What I got from the Iowa caucuses

[jon_berzerk]

carson said cruz cheated

 

[Arizona Willie]

What I got from Iowa

1. Cruz used two dirty tricks that makes him look dishonest, He told Carson voters that Carson had dropped out of the race, and sent a "notice" telling people their voting habits are being monitored which had information about neighbors and whether they had been voting in the caucuses. It actually said "Official" at the top of the notice.

2. Trump cannot depend on charisma for his votes. He needs end games and organizational plans to get his vote out. Trump needs to stop repeating himself in speeches. People want to know HOW he is going to do some of the things he talks about.

3. Cruz is too evangelical and I think it will hurt him.

4. Clinton has an entire office working on mud slinging attacks on other candidates that she can use at the opportune time. So far, it's major focus has been Trump and that may not have been a good idea for Trump has said he will give it right back to her. All this ends in less time on important issues

5. No candidate can be assured of a win as was demonstrated last night.

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The Dirty Trick from Cruz DOES NOT MAKE HIM LOOK DISHONEST.

It proves he IS DISHONEST.

He should be disqualified for sending out mailers pretending to be " official government documents ".

That's the tactic of scam artists which is, apparently, what he is or wants to be considered.

Official Government Document was nowhere on the mailer. Stop lying.

On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

==========
Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

 

[Arizona Willie]

What I got from Iowa

1. Cruz used two dirty tricks that makes him look dishonest, He told Carson voters that Carson had dropped out of the race, and sent a "notice" telling people their voting habits are being monitored which had information about neighbors and whether they had been voting in the caucuses. It actually said "Official" at the top of the notice.

2. Trump cannot depend on charisma for his votes. He needs end games and organizational plans to get his vote out. Trump needs to stop repeating himself in speeches. People want to know HOW he is going to do some of the things he talks about.

3. Cruz is too evangelical and I think it will hurt him.

4. Clinton has an entire office working on mud slinging attacks on other candidates that she can use at the opportune time. So far, it's major focus has been Trump and that may not have been a good idea for Trump has said he will give it right back to her. All this ends in less time on important issues

5. No candidate can be assured of a win as was demonstrated last night.

Good post Jackson. I agree to a point on some of the things you said.

1. It's legal to do what he did (mailers) and while it is douchey it worked.
2. I don't think Trump did that poorly considering Iowa isn't known for getting behind anyone that isn't evangelical x10. Cruz played that card perfectly and it paid off.
3. Agree 100% that Cruz is too evangelical. I mean in reality its nothing but an act, but it won't serve him.
5. Agreed and I believe this turns into a Trump/Rubio run for the nomination. Cruz is just too douchey and phony to get out of Iowa.

I think it's too early to decide what the likely will be. I am/was a supporter of Trumps and I believe he thought he could win this state as well as others on his self proclaimed charm. He has to get the ground work done in each state. Does he know to establish this kind of organization? Will he fire his campaign manager now? lol

I think what people are missing is that he actually did well. This is Iowa remember. It would have been a shocker had he won Iowa. That would have sent shock waves everywhere because that would have meant the evangelicals totally abandoned their voting history. This is why Cruz needed to win more so than Trump.

Iowa consistently picks losers because they vote for the most evangelical rather than the best candidate. No surprises here.

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Iowa is a strange state. It is full of two kinds of people.

Liberals

and

Fundamentalists / Evangelicals

Mostly Fundamentalist and Evangelicals but with a strong Liberal component. Far more Republicans than Democrats.

Farmers hate the Government --- except for those Government Farm Welfare checks all while they declare that poor people who get government assistance are leeches who are going to hell.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You are too stupid for words.

More than 180,000 people showed up at the Republican caucuses throughout the state, breaking the 2012 record of about 121,000 voters, according to ABC News.

And you call that dead.

I disagree with you. TK said he thought the GOP Establishment is dead, not the GOP in general. The anti-establishment candidates received over 50% of the GOP votes. The establishment may not quite be on life support, but it should be worried. The situation is so bad for the establishment, that one of the Koch brothers is spending great amounts of money to derail Trump. Will he do the same for Cruz? The fix is in.

Let's see the evidence you have showing the Koch brothers spending great amounts of money....

