Zone1 What Is All This "Christian Nation" Stuff?

[Robert W]

Let's check:


Under Trump gasoline was about $1.80 a gallon….but you voted against that

Under Trump we were energy independent….but you voted against that.

Under Trump 80% of illegal alien were kept in Mexico….but you voted against that.

Under Trump inflation was 1.4%….but you voted against that.

Under Trump crime was far lower, as were homicides….but you voted against that.

Under Trump Iran was kept in a box….but you voted against that.

Under Trump America had an airbase near both China and Iran….but you voted against that.

Under Trump our President wasn’t on China’s payroll….but you voted against that.

Under Trump cartels weren’t free to operate….but you voted against that.

Under Trump government didn’t favor racism, CRT, gender mutilation….but you voted against that.

Under Trump we didn’t have confiscatory tax policy….but you voted against that.

Under Trump we didn’t have a government working with big tech to end free speech….but you voted against that.

Under Trump, Putin didn’t invade Ukraine….but you voted against that

Under Trump, the savages of Hamas didn’t dare to slaughter concert goers….but you voted against that.

Under Trump, peace in the Middle East….but you voted against that.

Under Trump, three peace treaties between Israel and their Arab neighbors…..but you voted against that.

Under Trump, securing our borders and not waiving in murderous MS13 gang members…..but you voted against that

Under Trump we avoided some 100,000 fatal drug overdoses…but you voted against that.

Under Trump we didn’t have lawfare, a legal system corrupted to use fake charges against political enemies….but you voted for Lawfare.

Under Trump, his side didn’t try to imprison or assassinate opponents.

Bazingo. They never recover from that sort of data.

 

[Robert W]

that would be the christian bible belt for slave ownership and the title of the thread doing so as a christian nation.

frt sumter was a disguised blessing the same for their choice of trump bringing to the surface the turmoil they have thrived on since the heavenly decade of renewal the 60's and will bring their duplicity to an accelerated conclusion - the crucifiers.

Probably a few of the South were devout Christians. But slavery was never about religion. It was how the south plantation owners who had crops managed to survive and keep feeding the slaves and teaching them occupations that was valuable after they were no longer slaves.

 

[Robert W]

Any war between the citizens of the same country is civil war regardless of what their end motive might be.

But what motivated millions of white Americans to stand up and oppose slavery, many at the risk of their reputations, standing in their communities, their fortunes, and/or their very lives? It was Christian values and concepts that motivated them.

I am not speaking of those who fought in The Civil War though many or most of those too had to wrestle with their Christian consciences in all that. The Quaker community was much larger and more widespread in the mid 19th Century than now, and it was especially traumatic for many of them who believed and practiced pure gentle pacifism but were torn on the right and wrong of defending their country.

Certainly many if not a pretty large majority of those in the seceding states personally opposed slavery but supported the effort to get out from under the oppressive thumb of the north and be able to enjoy liberty and self determination.

Certainly many in the north didn't have strong feelings about slavery one way or the other or even condoned it--Lincoln did not free the slaves in the northern states but only those in the seceding states. It is also certain that many did not have any intention of black people becoming full citizens of the USA. Abraham Lincoln certainly didn't. He hoped to ship most out of the country once the war was over. That does not make him an evil man but simply one conditioned by the culture he lived in.

But even those in the north who were not interested in slavery one way or the other fought in the war to preserve the union.

There were moments of glory, Christian grace and magnanimous acts on both sides. And acts of pure evil on both sides.

Through it all the vast majority, including the majority of black slaves, were Christian.

So you are telling us that the aims do not matter? My remarks are it matters. Civil wars want to end up how? Both sides beat to pee? This really is how it went. I never thought of Abe as evil. I thought he was misguided. I know nothing as to Christians then. Seems they may be the forgotten men and women and kids.

 

[Robert W]

they have given their lives ... its never been your help, trump hasn't lifted a finger for anyone.

This resembles the war between the North and South at the time it was happening. Each side has hate. And both think only they are right.

 

[Robert W]

The Queen gave the South's cause thumbs down.

Here's why:

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The United Kingdom passed the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833, which outlawed slavery in most of its colonies. The act took effect on August 1, 1834.

What happened to England's slaves?

 

[BreezeWood]

This resembles the war between the North and South at the time it was happening. Each side has hate. And both think only they are right.

no, it's your favorite of all time ... only one side is right.

Roosevelt devised a plan where the necessary supplies and equipment could be lent and leased to England. Using the analogy of lending a neighbor your garden hose if his house was on fire and thereby keeping the fire from spreading to your own house ...

- they have given their lives ... its never been your help, trump hasn't lifted a finger for anyone.

the crucifiers have swarmed to trump's side as they too have nothing to offer but the hollow lies of their false religion the same as trump who's sole attribute as theirs is to persecute and victimize the innocent.

 

[Robert W]

no, it's your favorite of all time ... only one side is right.

And you wish it was your side that is right.

 

[Foxfyre]

So you are telling us that the aims do not matter? My remarks are it matters. Civil wars want to end up how? Both sides beat to pee? This really is how it went. I never thought of Abe as evil. I thought he was misguided. I know nothing as to Christians then. Seems they may be the forgotten men and women and kids.

I am saying that we can't judge people of another era, another time, another culture by our own. We have to look at what they considered right and and wrong through their eyes with their experience and not with our own. I'm sure they would have looked at this generation and its culture and believe we were all going straight to the devil.

We gravely err if we assume to judge them by our own standards instead of theirs. And to assume that none of them were guided by and informed and their conduct modified by their Christian faith would also be a grave error.

Different times. Different values. Different concepts of right and wrong, but the USA as a Christian nation has been part of all of it.

 

[Woodznutz]

Sooooo......what are the questions they ask at the door before they let worshippers in?

Everyone is given the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. The early church was filled with unbelievers and that hasn't changed.

 

[Woodznutz]

You seem to be suggesting that the Founders didn't welcome the groups I mentioned.

Can you cash that check?

Actually, no.

 

[Woodznutz]

Given that there are around 5,000 different Xtian denominations… sounds like a viable strategy.

Just as the old itinerant bums used to mark houses where they got handouts the indolent poor know every church, government program and private aid organization that keeps them fed and housed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bazingo. They never recover from that sort of data.

Shocking to me how they indoctrination is indefatigable.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What happened to England's slaves?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Everyone is given the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. The early church was filled with unbelievers and that hasn't changed.

So anyone can enter. As we have said.

 

[Woodznutz]

So anyone can enter. As we have said.

But not all can remain. People are disfellowshipped from our churches and deported from our country.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If you've ever bought an electrical appliance, take a look at the yellow tag on the back. It says that if you mess with it you ran the risk of death or serious injury. Pretend I've got the same kind of label.

Ew a threat. I am terrified.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Well, you'll still need to go out and thump some skulls to get everyone on board with the program. For that you'll need earthly political power.

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No.

That's God's job.

Time is coming.




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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You are gonna make me blush. Thank you.

Perhaps it was simply understood in bygone days.

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Used to be simply understood because it's part of natural law.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Ew a threat. I am terrified.

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Yeah. You understand threats. If you're having a hard time remembering what threats are about, take a look at westwall's signature.




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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I deny it.

There is no requirement to be Christian, nor any such citizenship requirents.

Did you know that most students in NYC Catholic schools are not Catholic?
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No, most students in Catholic schools in New York City are not Catholic because Catholic schools are open to students of all faiths. Catholic schools in New York City are welcoming to children of other faiths.

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Same here in SD. Any conscientious parent would be wise to choose Catholic school because it's simply a better quality of education.


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