.

Not according to Paul.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Not according to Paul.

Paul declares he is an apostle. EXTREE! EXTREE! Read all about it. Man claims he is an apostle because he claims he had a vision!! EXTREE!

 

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Paul declares he is an apostle. EXTREE! EXTREE! Read all about it. Man claims he is an apostle because he claims he had a vision!! EXTREE!

The EVIDENCE suggests that not only was Paul an apostle, but one of the key apostles.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The EVIDENCE suggests that not only was Paul an apostle, but one of the key apostles.

As I said, so Sayeth Paul.

 

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As I said, so Sayeth Paul.

So sayeth history. I thought you were supposed to be big on evidence.

 

[Meriweather]

Paul declares he is an apostle. EXTREE! EXTREE! Read all about it. Man claims he is an apostle because he claims he had a vision!! EXTREE!

Hebrew/Greek etymology for the word 'apostle' means one who is sent...a missionary. According to scriptures, Paul was sent to the gentiles--missionary to the gentiles, i.e. Apostle to the gentiles.

 

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Cougarbear

You - by your confession - are no longer an active Catholic. What is it to you what the Catholic Church does?

Do you have faith?

You practice your faith not by believing in your Church but by ridiculing other faiths?

One who truly believes in their faith has no need to make excuses to practice it.

faith and religion are mutually exclusive Ace

~S~

 

[Paradoxical#1]

So sayeth history. I thought you were supposed to be big on evidence.

History?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Hebrew/Greek etymology for the word 'apostle' means one who is sent...a missionary. According to scriptures, Paul was sent to the gentiles--missionary to the gentiles, i.e. Apostle to the gentiles.

What scripture?

 

[Cougarbear]

By no one other than himself.

That’s the way it usually is by definition. Same with all the prophets of the OT. Since prophets are apostles by definition, receiving direction directly from God, then Paul fits perfectly. Peter accepted him as well.