The Koch brothers haven't endorsed anyone that I'm aware of.

You are right that they haven't endorsed anyone...just going after Trump to defeat him.
Koch Brothers' Network Considering Anti-Trump Campaign
Conservative Koch Brothers' Political Network Is Stumped by Trump

The Koch network is unlikely to endorse a Republican presidential candidate in the primary, but what is less clear is if the conservative activists who spent $400 million in the last presidential election will actively try to defeat Trump in the primary. It's possible that they will and it's a decision that will be made after the early primary states have voted, a senior official at the Koch-backed political action committee Freedom Partners Action Fund told NBC News.

The link says they are "considering" an anti-Trump campaign.

Show me evidence that they are in fact spending great amounts of money to derail Trump.

Your link doesn't support your claim.

They haven;t yet. But their money and influence are on the ready if Trump is successful in the early states.

"what is less clear is if the conservative activists who spent $400 million in the last presidential election will actively try to defeat Trump in the primary. It's possible that they will and it's a decision that will be made after the early primary states have voted, a senior official at the Koch-backed political action committee Freedom Partners Action Fund told NBC News."...

"if they choose, the Kochs could unleash a sizable war chest against Trump. "

If they haven't yet, then why did you say " that one of the Koch brothers is spending great amounts of money to derail Trump."?

Are you admitting you lied?

 

[Rustic]

Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.

What do you think?

Let's hope so, but not get over confident.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What I got from Iowa

1. Cruz used two dirty tricks that makes him look dishonest, He told Carson voters that Carson had dropped out of the race, and sent a "notice" telling people their voting habits are being monitored which had information about neighbors and whether they had been voting in the caucuses. It actually said "Official" at the top of the notice.

2. Trump cannot depend on charisma for his votes. He needs end games and organizational plans to get his vote out. Trump needs to stop repeating himself in speeches. People want to know HOW he is going to do some of the things he talks about.

3. Cruz is too evangelical and I think it will hurt him.

4. Clinton has an entire office working on mud slinging attacks on other candidates that she can use at the opportune time. So far, it's major focus has been Trump and that may not have been a good idea for Trump has said he will give it right back to her. All this ends in less time on important issues

5. No candidate can be assured of a win as was demonstrated last night.

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The Dirty Trick from Cruz DOES NOT MAKE HIM LOOK DISHONEST.

It proves he IS DISHONEST.

He should be disqualified for sending out mailers pretending to be " official government documents ".

That's the tactic of scam artists which is, apparently, what he is or wants to be considered.

Official Government Document was nowhere on the mailer. Stop lying.

On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

==========
Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

 

[Arizona Willie]

What I got from Iowa

1. Cruz used two dirty tricks that makes him look dishonest, He told Carson voters that Carson had dropped out of the race, and sent a "notice" telling people their voting habits are being monitored which had information about neighbors and whether they had been voting in the caucuses. It actually said "Official" at the top of the notice.

2. Trump cannot depend on charisma for his votes. He needs end games and organizational plans to get his vote out. Trump needs to stop repeating himself in speeches. People want to know HOW he is going to do some of the things he talks about.

3. Cruz is too evangelical and I think it will hurt him.

4. Clinton has an entire office working on mud slinging attacks on other candidates that she can use at the opportune time. So far, it's major focus has been Trump and that may not have been a good idea for Trump has said he will give it right back to her. All this ends in less time on important issues

5. No candidate can be assured of a win as was demonstrated last night.

==========

The Dirty Trick from Cruz DOES NOT MAKE HIM LOOK DISHONEST.

It proves he IS DISHONEST.

He should be disqualified for sending out mailers pretending to be " official government documents ".

That's the tactic of scam artists which is, apparently, what he is or wants to be considered.

Official Government Document was nowhere on the mailer. Stop lying.

On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

==========
Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

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The point is not what the exact dictionary definition is ... it is that they tried to convey the impression that it was an " official document ".

The size and shape and color of the the mailer all chosen to mimic government documents.

I'm sure you understand that but if you want to continue to pretend to be so obtruse .. so be it.

