Zone1 What Is All This "Christian Nation" Stuff?

[Donald H]

Well, maybe some Catholics can weigh in.

No need for any Catholics, thelr message is approved by their church and they've bought into it.

It goes like: The god created everything but they're allowed to accept Darwinian evolution. Works for them! LOL

You can read a few long paragraphs of weasel words, in their Catechism but it just ends up being the same thing.

The trouble is, it doesn't work for any moderately intelligent person and that's why they're here still trying to make it work.

 

[Woodznutz]

Can you provide any such video?
It would be exciting.

I don't think churches make videos of such actions, although in most cases a public announcement is made to the congregation.

 

[Woodznutz]

No need for any Catholics, thelr message is approved by their church and they've bought into it.

It goes like: The god created everything but they're allowed to accept Darwinian evolution. Works for them! LOL

You can read a few long paragraphs of weasel words, in their Catechism but it just ends up being the same thing.

The trouble is, it doesn't work for any moderately intelligent person and that's why they're here still trying to make it work.

Most churches don't cross examine their members for differences in such beliefs, especially biblical events that could be either metaphors or actual history.

I've been in many discussions with other members who had different opinions on many biblical subjects. One pastor admitted that some in the church likely knew more about certain subjects than he did due to in-depth studies that he simply didn't have the time to do.

And, if a questionable comment was made by a pastor during a sermon, he would soon find himself surrounded by studious members questioning the accuracy of the comment.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Sooooo......what are the questions they ask at the door before they let worshippers in?

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This is easy in the cases of Catholics and Lutherans. They must be catechized, or taught.

I was warmly welcomed to Mass every time that I went, but not until it was ascertained that I was adequately catechized was I offered the Sacraments, or full fellowship in the church. And depending on the particular church or parish, Catechism can be rigorous. For those raised in the church, especially before Vatican II, it could take twelve years -- 1st grade through high school.

Used to be that the entire Mass was only open to the confirmed Catholics. At a certain point in the Mass, all the catechumens, or students, or those of unconfirmed status, had to leave the church. These days, anyone seeking conversion is welcomed to every part of the Mass short of the Sacraments -- Baptism, Confession, Confirmation, Holy Communion, Holy Matrimony, Ordination and Anointing of the Sick.

Before I was Confirmed, I did many of the things that are associated with Catholicism -- making the Sign of the Cross and praying the Rosary, most frequently.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Most churches don't cross examine their members for differences in such beliefs, especially biblical events that could be either metaphors or actual history.

I've been in many discussions with other members who had different opinions on many biblical subjects. One pastor admitted that some in the church likely knew more about certain subjects than he did due to in-depth studies that he simply didn't have the time to do.

And, if a questionable comment was made by a pastor during a sermon, he would soon find himself surrounded by studious members questioning the accuracy of the comment.

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This sounds very much like our priest. He often confesses that he is ignorant of a given subject, and welcomes anyone to come to a weekly adult discussion group, where they could bring their comments and curiosities regarding the church. Here, he frequently admitted that one of the students was more informed about a particular issue than was he.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

No need for any Catholics, thelr message is approved by their church and they've bought into it.

It goes like: The god created everything but they're allowed to accept Darwinian evolution. Works for them! LOL

You can read a few long paragraphs of weasel words, in their Catechism but it just ends up being the same thing.

The trouble is, it doesn't work for any moderately intelligent person and that's why they're here still trying to make it work.

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Thanks for sharing your opinion.




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[PoliticalChic]

I don't think churches make videos of such actions, although in most cases a public announcement is made to the congregation.

So you are claiming that these exclusions take place.

You might want to simply apologize.

 

[Donald H]

Ding says the god lied:

Exodus didn't happen as described, God didn't really bring about a great flood to wipe out humanity......

Christians who are literal believers now have the Catholics backsliding on the bibles too.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

So you are claiming that these exclusions take place.

You might want to simply apologize.

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I used to have a friend who was a Jehovah's Witness, who explained the shunning process, and it's pretty much just like that. Ditto for my mother in law whose sister joined the same organization. A lot of public humiliation in front of the whole congregation.


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[PoliticalChic]

Ding says the god lied:

Christians who are literal believers now have the Catholics backsliding on the bibles too.

Speaking of "believers," let's remind all of your beliefs:

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You were praising mass slaughter as the way to improving the economy of a nation….
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Would you mind repeating what you said here, that banning speech is freedom?
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[Woodznutz]

So you are claiming that these exclusions take place.

You might want to simply apologize.

"Exclusion" isn't exactly the proper term.

Disfellowshipping, shunning, excommunication, are common. The Southern Baptist Convention just disfellowshipped seven entire churches from their membership.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Exclusion" isn't exactly the proper term.

Disfellowshipping, shunning, excommunication, are common. The Southern Baptist Convention just disfellowshipped seven entire churches from their membership.

MSN

www.msn.com

And those velvet ropes that kept folks out???? Yup.....I recall that.....and you had to have your name on a clipboard to get in.....

Oh, wait......those were Discos.....

