What is driving this trade war?

[iamwhatiseem]

Like Putin invading Ukraine, Trump thought everyone would immediately fold like a cheap suit for him.

Autocrats are always given bad information by craven sycophants who afraid to challenge them, and end up making bad decisions based on that bad information.

Haha - deflecting back to a more defensible position.
Hilarious. So predictable.

 

[sealybobo]

Actually, what that shows is that small amounts can make a big difference.


Like you said, Florida is having trouble finding the workers it needs.

That leads to pressure to drive up wages.


A few kids aren't going to stop that.

Why are we having a trade war with China? Do we want those jobs to come home or not? So don't start a war with China. Bring the jobs you want back home, HOME.

Great example. Instead of this announcement

Trump threatens to end pharmaceuticals tariff exemption​

to

Trump ends pharmaceuticals tariff exemption.​

And how about set up shop here at home before you do this so it doesn't jack up the price or cause shortages or panic. Maybe we need someone a lot smarter running things?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Why are we having a trade war with China? Do we want those jobs to come home or not? So don't start a war with China. Bring the jobs you want back home, HOME.

Great example. Instead of this announcement

Trump threatens to end pharmaceuticals tariff exemption​

to

Trump ends pharmaceuticals tariff exemption.​

And how about set up shop here at home before you do this so it doesn't jack up the price or cause shortages or panic. Maybe we need someone a lot smarter running things?

There are many more reasons than just the jobs.
China was given total and complete access to the American markets. Despite the fact they cheat in every way possible. Break every single international trade agreements on a DAILY basis.
They steal IP - literally - everyday. They steal products right from under American companies, rebrand it and sell it for 30% - 40% less and our government has done NOTHING. All because they themselves make money off of it with their investments.
Seriously - educate yourself on China and economics.
If you do - I 100% believe you will be looking at this in a VERY different way.

 

[j-mac]

What is the one (1) consistent common denominator in virtually ALL of Trump's relationships? The ONE thing he will ALWAYS complain about?

It's about how he is "treated". If he feels he has not been "treated" well enough, he gets angry and acts out. This is something that is happening in his head alone. He is the one who decides on the spot if he's being "treated" well enough. If not, here we go.

So in this case, he has obviously felt for decades that he has somehow been taken advantage of by other countries. That they're getting the better of him somehow. So now he's responding in the only way he knows: He's attacking without looking at a bigger picture. He attacks, sees that the results are bad, and then changes course.

I know that Trump's fans think that they'll see a clear, tangible and material difference in their lives once Trump has exacted his revenge on all those countries. The sad thing here is, on balance, they will not. There are larger issues that influence the vector of an economy.

Simple question…why shouldn’t trade between the US and other countries be fair?

 

[leftwinger]

There are many more reasons than just the jobs.
China was given total and complete access to the American markets. Despite the fact they cheat in every way possible. Break every single international trade agreements on a DAILY basis.
They steal IP - literally - everyday. They steal products right from under American companies, rebrand it and sell it for 30% - 40% less and our government has done NOTHING. All because they themselves make money off of it with their investments.
Seriously - educate yourself on China and economics.
If you do - I 100% believe you will be looking at this in a VERY different way.

No he won't. Even seeing the collapse in DET first hand did nothing to the old blue dog 1960s' union booster closed deep statist mind. He "just likes to argue" as the USA sinks all around him.

 

[GMCGeneral]

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! China has been stealing intellectual Property since the 70s; you are just a lying freak!!!

Greg

You can thank Nixon for that one.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

No he won't. Even seeing the collapse in DET first hand did nothing to the old blue dog 1960s' union booster closed deep statist mind. He "just likes to argue" as the USA sinks all around him.

Well if he is a "60s union booster" and is ignorant of why China is so successful and does it by theft and slave labor - but hopes they win???

 

[sealybobo]

There are many more reasons than just the jobs.
China was given total and complete access to the American markets. Despite the fact they cheat in every way possible. Break every single international trade agreements on a DAILY basis.
They steal IP - literally - everyday. They steal products right from under American companies, rebrand it and sell it for 30% - 40% less and our government has done NOTHING. All because they themselves make money off of it with their investments.
Seriously - educate yourself on China and economics.
If you do - I 100% believe you will be looking at this in a VERY different way.

I know all this. I don't need the education. Trump needs an education on logistics because moving all these jobs home is going to take a BIG Brain. Can't be done overnight and NO ONE would do it this way.

You guys like to say Trump would have gotten us out of Afghanistan better than Joe did? Today I seriously doubt that. It would have been a cluster fuck based on Trump 2.0

 

[sealybobo]

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! China has been stealing intellectual Property since the 70s; you are just a lying freak!!!