 

[Jackson]

What I got from Iowa

1. Cruz used two dirty tricks that makes him look dishonest, He told Carson voters that Carson had dropped out of the race, and sent a "notice" telling people their voting habits are being monitored which had information about neighbors and whether they had been voting in the caucuses. It actually said "Official" at the top of the notice.

2. Trump cannot depend on charisma for his votes. He needs end games and organizational plans to get his vote out. Trump needs to stop repeating himself in speeches. People want to know HOW he is going to do some of the things he talks about.

3. Cruz is too evangelical and I think it will hurt him.

4. Clinton has an entire office working on mud slinging attacks on other candidates that she can use at the opportune time. So far, it's major focus has been Trump and that may not have been a good idea for Trump has said he will give it right back to her. All this ends in less time on important issues

5. No candidate can be assured of a win as was demonstrated last night.

==========

The Dirty Trick from Cruz DOES NOT MAKE HIM LOOK DISHONEST.

It proves he IS DISHONEST.

He should be disqualified for sending out mailers pretending to be " official government documents ".

That's the tactic of scam artists which is, apparently, what he is or wants to be considered.

Official Government Document was nowhere on the mailer. Stop lying.

On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

==========
Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

=========
The point is not what the exact dictionary definition is ... it is that they tried to convey the impression that it was an " official document ".

The size and shape and color of the the mailer all chosen to mimic government documents.

I'm sure you understand that but if you want to continue to pretend to be so obtruse .. so be it.

Iowa's secretary of state rips Ted Cruz over campaign mailer ...

www.cnn.com/.../ted-cruz-mailer-iowa-caucuses-voter-violation/


Washington (CNN)

Iowa's secretary of state on Saturday blastedTed Cruz'scampaign over a controversial mailer that aims to drive voters to the polls for Monday's caucuses by claiming they have committed "violations."

"Today I was shown a piece of literature from the Cruz for President campaign that misrepresents the role of my office, and worse, misrepresents Iowa election law," Paul Pate, a Republican, said in a statement Saturday.

The mailer gave the recipient, along with their neighbors, poor grades based on their individual voting history. On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

"You are receiving this election notice because of low expected voter turnout in your area. Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors' are public record. Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday's caucuses."

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What I got from Iowa

1. Cruz used two dirty tricks that makes him look dishonest, He told Carson voters that Carson had dropped out of the race, and sent a "notice" telling people their voting habits are being monitored which had information about neighbors and whether they had been voting in the caucuses. It actually said "Official" at the top of the notice.

2. Trump cannot depend on charisma for his votes. He needs end games and organizational plans to get his vote out. Trump needs to stop repeating himself in speeches. People want to know HOW he is going to do some of the things he talks about.

3. Cruz is too evangelical and I think it will hurt him.

4. Clinton has an entire office working on mud slinging attacks on other candidates that she can use at the opportune time. So far, it's major focus has been Trump and that may not have been a good idea for Trump has said he will give it right back to her. All this ends in less time on important issues

5. No candidate can be assured of a win as was demonstrated last night.

==========

The Dirty Trick from Cruz DOES NOT MAKE HIM LOOK DISHONEST.

It proves he IS DISHONEST.

He should be disqualified for sending out mailers pretending to be " official government documents ".

That's the tactic of scam artists which is, apparently, what he is or wants to be considered.

Official Government Document was nowhere on the mailer. Stop lying.

On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

==========
Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

=========
The point is not what the exact dictionary definition is ... it is that they tried to convey the impression that it was an " official document ".

The size and shape and color of the the mailer all chosen to mimic government documents.

I'm sure you understand that but if you want to continue to pretend to be so obtruse .. so be it.

You have proof to show that, that is the message they meant to convey?

Seems to me that only morons like you would be fooled into thinking it was an official document. The rest of us are not fooled by appearances.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

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The Dirty Trick from Cruz DOES NOT MAKE HIM LOOK DISHONEST.

It proves he IS DISHONEST.

He should be disqualified for sending out mailers pretending to be " official government documents ".

That's the tactic of scam artists which is, apparently, what he is or wants to be considered.

Official Government Document was nowhere on the mailer. Stop lying.

On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

==========
Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

=========
The point is not what the exact dictionary definition is ... it is that they tried to convey the impression that it was an " official document ".

The size and shape and color of the the mailer all chosen to mimic government documents.

