What Limits Should We Impose On Truth?

[Donald H]

What Limits Should We Impose On Truth?


Universities: the places that the Left most dominates are the least free places in America

It could be that America needs to look outward to regain it's 'freedom', and stop the domestic violence that robs the American people of their freedom.

Mapped: The world's most and least free countries

India was the center of last year's democratic decline.

www.axios.com

• According to the rankings (out of 100), the most free countries in the world are Finland (100), Norway (100), Sweden (100), the Netherlands (99), Luxembourg (98), Uruguay (98) and Canada (98).

America no longer makes the cut in comparison the the world's leading 'free' countries. Peculiarly, the leading countries appear to be leftist and the world's leading 'socially' responsible countries!

• The U.S. (86) ranks 52nd, between Slovakia and Belize.

 

[Crepitus]

What Limits Should We Impose On Truth?

The temperature keeps rising on the reactions by Leftists on opinions with which they object.

Do you see the issue here?

I'm guessing not.

 

[Donald H]

Do you see the issue here?

I'm guessing not.

Are you suggesting that the imposition of limits is the issue?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It could be that America needs to look outward to regain it's 'freedom', and stop the domestic violence that robs the American people of their freedom.

Mapped: The world's most and least free countries

India was the center of last year's democratic decline.

www.axios.com

America no longer makes the cut in comparison the the world's leading 'free' countries. Peculiarly, the leading countries appear to be leftist and the world's leading 'socially' responsible countries!

"It could be that America needs to look outward to regain it's 'freedom',"


Oh, the irony......coming from an inhabitant of a nation where one can be imprisoned for using the wrong pronoun....

Father jailed in Canada for using incorrect pronouns​

https://www.independentsentinel.com › father-jailed-in-canada-for-using-incorrect-pronouns
Liberal professor Dr. Jordan Peterson rose to international acclaim for opposing Bill C-16 in Canada in 2016. The law required Canadians to use an individual's preferred pronouns. He didn't object to the gender issue per see, just the compelled speech. The bill passed into law on June 16, 2017. On March 16, 2021, at 10 […]



https://newspunch.com › canadians-prison-gender-pronouns
Canada passed a law on Thursday that will allow authorities to send citizens who use the wrong gender pronouns to prison. Bill C-16 puts "gender identity" and "gender expression" into the hate crime category - meaning that anybody who is guilty of not subscribing to the ludicrous progressive gender theory could be jailed, fined and ...

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Prison For Refusing Gender Pronouns? Lawyer Explains Bill ...​

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Lawyer Jared Brown explains how you can be imprisoned for refusing to use invented gender pronouns, once Bill C-16 is passed by the Canadian Senate. Bill C-1...

Canadian Father Jailed for Calling His Trans Daughter a ...​

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Dr. Jordan Peterson rose to international prominence for opposing Bill C-16 in Canada in 2016. This legislation required Canadians to use an individual's preferred pronouns amid the ever-growing ...

Canadians Could Face Hate Crimes Over Using The Wrong ...​

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June 16, 2017 12:30 PM ET. Font Size: Canada passed a law Thursday making it illegal to use the wrong gender pronouns. Critics say that Canadians who do not subscribe to progressive gender theory could be accused of hate crimes, jailed, fined, and made to take anti-bias training. Canada's Senate passed Bill C-16, which puts "gender identity ...



Don't wipe the egg off your face.....


.....it's an improvement.

 

[Donald H]

Oh, the irony......coming from an inhabitant of a nation where one can be imprisoned for using the wrong pronoun....

Hate speech in Canada is condemned and from a Canadian POV is one of the main reasons why Canada ranks so highly on freedom.

Perhaps America's most critical problem that robs it's people of their 'freedom' is the gun violence that robs the people of 'safety' in public places?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hate speech in Canada is condemned and from a Canadian POV is one of the main reasons why Canada ranks so highly on freedom.

Perhaps America's most critical problem that robs it's people of their 'freedom' is the gun violence that robs the people of 'safety' in public places?

"Hate speech in Canada is condemned"

....defined as 'freedom' by some dolt....you.



Once more Orwell predicted this dystopian future: newspeak

Freedom is Slavery.

Ignorance is Strength.

