Hillary also has this in the back of her feeble mind.2. The Dem nomination just got more interesting
And Hillary should be very worried about Sanders. They are in a near statistical tie right now.
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Hillary also has this in the back of her feeble mind.2. The Dem nomination just got more interesting
And Hillary should be very worried about Sanders. They are in a near statistical tie right now.
Actually I think Trump has a good shot to win New Hampshire.
He's always had a good shot at winning New Hampshire. But I don't think he'll get much farther than that, and 4 electoral votes won't get him very far.
Polls in the next three primary states:
Trump is beating Cruz by 26 points in New Hampshire
Trump is beating Cruz by 16 points in South Carolina
Trump is beating Cruz by 13 points in Nevada
All of those polls were taken before tonight.
And that would mean what exactly?
It means the only reason anyone cares about Iowa and NH is because the results there set the tone for the following states - and the fact that Trump has come in 10 points below where every poll had him in Iowa will take a serious chunk out of his momentum, no matter what stupid things he says to get more airtime.
People who hate the establishment, voted, obviouslyWho voted if the GOP establishment is dead?
Delegates win the nomination. In Iowa, Cruz won 8 delegates and Trump won 7, and Rubio get's 6, Carson 2, and Paul 1. In delegate count, Cruz is leading Trump by 1 delegate, and Rubio by 2. They all have a good chance of winning the nomination. And if it's an open convention, then it will really be up in the air.And, as an announcement, I am going to flip to Ted Cruz (not that I expect people to care). I will vote for him provided he makes it to my state primary intact. But if either Trump, Cruz, or Rubio win the nomination, I will rejoin the Republican party after a four year hiatus. I'm still a libertarian, though, of the little "l" variety
To be honest, I've been waiting for something like this to happen.
Don't forget Carson in 4th.Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.
What do you think?
It's interesting that Trump did best in the more rural areas and did rather poorly in the cities of Des Moines and Cedar Rapids. I wonder if this is going to be a trend. If so, that's not going to be good for the Donald.And, as an announcement, I am going to flip to Ted Cruz (not that I expect people to care). I will vote for him provided he makes it to my state primary intact. But if either Trump, Cruz, or Rubio win the nomination, I will rejoin the Republican party after a four year hiatus. I'm still a libertarian, though, of the little "l" variety
To be honest, I've been waiting for something like this to happen.
so will they need a forklift to get you off the couch, Twinky-boy?
Actually, I'm kind of glad Cruz won, but not for the reasons you think. This breaks the "Reality TV Fever" the GOP has had. If Kasich or Rubio win New Hampshire, I suspect Trump will suspend his campaign and we might get a sensible argument over the direction of the GOP.
If Cruz is the GOP nominee, Hillary will beat him easily. I was much more worried about Trump, who could get the votes of the 51% of knobs who can't name their state's senators, but can name who the finalists on the Bachelor are.
He's pro-illegal alien...Carbine, I don't consider Rubio that way. I don't think he's establishment. Not by a long shot.
Edited: I said Cruz when I should have said Rubio.
Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.
What do you think?
Actually I think Trump has a good shot to win New Hampshire.
He's always had a good shot at winning New Hampshire. But I don't think he'll get much farther than that, and 4 electoral votes won't get him very far.
Polls in the next three primary states:
Trump is beating Cruz by 26 points in New Hampshire
Trump is beating Cruz by 16 points in South Carolina
Trump is beating Cruz by 13 points in Nevada
All of those polls were taken before tonight.
And that would mean what exactly?
It means the only reason anyone cares about Iowa and NH is because the results there set the tone for the following states - and the fact that Trump has come in 10 points below where every poll had him in Iowa will take a serious chunk out of his momentum, no matter what stupid things he says to get more airtime.
He's always had a good shot at winning New Hampshire. But I don't think he'll get much farther than that, and 4 electoral votes won't get him very far.
Polls in the next three primary states:
Trump is beating Cruz by 26 points in New Hampshire
Trump is beating Cruz by 16 points in South Carolina
Trump is beating Cruz by 13 points in Nevada
All of those polls were taken before tonight.
And that would mean what exactly?
It means the only reason anyone cares about Iowa and NH is because the results there set the tone for the following states - and the fact that Trump has come in 10 points below where every poll had him in Iowa will take a serious chunk out of his momentum, no matter what stupid things he says to get more airtime.
Huckabee 2004 and Santorum 2008? What tone did that set?
Pre-Iowa. That could change significantly now that blood is in the water and the establishment sharks start to circle.Polls in the next three primary states:
Trump is beating Cruz by 26 points in New Hampshire
Trump is beating Cruz by 16 points in South Carolina
Trump is beating Cruz by 13 points in Nevada
Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.
What do you think?
Polls in the next three primary states:
Trump is beating Cruz by 26 points in New Hampshire
Trump is beating Cruz by 16 points in South Carolina
Trump is beating Cruz by 13 points in Nevada
All of those polls were taken before tonight.
And that would mean what exactly?
It means the only reason anyone cares about Iowa and NH is because the results there set the tone for the following states - and the fact that Trump has come in 10 points below where every poll had him in Iowa will take a serious chunk out of his momentum, no matter what stupid things he says to get more airtime.
Huckabee 2004 and Santorum 2008? What tone did that set?
It's not the same thing. I could be wrong, but from where I'm sitting, I see Trump's entire campaign built on momentum - and he just lost it.
The Tea Party has been around for a while now and it's not dead. But, just like the Democrat party, the elected representatives have to toe the mark. I don't like that...or lobbyists who peddle influence. Republican and Independent voters are coming around to the fact that they don't like to be told how to vote, they vote their conscious and what's good for the country rather than their party.Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.
What do you think?
She has worries on her right and on her left. Let us not forget about the FBI investigations!2. The Dem nomination just got more interesting
And Hillary should be very worried about Sanders. They are in a near statistical tie right now.
I think I agree with you, Clayton.What one should 'get' from the Iowa caucuses is that they're as meaningless and as irrelevant this year as in primaries past.
The only thing significant about Iowa is Trump's loss.
And that requires the people getting involved at the very local level – something they refuse to do; and the TPM is a perfect example of how not to go about it – the TPM was partisan and divisive, made up mostly of reactionary libertarians, the social right, and conservative ideologues.The Tea Party has been around for a while now and it's not dead. But, just like the Democrat party, the elected representatives have to toe the mark. I don't like that...or lobbyists who peddle influence. Republican and Independent voters are coming around to the fact that they don't like to be told how to vote, they vote their conscious and what's good for the country rather than their party.Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.
What do you think?
I wish we could be effective enough to bring independent candidates and just flip off the traditional parties.
The TPM was a grass root level operation and one that caught the attention of angry voters. It was conservative.And that requires the people getting involved at the very local level – something they refuse to do; and the TPM is a perfect example of how not to go about it – the TPM was partisan and divisive, made up mostly of reactionary libertarians, the social right, and conservative ideologues.The Tea Party has been around for a while now and it's not dead. But, just like the Democrat party, the elected representatives have to toe the mark. I don't like that...or lobbyists who peddle influence. Republican and Independent voters are coming around to the fact that they don't like to be told how to vote, they vote their conscious and what's good for the country rather than their party.Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.
What do you think?
I wish we could be effective enough to bring independent candidates and just flip off the traditional parties.
Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.
What do you think?