I'm sure you understand that but if you want to continue to pretend to be so obtruse .. so be it.

Iowa's secretary of state rips Ted Cruz over campaign mailer ...

www.cnn.com/.../ted-cruz-mailer-iowa-caucuses-voter-violation/


Washington (CNN)

Iowa's secretary of state on Saturday blastedTed Cruz'scampaign over a controversial mailer that aims to drive voters to the polls for Monday's caucuses by claiming they have committed "violations."

"Today I was shown a piece of literature from the Cruz for President campaign that misrepresents the role of my office, and worse, misrepresents Iowa election law," Paul Pate, a Republican, said in a statement Saturday.

The mailer gave the recipient, along with their neighbors, poor grades based on their individual voting history. On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

"You are receiving this election notice because of low expected voter turnout in your area. Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors' are public record. Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday's caucuses."

He was shown a "piece" of the mailer. I'm sure out of context it would appear to be exactly how he described it.

What puzzles me, is why you guys are crying about it? No laws were broken and it's not like you were going to vote for Cruz anyhow. And you don't even live in Iowa!

 

[Arizona Willie]

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The Dirty Trick from Cruz DOES NOT MAKE HIM LOOK DISHONEST.

It proves he IS DISHONEST.

He should be disqualified for sending out mailers pretending to be " official government documents ".

That's the tactic of scam artists which is, apparently, what he is or wants to be considered.

Official Government Document was nowhere on the mailer. Stop lying.

On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

==========
Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

=========
The point is not what the exact dictionary definition is ... it is that they tried to convey the impression that it was an " official document ".

The size and shape and color of the the mailer all chosen to mimic government documents.

I'm sure you understand that but if you want to continue to pretend to be so obtruse .. so be it.

You have proof to show that, that is the message they meant to convey?

Seems to me that only morons like you would be fooled into thinking it was an official document. The rest of us are not fooled by appearances.

==========

Well apparently the Cruz campaign people believe Republicans ARE FOOLED BY APPEARANCES or they wouldn't bother to try to fool them with mailers designed to make them think they are government documents.

But what would one expect from the Republican party but sham / smears / lies / innuendoes.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Official Government Document was nowhere on the mailer. Stop lying.

On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

==========
Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

=========
The point is not what the exact dictionary definition is ... it is that they tried to convey the impression that it was an " official document ".

The size and shape and color of the the mailer all chosen to mimic government documents.

I'm sure you understand that but if you want to continue to pretend to be so obtruse .. so be it.

Iowa's secretary of state rips Ted Cruz over campaign mailer ...

www.cnn.com/.../ted-cruz-mailer-iowa-caucuses-voter-violation/


Washington (CNN)

Iowa's secretary of state on Saturday blastedTed Cruz'scampaign over a controversial mailer that aims to drive voters to the polls for Monday's caucuses by claiming they have committed "violations."

"Today I was shown a piece of literature from the Cruz for President campaign that misrepresents the role of my office, and worse, misrepresents Iowa election law," Paul Pate, a Republican, said in a statement Saturday.

The mailer gave the recipient, along with their neighbors, poor grades based on their individual voting history. On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

"You are receiving this election notice because of low expected voter turnout in your area. Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors' are public record. Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday's caucuses."

He was shown a "piece" of the mailer. I'm sure out of context it would appear to be exactly how he described it.

What puzzles me, is why you guys are crying about it? No laws were broken and it's not like you were going to vote for Cruz anyhow. And you don't even live in Iowa!

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It shows that Cruz is a DECEITFUL person who will try to deceive potential voters.

Which means he has NO ETHICAL OR MORAL VALUES.

 

[Mac1958]

Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.

What do you think?

I'm listening to Limbaugh right now and he's praising Rubio.

If I have the scorecard right, Rubio is kind of quasi-establishment and quasi-anti-establishment. I'm guessing that Rush is hedging his bets in case the "establishment" is able to somehow sink Trump and Cruz.

But you're right, no doubt the energy in the party is telling the old guard to shove it.
.

 

[Jackson]

Official Government Document was nowhere on the mailer. Stop lying.

On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

==========
Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

=========
The point is not what the exact dictionary definition is ... it is that they tried to convey the impression that it was an " official document ".