Banning free speech is freedom.....


....gads, you're a moron.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Imagine…..suspended for actually teaching because the insane are running the culture.

Where have we seen that before????



When the truth of what has been imposed by the totalitarians- the woke, the Progressives, the Democrats- we find it met with a shrug by their voters.

As I have said before, it presages the death of Western Civilization.

It dooms us to what we witnessed in Mao’s China:
One slogan summed up the Red Guards’ mission: “We vow to launch a bloody war against anyone who dares to resist the Cultural Revolution, who dares to oppose Chairman Mao!”

They were used to “… establish absolute loyalty and obedience to himself alone. To achieve this he needed terror—an intense terror that would block all other considerations and crush all other fears. He saw boys and girls in their teens and early twenties as his ideal agents. They had been brought up in the fanatical personality cult of Mao and the militant doctrine of “class struggle.” They were endowed with the qualities of youth—they were rebellious, fearless, eager to fight for a “just cause,” thirsty for adventure and action. They were also irresponsible, ignorant, and easy to manipulate—and prone to violence.

Phrases like “rebellion against authority,” “revolution in education,” “destroying an old world so a new one could be born,” and “creating new man”—all of which attracted many in the West in the 1960s—were interpreted as calls for violent action. Mao understood the latent violence of the young, and said that since they were well fed and had had their lessons stopped, they could easily be stirred up and use their boundless energy to go out and wreak havoc.”
Chang, “Wild Swans”



And they would certainly vote Democrat.

 

[Donald H]

"Hate speech in Canada is condemned"



Banning free speech is freedom.....


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Banning hate speech could be one of the main reasons why Canada is being judged to be so far above America on freedom.
America hasn't always been rated 52nd., but it could be productive attempt to determine when and why the change took place?
America ceased to be the most free country in the world due to what has to be some domestic influence from within.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Banning hate speech could be one of the main reasons why Canada is being judged to be so far above America on freedom.
America hasn't always been rated 52nd., but it could be productive attempt to determine when and why the change took place?
America ceased to be the most free country in the world due to what has to be some domestic influence from within.

Would you mind repeating what you said here, that banning speech is freedom?

What Limits Should We Impose On Truth?

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[Donald H]

• The U.S. (86) ranks 52nd, between Slovakia and Belize.

A link that suggests 10 ways in which America has lost it's freedom

Ten ways Americans have lost their freedom

Our struggle for liberty has become a fight against concentrated wealth

www.salon.com

1. Our American liberties end at the workplace door.

If you have a job, the Freedom Train stops at the workplace door. More employees are hired on a part-time or temporary basis to deny them rights and benefits. Many of your privacy rights are gone. Your employer can use your company computer to read your correspondence, and your company cell phone (if you have one) to track your movements.

Free speech? You can be fired for expressing political views online, even when you're not at work. As employment lawyer Mark Trapp told Bloomberg Business Week, the“freedom to speak your mind doesn’t really exist in work spaces.” Or, in some cases, outside it.

 

[dblack]

Banning hate speech could be one of the main reasons why Canada is being judged to be so far above America on freedom.

Wait, are you saying "America" (I assume you mean the US) bans hate speech, and Canada doesn't?

 

[PoliticalChic]

• The U.S. (86) ranks 52nd, between Slovakia and Belize.

A link that suggests 10 ways in which America has lost it's freedom

Ten ways Americans have lost their freedom

Our struggle for liberty has become a fight against concentrated wealth

www.salon.com

Would you mind repeating what you said here, that banning speech is freedom?

What Limits Should We Impose On Truth?

post 25

 

[Dragonlady]

What Limits Should We Impose On Truth?

The temperature keeps rising on the reactions by Leftists on opinions with which they object. Out come the magic words: “I’m outraged!!! I’m offended!!!”
Universities: the places that the Left most dominates are the least free places in America





1.“Renowned University of Michigan professor who has taught at the school since 1995 is removed from his post after woke freshman complains about him showing Oscar-nominated acting legend Laurence Olivier in blackface in 1965 film Othello

2. …removed from his teaching post after a student at the college complained about him showing the 1965 film Othello starring Laurence Olivier in blackface. …showed students the movie - which garnered four Academy Award nominations - last month.

