Zone1 What Is All This "Christian Nation" Stuff?

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

We can't discuss anything if you're going to fall back on spamming again. Final warning!

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"Final warning"

As if.




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[BreezeWood]

I am saying that we can't judge people of another era, another time, another culture by our own ... We gravely err if we assume to judge them by our own standards instead of theirs.

how they repeat history, justify their crimes and settle for sinning and servitude to avoid heavenly retribution than as jesus taught liberation theology, self determination that when accomplished to sin no more is for their final judgement having been earned for admission to the everlasting.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

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“Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58).


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[Mac1958]

This has never been more appropriate.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

And in time--all before the turn of the 19th Century--all the little theocracies had pretty much dissolved themselves and no new ones developed unless you want to count Brigham Young and the Mormons as a theocracy when they went to Utah. (They no longer are now.) But basic Christian values/attitudes continued to be the norm in pretty much all of American culture and society.

Because of that, religious freedom for all faiths has been mostly tolerated and allowed free rein throughout the USA.

Over time the anti-America, anti-religion activists including organizations like the ACLU have managed to mostly erase most Christian influence from our culture and governments to our great detriment.

Hopefully with an administration who again promotes and protects religious freedoms, that pendulum can start swinging back for the good of all.

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I have every hope your last paragraph will become fact.

The anti-religionists are doing what amounts to genocide.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Well, maybe some Catholics can weigh in.

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True Catholics are a direct line from the original church. It's called apostolic succession.

What is Apostolic Succession and is it Biblical?

I can't tell you when that line of succession was officially broken, but a few true Catholics still exist and are eager for the day when we wan reclaim our Church.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

If you put the money in the collection plate and can fog a mirror ... you're in.

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It's obvious you know nothing about Catholic Catechism. And, from my own research, Lutheran Catechism is nearly as rigorous.


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[Zincwarrior]

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Yeah. You understand threats. If you're having a hard time remembering what threats are about, take a look at westwall's signature.




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You're just jealous of all the voices in my head.

 

[Meriweather]

This has never been more appropriate.

The actual quote was, "I like your Christ but not your Christianity." Gandhi did not care for institutions, but in spiritual humanism in caring for the poor. He supported institutions that fought against exploitation and supported self-sufficiency, equality, and nonviolence. Actually, Christianity does all of that, but not to the exclusion of other pursuits--i.e. riches. Exploitation has also been an issue in some periods and in some places.

Further, Gandhi more or less formed his own image of Christ, one to his liking. He did not believe in Jesus' divinity.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Interesting. The lovely lady talks about going to a 'black Catholic church'. As the commentator points out what even is that? Isn't it interesting that those who most demand that DEI be the law of the land don't see a problem with a 'black Catholic church'? Where's the DEI in that?

Christianity in its purest form is a religion of invitation and opportunity, not dictates and demands. And when practiced according to traditional values provides a safe place for people of all beliefs and traditions to peacefully co-exist without interfering with each other. That is what freedom of religion is supposed to be all about.

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I have to guess, because there are no black Catholics in my parish, but I'd almost bet that a primarily black Catholic parish would never be unwelcoming towards a confirmed white Catholic.

In my Diocese, there is a growing African Catholic community, devoted to Saint Josephine Bakhita, a Sudanese saint who is the patroness of Sudan and of victims of human trafficking. I was confirmed along with a couple dozen of this group and, despite an almost total language barrier, they were very friendly and loving. I still look forward to attending one of their Masses, celebrated in their native language by an Ethiopian/Eritrean priest who is a friend of mine.

I have observed American black Catholic Mass on TV and video, and despite a different flavor, it's the same Mass that I go to every week.

As for invitation and opportunity, while considering conversion to Catholicism, I was always warmly welcomed by my church and understood that the only thing I couldn't share in was the Holy Communion, but it was made very clear to me immediately at the beginning of my conversion that I could join the line at time for Communion and when I reached the priest, I was to cross my arms across my chest and receive a blessing, instead of receiving the Eucharist.

Very loving and welcoming people.


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[Foxfyre]

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I have to guess, because there are no black Catholics in my parish, but I'd almost bet that a primarily black Catholic parish would never be unwelcoming towards a confirmed white Catholic.

In my Diocese, there is a growing African Catholic community, devoted to Saint Josephine Bakhita, a Sudanese saint who is the patroness of Sudan and of victims of human trafficking. I was confirmed along with a couple dozen of this group and, despite an almost total language barrier, they were very friendly and loving. I still look forward to attending one of their Masses, celebrated in their native language by an Ethiopian/Eritrean priest who is a friend of mine.

I have observed American black Catholic Mass on TV and video, and despite a different flavor, it's the same Mass that I go to every week.

As for invitation and opportunity, while considering conversion to Catholicism, I was always warmly welcomed by my church and understood that the only thing I couldn't share in was the Holy Communion, but it was made very clear to me immediately at the beginning of my conversion that I could join the line at time for Communion and when I reached the priest, I was to cross my arms across my chest and receive a blessing, instead of receiving the Eucharist.

Very loving and welcoming people.