The size and shape and color of the the mailer all chosen to mimic government documents.

I'm sure you understand that but if you want to continue to pretend to be so obtruse .. so be it.

Iowa's secretary of state rips Ted Cruz over campaign mailer ...

www.cnn.com/.../ted-cruz-mailer-iowa-caucuses-voter-violation/


Washington (CNN)

Iowa's secretary of state on Saturday blastedTed Cruz'scampaign over a controversial mailer that aims to drive voters to the polls for Monday's caucuses by claiming they have committed "violations."

"Today I was shown a piece of literature from the Cruz for President campaign that misrepresents the role of my office, and worse, misrepresents Iowa election law," Paul Pate, a Republican, said in a statement Saturday.

The mailer gave the recipient, along with their neighbors, poor grades based on their individual voting history. On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

"You are receiving this election notice because of low expected voter turnout in your area. Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors' are public record. Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday's caucuses."

He was shown a "piece" of the mailer. I'm sure out of context it would appear to be exactly how he described it.

What puzzles me, is why you guys are crying about it? No laws were broken and it's not like you were going to vote for Cruz anyhow. And you don't even live in Iowa!

Actually, that's not true. As the primaries unfold, many of us will have to change candidates while others just change because they began to like another candidate more. Primaries are ever evolving.
No one is crying, lol Some people don't care for trickery during the elections and would prefer that candidates don't involve themselves in it. However, it appears that just might have worked for Cruz. We will have to wait and see,

BTW on the Koch brother article, I had read that a few days ago and was posting my recall of the article. I misspoke on a word, replacing "are " for "if and will". The meaning of the article is there, they just are waiting to see how Trump does in the primaries before committing themselves to the Anti-Trump campaign, No lies.
There was no deliberate attempt to deceive you, lol.

 

[Jackson]

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Having " Public Record " on it in large type and the color of the document and layout and type fonts all lend the impression of an " official document ".

There is more than one way to lie and the Republicans use every one of them.

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

=========
The point is not what the exact dictionary definition is ... it is that they tried to convey the impression that it was an " official document ".

The size and shape and color of the the mailer all chosen to mimic government documents.

I'm sure you understand that but if you want to continue to pretend to be so obtruse .. so be it.

Iowa's secretary of state rips Ted Cruz over campaign mailer ...

www.cnn.com/.../ted-cruz-mailer-iowa-caucuses-voter-violation/


Washington (CNN)

Iowa's secretary of state on Saturday blastedTed Cruz'scampaign over a controversial mailer that aims to drive voters to the polls for Monday's caucuses by claiming they have committed "violations."

"Today I was shown a piece of literature from the Cruz for President campaign that misrepresents the role of my office, and worse, misrepresents Iowa election law," Paul Pate, a Republican, said in a statement Saturday.

The mailer gave the recipient, along with their neighbors, poor grades based on their individual voting history. On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

"You are receiving this election notice because of low expected voter turnout in your area. Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors' are public record. Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday's caucuses."

He was shown a "piece" of the mailer. I'm sure out of context it would appear to be exactly how he described it.

What puzzles me, is why you guys are crying about it? No laws were broken and it's not like you were going to vote for Cruz anyhow. And you don't even live in Iowa!

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It shows that Cruz is a DECEITFUL person who will try to deceive potential voters.

Which means he has NO ETHICAL OR MORAL VALUES.

I would call that "trickery", but what is worse is telling Carson voters he's no longer in the race. That was as low as you can go.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Why are you using quotation marks when you mention official documents.

You do understand what a quote is, don't you?

BTW "Public Record" means it's open to the public and not necessarily an official document.

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The point is not what the exact dictionary definition is ... it is that they tried to convey the impression that it was an " official document ".

The size and shape and color of the the mailer all chosen to mimic government documents.

I'm sure you understand that but if you want to continue to pretend to be so obtruse .. so be it.

Iowa's secretary of state rips Ted Cruz over campaign mailer ...

www.cnn.com/.../ted-cruz-mailer-iowa-caucuses-voter-violation/


Washington (CNN)

Iowa's secretary of state on Saturday blastedTed Cruz'scampaign over a controversial mailer that aims to drive voters to the polls for Monday's caucuses by claiming they have committed "violations."