Greg

Because your justification yesterday doesn't make sense, now it's about intellectual property? This seems like the the Iraq war where the mission kept changing when the last one no longer made any sense.

Trump: 'China Has Respect For Trump's Very, Very Large Brain'​

Clearly the Chinese know how to deal with Trump. They know the right things to say.

Mexico's President knows how to deal with him too

Last month, with the U.S. and Mexico on the brink of a trade war, she managed to persuade Trump, during a 45-minute phone call, to delay imposing tariffs. Afterward, Trump said he “had a great talk with Mexico” and called Sheinbaum “a woman I like very much.”

He's a big baby

And with her sexy accident?

 

[leftwinger]

I know all this. I don't need the education. Trump needs an education on logistics because moving all these jobs home is going to take a BIG Brain. Can't be done overnight and NO ONE would do it this way.

You guys like to say Trump would have gotten us out of Afghanistan better than Joe did? Today I seriously doubt that. It would have been a cluster fuck based on Trump 2.0

Moving what jobs? We have factories and MFG sites now. They can't sell cars or heavy equipment because foreign countries make American good unaffordable you dumb OX. Those sites could be expanding, giving high paid jobs/training to youth.

 

[Dragonlady]

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! China has been stealing intellectual Property since the 70s; you are just a lying freak!!!

Greg

Yes, we know that. But this didn't work last time Trump tried it and it won't work this time either.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Electing the worst economic failure of a President in history to a second term after 6 bankruptcies, 2 impeachments, and multiple felony convictions, and expecting a good economic outcome is the very definition of insanity.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I know all this. I don't need the education. Trump needs an education on logistics because moving all these jobs home is going to take a BIG Brain. Can't be done overnight and NO ONE would do it this way.

You guys like to say Trump would have gotten us out of Afghanistan better than Joe did? Today I seriously doubt that. It would have been a cluster fuck based on Trump 2.0

You are missing the point.
Trump is all alone on this. All of Congress is 100% bought and paid for by people who do NOT want the China gravy train to end. Why else do you think no one does anything about China cheating all the time??????? Democrats too buddy!! You think Pelosi and Schumer don't cash in off of Chinese slave labor?? Why do you think they only talk about it when the other party is on power? And never bring it up when they are in power?
Trump is doing this so extensively because he knows he can't count on a SINGLE congress person to back him up. Not one will do so. If he took it slow and easy - NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. They would do what they have done for the past 25 years - NOTHING.
You simply cannot be this blind unless you choose to

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What is the one (1) consistent common denominator in virtually ALL of Trump's relationships? The ONE thing he will ALWAYS complain about?

It's about how he is "treated". If he feels he has not been "treated" well enough, he gets angry and acts out. This is something that is happening in his head alone. He is the one who decides on the spot if he's being "treated" well enough. If not, here we go.

So in this case, he has obviously felt for decades that he has somehow been taken advantage of by other countries. That they're getting the better of him somehow. So now he's responding in the only way he knows: He's attacking without looking at a bigger picture. He attacks, sees that the results are bad, and then changes course.

I know that Trump's fans think that they'll see a clear, tangible and material difference in their lives once Trump has exacted his revenge on all those countries. The sad thing here is, on balance, they will not. There are larger issues that influence the vector of an economy.

Janet Yelling? That's like asking Hannibal Lecter for cooking tips!

 

[Dragonlady]

Moving what jobs? We have factories and MFG sites now. They can't sell cars or heavy equipment because foreign countries make American good unaffordable you dumb OX. Those sites could be expanding, giving high paid jobs/training to youth.

Nobody is "giving" Americans training. You have to pay for it out of your own pocket. For the rest of your life. You can't make American-made goods affordable, and give American workers a living wage. Are you really willing to pay $30 for a T-shirt? Thousands of dollars for an iPhone?

You have empty buildings, and no infrastructure to support them. Companies are not going to invest millions of dollars to move manufacturing to the USA, train workers, and establish their companies, only to have Trump tear up their trade agreements next year.

Why not focus on training your own workers and rebuilding your infrastructure, instead of blaming other countries for the mistakes of the American government in general and the Republican Party in particular.

During his last Administration, manufacturing lost over 200,000 jobs. Off-shoring continued unabated. Carrier still moved all of those jobs to Mexico even after Trump gave them all those tax breaks to stay.

We still don't know what Trump's end game is. If it's to move jobs back to the USA, Trump's election already caused all kinds of green energy companies to halt all plans for investments and jobs, and Trump cancelled all of the funding for these companies. Trump keeps trying to take your economy backwards - coal, tariff's, fossil fuels, instead of seeing the opportunities for growth and profit in the 21st Century Global economy. The Guilded Age was only good for the wealthy. The Post War New Deal economics were good for the middle class and working people.