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Very interesting. I have not had any experience with a 'black' Catholic Church but obviously they do exist.

My very good black friend before she passed too young some years ago observed that the most segregated places in society was the church regardless of denomination. Not because the mostly black or white or brown congregations didn't welcome people of other skin color--all graciously did--but it just happened.

In another generation or two perhaps that will change but for now. . .

Years ago I was leading a communications conference for the Episcopal Church and we were housed and had sessions at a Catholic monastery in Pasadena CA. During the week long conference we all attended a service at a church in Pasadena that was the wealthiest congregation in the USA. We were treated elegantly and it was a beautiful service. But in my opinion was missing something.

A couple of days later we attended a service in east L.A. that was the poorest Episcopal congregation in the USA and was mostly Hispanic. The service was in Spanish. But oh my what joy, what fun it was complete with a mariachi band. One of the most memorable experiences of my life.

I am not Episcopalian by the way.

But the OP is right. The USA is a mostly Christian nation with our laws, culture, sense of right and wrong coming clearly from the JudeoChristian culture that has underpinned it from the beginning regardless of what religion Americans might have.

 

[Foxfyre]

how they repeat history, justify their crimes and settle for sinning and servitude to avoid heavenly retribution than as jesus taught liberation theology, self determination that when accomplished to sin no more is for their final judgement having been earned for admission to the everlasting.

I have no idea what you are saying here. But do have a lovely day.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Very interesting. I have not had any experience with a 'black' Catholic Church but obviously they do exist.

My very good black friend before she passed too young some years ago observed that the most segregated places in society was the church regardless of denomination. Not because the mostly black or white or brown congregations didn't welcome people of other skin color--all graciously did--but it just happened.

In another generation or two perhaps that will change but for now. . .

Years ago I was leading a communications conference for the Episcopal Church and we were housed and had sessions at a Catholic monastery in Pasadena CA. During the week long conference we all attended a service at a church in Pasadena that was the wealthiest congregation in the USA. We were treated elegantly and it was a beautiful service. But in my opinion was missing something.

A couple of days later we attended a service in east L.A. that was the poorest Episcopal congregation in the USA and was mostly Hispanic. The service was in Spanish. But oh my what joy, what fun it was complete with a mariachi band. One of the most memorable experiences of my life.

But the OP is right. The USA is a mostly Christian nation with our laws, culture, sense of right and wrong coming clearly from the JudeoChristian culture that has underpinned it from the beginning.

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I might learn something new when I get around to attending the African Mass.

There is a strong teaching in Catholicism that what you're talking about in your last paragraph comes from something called "natural law", which is naturally instilled in a person at birth, or some believe instilled at Baptism. Makes me wonder because I've had a sense of right and wrong as far back as I can remember, but my older and younger brothers who grew up in the same environment as me and were Baptized at the same time, by the same pastor, were the most evil a-holes ever. I'd like to know if you have thoughts about this.


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[Foxfyre]

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I might learn something new when I get around to attending the African Mass.

There is a strong teaching in Catholicism that what you're talking about in your last paragraph comes from something called "natural law", which is naturally instilled in a person at birth, or some believe instilled at Baptism. Makes me wonder because I've had a sense of right and wrong as far back as I can remember, but my older and younger brothers who grew up in the same environment as me and were Baptized at the same time, by the same pastor, were the most evil a-holes ever. I'd like to know if you have thoughts about this.


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I think every soul has to make a choice as to what his/her values and beliefs will be. Most choose to be ethical, honest, not be an unnecessary burden on anybody, if religious strive for righteousness. Some choose to be selfish, self-serving, unethical, dishonest, hateful, toxic.

We all probably know somebody among those we know--as you say perhaps in our own families--those who choose evil and those who are living saints among us.

But the saints are fallible and can disappoint us at times however minor those occasions can be--all have sinned and fallen short, but there is grace and forgiveness in Christian values. And the evil are not beyond redemption however much they may have contempt for that now.

Still the Scriptures teach us to love all but keep away from those who do evil. That is heart wrenching and difficult when it is our own family but we do not benefit nor should we have to endure those who are toxic and evil among us.

My opinion of course subject to tweaking according to the specific circumstances.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But not all can remain. People are disfellowshipped from our churches and deported from our country.

Can you provide any such video?
It would be exciting.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ew a threat. I am terrified.

Head back into your blanket fort.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This has never been more appropriate.

So you are admitting to being a bigot?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The actual quote was, "I like your Christ but not your Christianity." Gandhi did not care for institutions, but in spiritual humanism in caring for the poor. He supported institutions that fought against exploitation and supported self-sufficiency, equality, and nonviolence. Actually, Christianity does all of that, but not to the exclusion of other pursuits--i.e. riches. Exploitation has also been an issue in some periods and in some places.

Further, Gandhi more or less formed his own image of Christ, one to his liking. He did not believe in Jesus' divinity.

"...formed his own image of Christ, one to his liking. "


I rarely quote Gandhi......who said "the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. " https://jewishcurrents.org/mahatma-gandhi-on-zionism-and-the-holocaust/

 

[Zincwarrior]

Head back into your blanket fort.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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