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OK asshole quote the post where I said any such thingYep..you think any insane fucker should be allowed to buy as many guns and bullets as they want.
This is the Rose Bowl...100,000 people.
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According to you, this many people defended themselves with a gun last year.
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Didn't happen.
OK asshole quote the post where I said any such thing
When you can't will you admit to being a lying sack of shit?
This is all you have right. This is the limit of your fucking intelligence that you have to make shit up because you have no cogent arguments whatsoever.
These idiots always devolve into childishness.That is all the left/anti-gun extremists have, since facts, truth and reality are completely in opposition to the fantasies in their heads....
You keep trotting out the "stat". Are you saying you don't believe there was this many shoot outs last year?Not according to me....according to all of these private and public researchers....including the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice.....you know, the various sects of your god, "The Government."
A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense
GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)
2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.
CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million
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Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)
Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)
Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)
Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])
Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer
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Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
2021 national firearms survey..
The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey
Clinton's study by the DOJ....
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.
n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last
While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli
While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.
Obama's study...
Defensive Use of Guns
Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.
Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press
And idiots like you think no one ever uses a gun in self defense.Just as a point of reference....
I'm in my 50's.
Remember this is 100,000 people.
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According to the gun nuts...this many people have defended themselves with a gun in the US in my lifetime.
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Actually, that isn't the case...what you see above is only 25M people....they claim that twice that many had to go to the mattresses. Clearly they are full of shit. Few people have ever had to defend themselves with a gun.
You keep trotting out the "stat". Are you saying you don't believe there was this many shoot outs last year?
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Just as a point of reference....
I'm in my 50's.
Remember this is 100,000 people.
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According to the gun nuts...this many people have defended themselves with a gun in the US in my lifetime.
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Actually, that isn't the case...what you see above is only 25M people....they claim that twice that many had to go to the mattresses. Clearly they are full of shit. Few people have ever had to defend themselves with a gun.
Any research will show, that trying to get a precise state on gun defense is hard to narrow down. But it does happen, and there are some stats on it, but most research admits that the results are fuzzy at best. Peruse Youtube for 20 mins and you'll find many many videos of guns used in self defense in the U.S. but also in other countries.Just as a point of reference....
I'm in my 50's.
Remember this is 100,000 people.
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According to the gun nuts...this many people have defended themselves with a gun in the US in my lifetime.
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Actually, that isn't the case...what you see above is only 25M people....they claim that twice that many had to go to the mattresses. Clearly they are full of shit. Few people have ever had to defend themselves with a gun.
Any research will show, that trying to get a precise state on gun defense is hard to narrow down. But it does happen, and there are some stats on it, but most research admits that the results are fuzzy at best. Peruse Youtube for 20 mins and you'll find many many videos of guns used in self defense in the U.S. but also in other countries.
You are either an idiot or are being deliberately obtuse. Defensive used of a weapon (firearm, knife, sword, whatever) doesn't mean attacking anyone. I have used a weapon to defend against a criminal without anyone being injured and I didn't even bother to report it. When I was in the Army Reserves, I was in uniform guarding our vehicles in a bad area of Los Angeles, a criminal, probably a gang member based upon the tattoos came up to me, pulled a switchblade and demanded my money. I then pulled my own knife and he immediately backed off saying "I don't want no trouble man, put the knife away" and left as quickly as he could. That is a classic case of using a weapon for self-defense. No one was harmed but the criminal was deterred.You keep trotting out the "stat". Are you saying you don't believe there was this many shoot outs last year?
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I've used a gun for self defense and have never shot anyone.One moment you're saying you need it for self defence, then in the same breath 99.99% of gun owners never shot anyone. Your own argument supports the Harvard study that gun self defence is a fallacy, and you've just proven that fact.
No need to stand beside anyone armed.
Don't worry, as a debate doesn't go a gun nuts way, I'm expecting deflections from the list of gun clichés.
Nope... You're just making the point that babes like guns.Struck a nerve didn’t I Skippy?
So in my lifetime 50M+ people had to draw their gun to stop someone?Who said shoot outs, you dumb clod.
Self defense with a gun does not mean it was a shoot out. What it can mean is the criminal attacks, the victim presents their gun and the criminal runs away, surrenders, and rarely has to be shot to be stopped. You truly are dense.
And of those criminals shot each year, only about 235 are killed by the victim with their legal gun......
I notice that you are ignoring my real world, personal example. Somehow, that doesn’t surprise me.So in my lifetime 50M+ people had to draw their gun to stop someone?
Really? You’ve never done it. You don’t know anyone who has ever done it. And you likely don’t know anyone who knows anyone who has ever done it. But somehow you firmly believe that a population the size of California has had to do it.
Yeah...and you’re calling me a “dumb clod”.
So in my lifetime 50M+ people had to draw their gun to stop someone?
Really? You’ve never done it. You don’t know anyone who has ever done it. And you likely don’t know anyone who knows anyone who has ever done it. But somehow you firmly believe that a population the size of California has had to do it.
Yeah...and you’re calling me a “dumb clod”.
Gun owners fantasySo in my lifetime 50M+ people had to draw their gun to stop someone?
Really? You’ve never done it. You don’t know anyone who has ever done it. And you likely don’t know anyone who knows anyone who has ever done it. But somehow you firmly believe that a population the size of California has had to do it.
Yeah...and you’re calling me a “dumb clod”.