Shortly after the screening, one of those taking the class complained to higher-ups at the university. Sheng wanted to 'show how the opera composer Giuseppe Verdi had adapted Shakespeare’s play into an opera.'

3. [Here’s his real mistake:] Professor Sheng, who was born in Shanghai, China and has been at the university for 26 years, penned an apology in which he proceeded to list occasions where he had worked with 'people of color' throughout his career in an effort to display diversity, but that too was rejected by the student body….But the apology only served to inflame things further…

Olivier appeared in blackface throughout the film which was shot in color. It is said to have 'shocked' students who demanded an apology
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What shocked Cook even more was the fact students were simply shown the film without any warning or context as to why they were to watch the work which some might deem offensive.

One graduate student said they thought Sheng's stepping down was 'the bare minimum' that he should do.” Professor removed from university post after showing 1965 Othello

Yup....'shocked and offended!!!'

I wonder if those students had read of students, the Red Guard, under Mao....or they came up with the mirror images all by themselves.





4. This oppression of truth is not new. In a talk before fellow economists, Lawrence Summers, president of Harvard University and secretary of commerce under President Bill Clinton, addressed the question of why there were so many fewer women than men in science, math and engineering.

… empirical truths are not utterable in the most intellectually closed places in America -- our universities. Over 100 Harvard professors signed a petition against President Summers, leftist alumni threatened to give no more money to Harvard, and the vast majority of Harvard's professors kept a cowardly silence while their colleagues sought to suppress completely respectable intellectual inquiry.

“In the year 2005, nearly four centuries after Galileo was forced to recant observable scientific facts about our solar system, the president of Harvard University was forced to do a similar thing.”
Professors as inquisitors - Dennis Prager - Townhall Conservative Columnists



This is the world you endorse if you vote Democrat.

What limits on the truth? Well you have start with FACTS, not shit your right wing media made up:

Daily Mail UK????

Daily Mail - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Townhall.com???

Townhall - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

WHEN YOU START WITH LIES, THERE IS NOT TRUTH. JUST YOUR USUAL RIGHT WING PROPGANDA AND HATE.

 

[Donald H]

Would you mind repeating what you said here, that banning speech is freedom?

What Limits Should We Impose On Truth?

post 25

Not in the least! Have you purposely misquoted me? Here's post 25.

Hate speech in Canada is condemned and from a Canadian POV is one of the main reasons why Canada ranks so highly on freedom.

Perhaps America's most critical problem that robs it's people of their 'freedom' is the gun violence that robs the people of 'safety' in public places?

I'll grant you poetic license as opposed to accusing you of lying this time.

 

[Donald H]

WHEN YOU START WITH LIES, THERE IS NOT TRUTH. JUST YOUR USUAL RIGHT WING PROPGANDA AND HATE.

In fairness to Chicy I've granted her poetic license this one time but it's expected that it she won't repeat that sort of behaviour.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What limits on the truth? Well you have start with FACTS, not shit your right wing media made up:

Daily Mail UK????

Daily Mail - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Townhall.com???

Townhall - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

WHEN YOU START WITH LIES, THERE IS NOT TRUTH. JUST YOUR USUAL RIGHT WING PROPGANDA AND HATE.

"What limits on the truth?"


1.“Renowned University of Michigan professor who has taught at the school since 1995 is removed from his post after woke freshman complains about him showing Oscar-nominated acting legend Laurence Olivier in blackface in 1965 film Othello



2. …removed from his teaching post after a student at the college complained about him showing the 1965 film Othello starring Laurence Olivier in blackface. …showed students the movie - which garnered four Academy Award nominations - last month.

Shortly after the screening, one of those taking the class complained to higher-ups at the university. Sheng wanted to 'show how the opera composer Giuseppe Verdi had adapted Shakespeare’s play into an opera.'

3. [Here’s his real mistake:] Professor Sheng, who was born in Shanghai, China and has been at the university for 26 years, penned an apology in which he proceeded to list occasions where he had worked with 'people of color' throughout his career in an effort to display diversity, but that too was rejected by the student body….But the apology only served to inflame things further…

Olivier appeared in blackface throughout the film which was shot in color. It is said to have 'shocked' students who demanded an apology


What shocked Cook even more was the fact students were simply shown the film without any warning or context as to why they were to watch the work which some might deem offensive.