"Today I was shown a piece of literature from the Cruz for President campaign that misrepresents the role of my office, and worse, misrepresents Iowa election law," Paul Pate, a Republican, said in a statement Saturday.

The mailer gave the recipient, along with their neighbors, poor grades based on their individual voting history. On one side, the mailer reads: "ELECTION ALERT: VOTER VIOLATION," "PUBLIC RECORD" and "FURTHER ACTION NEEDED."

The other side of the mailer says "VOTING VIOLATION" in red letters at the top before text that reads:

"You are receiving this election notice because of low expected voter turnout in your area. Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors' are public record. Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday's caucuses."

He was shown a "piece" of the mailer. I'm sure out of context it would appear to be exactly how he described it.

What puzzles me, is why you guys are crying about it? No laws were broken and it's not like you were going to vote for Cruz anyhow. And you don't even live in Iowa!

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It shows that Cruz is a DECEITFUL person who will try to deceive potential voters.

Which means he has NO ETHICAL OR MORAL VALUES.

I would call that "trickery", but what is worse is telling Carson voters he's no longer in the race. That was as low as you can go.

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Yes that was another " Dirty Trick " employed by the Cruz people.

Since Carson had left Iowa and went home for clean clothes one could say that he quit instead of staying and giving speeches and shaking hands.

I'm sure they could have found a store owner who would get him some shirts or whatever clothes he needed.

Or sent an aide. It's a good question why someone who thought he had an actual chance ( he didn't ) would actually leave the state just for clean clothes.

So, in at least one sense, Carson < had > quit.

It's as though he said " well I see I have no chance of winning here so I'm going home ... see you at the next one ".

 

[Flopper]

Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.

What do you think?

You're listening to a minority of people. 150K Republicans showed up in a state that probably has around 4 to 5 million Republicans in it. This is the continual problem with Caucus states--and I believe there are only 9 states in the country that still do it.

What showed in Iowa was MARCO RUBIO. Republicans are starting to think (finally) about which candidate can win the White House--which Rubio won that answer by 54%. Cruz came in on social issues, which is very typical of Iowa and Donald Trump came in on telling it like it is. But both Trump & Cruz would be a gift to democrats and they would get creamed in a National Election.

So I think if Marco Rubio can hang in here, (donation wise) he will be the eventual nominee of the party. We'll see but this race is far from over. As this moves into the Primary ballot states, we are going to see a lot more participation which will clear the fog.

Donald Trump just got tripped up--and I think he loses momentum after losing here. All the polls showed he was well ahead of the pack and coming in second has got to hurt.

I agree, Rubio has the best chance of beating the Democrats. He can talk out of both sides of his mouth at the same time. He can convince Hispanics that he supports a path to citizenship while supporting mass deportation.

 

[Arizona Willie]

So Cruz sent out info to Carson voters that he was no longer in the race and sent out a deceptive mailer to voters.

That's TWO deceptions by him, at least.

Do you really want such a DECEPTIVE ( LYING ) person as your President?

Funny how Republicans can raise so much hell about perceived lies by Obama / Hillary but go right ahead and support ( enthusiastically ) a DEMONSTRATED LIAR as long as he's a REPUBLICAN.

 

[Flopper]

Cruz, Trump and Rubio all finished one, two, three in Iowa. The takeaway I got is this: the GOP establishment is dead. I wholeheartedly believe that. Voters have been betrayed one too many times by people they elected to represent them. People are angry. It showed tonight.

What do you think?

Mostly true...but the Rube is part of the establishment.
Which makes me happy he came in third.

The establishment is far from dead. Look at who got the votes, Senator Rubio, Senator Cruz, ex-Senator Clinton, and Senator Sanders.

What people don't understand is that you don't win elections or accomplish anything in Washington by being an outsider. At some point you have to become an insider.

 

[CowboyTed]

Carbine, I don't consider Cruz that way. I don't think he's establishment. Not by a long shot.

Cruz is a social conservative nutjob who has an irrational fear of the government.

What do you mean 'Social Conservative'?
He wants a war that will cost trillions...

There is no GOP candidate in the top three which are Social Conservatives. They are all for spending more on war...