At The Gun Range

[Failzero]

Retro Rimfires ( XM177E2 / XM177E1)

 

[JohnDB]

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Retro Rimfires ( XM177E2 / XM177E1)

You got some mighty nice looking guns.

Might need to take them out and fire them.
JIC....

 

[Failzero]

You got some mighty nice looking guns.

Might need to take them out and fire them.
JIC....

So busy building and procuring parts ( Latest builds are Philippine Contract Remington R4 clone , and an early XM4 test variant )

 

[JohnDB]

Only like $249. That way you can have simultaneously firing competitors....and get em quick because if your buddy can fire three times....he might get one of yours.

 

[Failzero]

Finding variants of the AR15 / M16 Platform has gotten tough , I’m really reaching with the Philippine Contract Remington R4 ( I’ve already built 3-5 XM4 Clones in both Centerfire and Rimfire )

 

[JohnDB]

Finding variants of the AR15 / M16 Platform has gotten tough , I’m really reaching with the Philippine Contract Remington R4 ( I’ve already built 3-5 XM4 Clones in both Centerfire and Rimfire )

What type of receivers are you using?

With a machine shop you can make just about anything else you need.

Machining out all the various add on parts is fairly simple (if you know how to machine parts and have a knee mill and lathe)

Receivers though? Can't machine them....the ATF will come a knocking for that. Most everything else though can be fabricated. Also....noise suppression devices. Not allowed YET.
But there's always hope. It's been made a bill. We'll see.
Then some great designs can be made and used for noise suppression.

 

[Failzero]

What type of receivers are you using?

With a machine shop you can make just about anything else you need.

Machining out all the various add on parts is fairly simple (if you know how to machine parts and have a knee mill and lathe)

Receivers though? Can't machine them....the ATF will come a knocking for that. Most everything else though can be fabricated. Also....noise suppression devices. Not allowed YET.
But there's always hope. It's been made a bill. We'll see.
Then some great designs can be made and used for noise suppression.

I can get clone correct Retro Lowers from many sources ( PSA ) / (Bad Attitude) and others via my favorite FFL , uppers , and other items are not controlled and I can actually get real deal parts for better builds

 

[Failzero]

Finding variants of the AR15 / M16 Platform has gotten tough , I’m really reaching with the Philippine Contract Remington R4 ( I’ve already built 3-5 XM4 Clones in both Centerfire and Rimfire )

I’m not into SBR or Cans , and most of my focus is Military Firearms of the second half of the 20th Century

 

[MarcATL]

Usually there's an employee or two or three who can get the rookies up to speed on. how to handle the firearms OP.

They should be available while you guys were shooting.

Was that not an option?

 

[JohnDB]

Usually there's an employee or two or three who can get the rookies up to speed on. how to handle the firearms OP.

They should be available while you guys were shooting.

Was that not an option?

They really weren't doing that. Two young guys working the counter...looking as new as they come to their job. One old geezer that knew what he was doing that could barely walk from one counter stool to another.

So....it really wasn't all that with assistance. The range itself had "bullet proof" glass windows you could see into the range with. But where everyone was shooting wasn't so easy to see into. It kept down on the noise in the lobby area.

Like I said....next time we are heading to the farm with above skeet thrower and a couple bales of hay and a pad of targets.

We will feel a LOT more comfortable about those we are shooting around.

 

[MarcATL]

They really weren't doing that. Two young guys working the counter...looking as new as they come to their job. One old geezer that knew what he was doing that could barely walk from one counter stool to another.

So....it really wasn't all that with assistance. The range itself had "bullet proof" glass windows you could see into the range with. But where everyone was shooting wasn't so easy to see into. It kept down on the noise in the lobby area.

Like I said....next time we are heading to the farm with above skeet thrower and a couple bales of hay and a pad of targets.

We will feel a LOT more comfortable about those we are shooting around.

You probably can plan for that assistance next time.

That said, glad everything went off w/o a hitch.

 

[Zincwarrior]

100 rounds through a handgun is an ordinary day at the range. Hardly a cause for celebration.

100 rounds is a wasted trip.

 

[JohnDB]

100 rounds is a wasted trip.

Next time we go....
We are gonna be at war with them skeet.

KILL THE SKEET

I don't know how many rounds we'll blow through to kill two cases of skeet....maybe three.
DIE SKEET DIE!!!!

Then there will be targets on hay bales needing hole punched. And them hay bales need a hefty application of leadocillin.

so....
Despite Google trying to make my life difficult....
I have found a place to buy Firearms at. Walmart quit I think....I'll look again later this week. My dad needs a shotgun and so does my FIL.
FIL broke his semi 12 GA. Uggghhhh....
So we might concede to get him a pump action for Christmas if he behaves himself.

Wife's. Over/under 20 GA for competition trap meets. I used to have a 20 side-by-side....but my uncle got it and sold it when grandpa died. I woulda bought it if I knew his plans. But he kept that secret. Didn't let anyone know.

Crap happens.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Mortimer]

I was at the shooting range for my birthday two years ago it was supervised by a instructor and he had the firearms and munitions with him

It was fun

 

[new wave liberal]

(The waiver was a PITA but understandable.