 

[sealybobo]

You are missing the point.
Trump is all alone on this. All of Congress is 100% bought and paid for by people who do NOT want the China gravy train to end. Why else do you think no one does anything about China cheating all the time??????? Democrats too buddy!! You think Pelosi and Schumer don't cash in off of Chinese slave labor?? Why do you think they only talk about it when the other party is on power? And never bring it up when they are in power?
Trump is doing this so extensively because he knows he can't count on a SINGLE congress person to back him up. Not one will do so. If he took it slow and easy - NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. They would do what they have done for the past 25 years - NOTHING.
You simply cannot be this blind unless you choose to

By allowing Trump to do this the GOP don't have to take the blame from their constituents. Their constituents care about their 401K's. So in a way, they have us all by the balls including Trump. You can't say the Globalists aren't with Trump they are standing by and not standing up to him. Mike Johnson is the head of the Deep State. Mitch is in charge of the Globalists. When they are really upset they'll tell Trump to stop. They told him to stop yesterday didn't they?

Life was fine for most of us. Life IS fine for most of us. Everything's "cool". Be cool. We don't need to bring everything home. Just vital industries. We told you this back when you were pressuring Clinton to sign NAFTA. Now listen to us. Not everything needs to be made in America but certain industries are VITAL to us having a strong middle class. You know who didn't care? The corporations and Republicans. In the 2000's they sent millions of high paying manufacturing jobs to China and Mexico while Republicans on USMB attacked union workers.

I said Bush was giving companies going overseas Tax Breaks for leaving. Republicans on USMB said prove it. He sure as hell wasn't threatening to tariff them if they left.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

By allowing Trump to do this the GOP don't have to take the blame from their constituents. Their constituents care about their 401K's. So in a way, they have us all by the balls including Trump. You can't say the Globalists aren't with Trump they are standing by and not standing up to him. Mike Johnson is the head of the Deep State. Mitch is in charge of the Globalists. When they are really upset they'll tell Trump to stop. They told him to stop yesterday didn't they?

Life was fine for most of us. Life IS fine for most of us. Everything's "cool". Be cool. We don't need to bring everything home. Just vital industries. We told you this back when you were pressuring Clinton to sign NAFTA. Now listen to us. Not everything needs to be made in America but certain industries are VITAL to us having a strong middle class. You know who didn't care? The corporations and Republicans. In the 2000's they sent millions of high paying manufacturing jobs to China and Mexico while Republicans on USMB attacked union workers.

I said Bush was giving companies going overseas Tax Breaks for leaving. Republicans on USMB said prove it. He sure as hell wasn't threatening to tariff them if they left.

That is all short sided.
Americans will be cheering the shit out of this man if Trump gets the EU to agree to zero tariffs, which looks like it is going to happen, and forces China to comply with international law and stop stealing from us. This will send the markets to 50,000.
100%.
Democrats couldn't get elected as a dog catcher if that happens. And you guys will be remembered as the party that fought it all the way.

 

[leftwinger]

During his last Administration, manufacturing lost over 200,000 jobs. Off-shoring continued unabated. Carrier still moved all of those jobs to Mexico even after Trump gave them all those tax breaks to stay.

Pure BS on jobs. Man made flu shutdown by deep state caused all distress of course. Carrier was State issue in IND? I dont remember.

Big picture. Companies suffer now on unfair trade deals. I dont give a rats butt on a t-shirt right now.

 

[leftwinger]

By allowing Trump to do this the GOP don't have to take the blame from their constituents. Their constituents care about their 401K's. So in a way, they have us all by the balls including Trump. You can't say the Globalists aren't with Trump they are standing by and not standing up to him. Mike Johnson is the head of the Deep State. Mitch is in charge of the Globalists. When they are really upset they'll tell Trump to stop. They told him to stop yesterday didn't they?

Life was fine for most of us. Life IS fine for most of us. Everything's "cool". Be cool. We don't need to bring everything home. Just vital industries. We told you this back when you were pressuring Clinton to sign NAFTA. Now listen to us. Not everything needs to be made in America but certain industries are VITAL to us having a strong middle class. You know who didn't care? The corporations and Republicans. In the 2000's they sent millions of high paying manufacturing jobs to China and Mexico while Republicans on USMB attacked union workers.

I said Bush was giving companies going overseas Tax Breaks for leaving. Republicans on USMB said prove it. He sure as hell wasn't threatening to tariff them if they left.

Stupid OX life was not fine with deep state $38T missing. $28T since 09' change is required.

 

[bendog]

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! China has been stealing intellectual Property since the 70s; you are just a lying freak!!!

Greg

And trump's results were as good as biden's.

Time for "door no. 3" and if AOC is behind we're fucked.

 

[cnm]

It starts at the 1:00 mark.

The first set of Trump's sycophants.

Mel Brooks did it ages ago...