One graduate student said they thought Sheng's stepping down was 'the bare minimum' that he should do.” Professor removed from university post after showing 1965 Othello



4. This is not new. In a talk before fellow economists, Lawrence Summers, president of Harvard University and secretary of commerce under President Bill Clinton, addressed the question of why there were so many fewer women than men in science, math and engineering.

… empirical truths are not utterable in the most intellectually closed places in America -- our universities. Over 100 Harvard professors signed a petition against President Summers, leftist alumni threatened to give no more money to Harvard, and the vast majority of Harvard's professors kept a cowardly silence while their colleagues sought to suppress completely respectable intellectual inquiry.

“In the year 2005, nearly four centuries after Galileo was forced to recant observable scientific facts about our solar system, the president of Harvard University was forced to do a similar thing.” Professors as inquisitors - Dennis Prager - Townhall Conservative Columnists



This is the world you endorse if you vote Democrat.




It is a grave error to allow those who claim to be 'offended' to set the standards of society.
We should add the motto "Get Over It" to our currency. We’ve always had crazy people in America, but we didn’t used to take their guidance.

Now....what is it he had to apologize for?????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not in the least! Have you purposely misquoted me? Here's post 25.



I'll grant you poetic license as opposed to accusing you of lying this time.

You made the claim.....where's any lie??

Would you mind repeating what you said here, that banning speech is freedom?

What Limits Should We Impose On Truth?

post 25



Just for clarity....do you also believe (I almost said 'think') that freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength and war is peace???



Speak up!

 

[Dragonlady]

Wait, are you saying "America" (I assume you mean the US) bans hate speech, and Canada doesn't?

No, Canada bans hate speech, and the USA allows hate speech on the grounds of "freedom of speech".

In fairness to Chicy I've granted her poetic license this one time but it's expected that it she won't repeat that sort of behaviour.

This is a pattern of behaviour. She get's no "poetic license" from me at all. She's a purveyor of Russian propaganda, and doing her utmost to undermine women's rights, and honesty in government. She favours a fascist totalitarian dictatorship, as do most of the Trump cult.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, Canada bans hate speech, and the USA allows hate speech on the grounds of "freedom of speech".


This is a pattern of behaviour. She get's no "poetic license" from me at all. She's a purveyor of Russian propaganda, and doing her utmost to undermine women's rights, and honesty in government. She favours a fascist totalitarian dictatorship, as do most of the Trump cult.

Speech, to be 'free' needs no modifier.


You Wehrmacht members cannot be allowed to decide what anyone else can or cannot say.

I am surprised that you don’t feel conspicuous, marching around in that brown shirt and the helmet with the spike on top….

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. "Truth be damned!!!"



What we are witnessing is the death of Western Civilization.

“In a free society, people should have the right to criticize a religion; they should have the right to do so, and of course their criticisms are themselves open to criticism; that is the essence of freedom of speech and thought.
Any human endeavor rooted in the pursuit of truth must rely on facts and not feelings.”



“An extraordinarily chilling and instructive example of this dreadful trend occurred in the Netherlands in 2010. Geert Wilders, a Dutch parliamentarian, was charged with a slew of crimes for having the temerity to criticize Islam and its growing influence in his country. Any freedom- loving reader should be appalled that criticism of a religion is now considered hate speech in many Western countries. As part of his defense strategy, Mr. Wilders sought to call on expert witnesses to validate the veracity of his stated public positions. The response from the prose- cutor’s office (Openbaar ministerie) was truly breathtaking:

“It is irrelevant whether Wilders’s witnesses might prove Wilders’s observations to be correct. What’s relevant is that his observations are illegal.”

Gad Saad
Mark Steyn, “The Absurd Trial of Geert Wilders,” Maclean’s, February 18, 2010,

https://www.macleans.ca/general/%20/

the-surd-trial-of-geert-wilders/wilders/






“If the truth hurts, it must be suppressed for the sake of diversity, inclusion, equity, and of course community cohesion.”

If you believe so, vote Democrat.