I haven't been at a range in a few years. I know that waivers are becoming more common for various activities (e.g., gym membership). I don't remember a waiver the last time I went shooting (unless it was some implicit thing).

Do you know if your waiver is new?
Also, is your waiver the common, standard legal language? For example, does it say that everyone connected with the business is faultless for "ordinary negligence?"

I know that many many judges will declare many waivers null & void. This does not however, preclude businesses from using the exact same waiver that remains unchanged. For example, a man won a lawsuit against a Vermont ski business when the waiver was voided. I can't remember the exact reason--perhaps it was the common public interest declaration or maybe it was declared unconscionable.

Anyway, the ski resort lost the case, but they continue--to this day--to use the same waiver. I read a legal paper from Vanderbilt U and they conclude that businesses use the same waiver with no language change because many people are intimidated to believe they can't file a lawsuit.

As for me, I decline many waivers and won't do business with a business that has them. I will however, go to a baseball game, knowing that I fully assume the risk of foul balls and splintered bats. I know the ballgame waivers cover many other things, but I don't worry about that.

Okay, I got off track, but just was typing away.

 

[new wave liberal]

As far as skeet--I've done a little with a 20 gauge. It's basically how I learned. I couldn't hit anything at first, but then it clicked. That's how I learned a lot of things.

Later, I was looking at .45 derringers from Bond Arms. I wanted to get one and do .410 with skeet. They were ~$400 when I looked at them. I think they are now around $700. I think they were actually more not too long ago, but I can't imagine they went down. Maybe I got that wrong.

 

[new wave liberal]

As far as air rifles and pistols. I once had a CO2 Walther pistol. The BBs starting falling out after about one month of use. I sent it back. They paid the return shipping. It took a little longer for the thing to start fouling up again the same way. It might have been too late to return it. Total piece of crap.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So,
We had an outing yesterday at a gun range for the family to celebrate a birthday.

Lots of fun to be had there. We rented guns and bought ammunition and brought our own guns and ammo.
Everything was very reasonably priced. (The waiver was a PITA but understandable.

There was only one detractor....

There were some younger gentlemen there who had ZERO experience with Firearms, handguns or how to safely behave around them. And that made us ALL a bit nervous. Because you didn't know what they were going to do next. Whether they knew proper policing of the gun loaded or unloaded. How to assure those around you that you were being careful.

But otherwise....it was a BLAST. My father and I blew through 80+ rounds ourselves. My wife and her father blew through at least 100 rounds through two pistols. All total the cost was around $130.

We killed the targets. They died honorable, but holy, deaths.

Afterwards we all decided to get a skeet launcher and we all are shopping for one now. (I already got a case of skeet)
We just had too much fun to not do this again soon.

If any of you had similar experiences or more fun experiences at indoor ranges feel free to tell us about it. Did you rent a gun you wanted to purchase? Is it better to visit a place you can "try before you buy"?

My octogenarian father brought his .45. Where I found it to be a great handgun he feels like it's too much for him. And I somewhat agree. Getting that second shot off quickly is not happening with a .45. No double tap happening with that one whatsoever. But considering the stopping power of a .45....probably unnecessary unless you miss the first shot.

I downloaded a game (illegally) that allows you to run around shooting guns. It's much cheaper.

 

[JohnDB]

I haven't been at a range in a few years. I know that waivers are becoming more common for various activities (e.g., gym membership). I don't remember a waiver the last time I went shooting (unless it was some implicit thing).

Do you know if your waiver is new?
Also, is your waiver the common, standard legal language? For example, does it say that everyone connected with the business is faultless for "ordinary negligence?"

I know that many many judges will declare many waivers null & void. This does not however, preclude businesses from using the exact same waiver that remains unchanged. For example, a man won a lawsuit against a Vermont ski business when the waiver was voided. I can't remember the exact reason--perhaps it was the common public interest declaration or maybe it was declared unconscionable.

Anyway, the ski resort lost the case, but they continue--to this day--to use the same waiver. I read a legal paper from Vanderbilt U and they conclude that businesses use the same waiver with no language change because many people are intimidated to believe they can't file a lawsuit.

As for me, I decline many waivers and won't do business with a business that has them. I will however, go to a baseball game, knowing that I fully assume the risk of foul balls and splintered bats. I know the ballgame waivers cover many other things, but I don't worry about that.

Okay, I got off track, but just was typing away.

It was like the instructions for setting up ladders....full of the dumbest things like shell casings are hot and can cause burns, I will take responsibility for damaging the range in any fashion by being deliberately stupid and shooting lights and windows. That sort of thing.
It was done on my cell phone after scanning a QR code.

A simple pump shotgun isn't too expensive. The automatics are what get expensive. They really haven't gone up too much in price. What has gone up are the ones fitted out to be a tactical weapon. Those are over $1k.
Not what any of us skeet shooting are looking for. Some can hold a whole box of ammo at a time.
Used to be you could only hold 3 shells at a time in a shotgun. I guess they got rid of that law. Dunno.
Firearm regulations are nuts in how they change constantly and the severity of punishments for violating them.

I'm kinda a simple guy....just go hunting and target shooting. Not looking to get involved in a shooting or run afoul of the law. I get excited about a new tool just the same as a new gun. But the tools have fewer laws and registrations.