 

[BreezeWood]

Disfellowshipping, shunning, excommunication, are common.

and that is you who claims mary magdalene is not a heavenly exemplar ... good luck with your "Disfellowshipping, shunning and excommunication".

- just maybe such that the crucifiers abide by will be their own destiny as by their own prescription. as taught by jesus.

 

[PeterPilot]

PoliticalChic

With all due respect, your post is not persuasive. It is true and accurate in the details, but it is not persuasive. Besides the First Amendment which requires the government to be neutral in religious matters, there is the last sentence of Article VI : " ...but no religious test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

The founders recognized that religious zealotry is always a factor when organized religion is involved. Several of the founders considered themselves to be Deists.

Your bit about Year Of Our Lord is almost comical. That term has been used many times throughout history. It is not a statement of faith, it is simply to delineate with dates either before Christ or after him.

 

[Woodznutz]

and that is you who claims mary magdalene is not a heavenly exemplar ... good luck with your "Disfellowshipping, shunning and excommunication".

- just maybe such that the crucifiers abide by will be their own destiny as by their own prescription. as taught by jesus.

Mary M was not disfellowshipped, shunned, or excommunicated from Jesus's circle. Neither was she a pillar of virtue. She had what Jesus desired, faith and humility.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PoliticalChic

With all due respect, your post is not persuasive. It is true and accurate in the details, but it is not persuasive. Besides the First Amendment which requires the government to be neutral in religious matters, there is the last sentence of Article VI : " ...but no religious test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

The founders recognized that religious zealotry is always a factor when organized religion is involved. Several of the founders considered themselves to be Deists.

Your bit about Year Of Our Lord is almost comical. That term has been used many times throughout history. It is not a statement of faith, it is simply to delineate with dates either before Christ or after him.

My post is correct and accurate in every aspect.

It states that the nation was Founded by Bible believing Christians.

Read more carefully.


"Your bit about Year Of Our Lord is almost comical. That term has been used many times throughout history. "
You have identified yourself as a government school grad.

Can you show where the phrase was used in China in "history"???

Or Muslim nations?

Try not to sound like a dunce.

 

[PeterPilot]

My post is correct and accurate in every aspect.

It states that the nation was Founded by Bible believing Christians.

Read more carefully.


"Your bit about Year Of Our Lord is almost comical. That term has been used many times throughout history. "
You have identified yourself as a government school grad.

Can you show where the phrase was used in China in "history"???

Or Muslim nations?

Try not to sound like a dunce.

Your post is correct and accurate, yes. The trouble is the conclusion you reach from those facts.

Having just escaped the tyranny of The Church Of England, many or most were aware of the tyranny under organized (in this case Christian) religion. They wanted to avoid that in the New World by keeping the government NEUTRAL in religious matters. Do you understand that?

 

[BreezeWood]

Mary M was not disfellowshipped, shunned, or excommunicated from Jesus's circle. Neither was she a pillar of virtue. She had what Jesus desired, faith and humility.

the four are heavenly chosen exemplars for their 1st century example the repudiation of judaism by those not afraid of moses and their false 10 commandments as the heavens so verified through them those commandments never existed than as deceptions from moses and anyone else that would use them.

mary m is a heavenly pillar - read that into your christian bible as properly choreographed than the evils of paterfamilias, abraham's rejection of the heavens or remain the crucifier you represent.

“Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him ...

they like the liar moses defied the heavens and took the life of an innocent sheep in the name of the heavens instead.

no wonder nutz worships those who defy the heavens than the heavenly.

 

[Woodznutz]

the four are heavenly chosen exemplars for their 1st century example the repudiation of judaism by those not afraid of moses and their false 10 commandments as the heavens so verified through them those commandments never existed than as deceptions from moses and anyone else that would use them.

mary m is a heavenly pillar - read that into your christian bible as properly choreographed than the evils of paterfamilias, abraham's rejection of the heavens or remain the crucifier you represent.



they like the liar moses defied the heavens and took the life of an innocent sheep in the name of the heavens instead.

no wonder nutz worships those who defy the heavens than the heavenly.

God was testing Abraham, and would have resurrected Isaac on the spot if Abraham had actually killed him. Recall that Isaac was a type of Christ whom God resurrected.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your post is correct and accurate, yes. The trouble is the conclusion you reach from those facts.

Having just escaped the tyranny of The Church Of England, many or most were aware of the tyranny under organized (in this case Christian) religion. They wanted to avoid that in the New World by keeping the government NEUTRAL in religious matters. Do you understand that?

1. What conclusion have I reached? Attempt an articulate response to the question.

2. You claimed that
"Your bit about Year Of Our Lord is almost comical."

Yet when I demanded you back up what you wrote, you simply became a laughing stock.
It was used by Christian nations to underscore their belief in Jesus Christ.


3. The Founders based their view of escape from England on a continuation of the Hebrews escaping Egypt. Do you understand that? They honored the Old Testament and the New Testament.


4. I guess I was also correct about you being damaged by going through goverment school

5. Shall I guess who you voted for too?