Zone1 What has to happen for a person to be saved?

[BreezeWood]

No, Jesus said no one can enter the kingdom of God, except thru Him.


To be saved, we only need to admit to Him our sins, ask for forgiveness, repent of those sins and accept Him as our Lord and Savior.........baptism comes after that, as our sign to Him of acceptance.

Since baptism wasn't even a part of belief in God, until John The Baptist........there are millions that lived before that never were baptized and yet fully acceptable to God

again, never said by jesus ... nothing by them for verification for such a statement to have been made has ever existed.

jesus taught liberation theology, self determination as the means for judgement and admission to the everlasting - accomplished by sinning no more, the religion of antiquity - the triumph of good vs evil - made by the heavens.

 

[zaangalewa]

saved from what?

This I ask myselve too. I guess they mean in your world with "to be saved" to be redeemed [from sufferings], to be healed, to be sane.

 

[SweetSue92]

Many believe all you need to do is have faith in Christ and believe in him. Not so. Mark 16:16 says one more thing is necessary to be saved. Baptism! Jesus himself said that no man can enter into the kingdom of God except he be baptized by water and by the spirit (given the holy ghost). Care to disagree?

The verse does NOT say "ONLY those who are believe and are baptized will be saved".

And this is demonstrated by the thief on the cross.

 

[BreezeWood]

The verse does NOT say "ONLY those who are believe and are baptized will be saved".

And this is demonstrated by the thief on the cross.

But the thief repented to Jesus on the cross. That's why the thief went to paradise with Jesus instead of torment.

does the good book say whether - - they jump down and return the belongings they stole before jumping back on the cross to be saved.

howabout hitler or trump ... they wouldn't just say anything they could think of to save their own hides.

- the thief on the cross is a hard example to follow without restitution.

 

[SweetSue92]

does the good book say whether - - they jump down and return the belongings they stole before jumping back on the cross to be saved.

howabout hitler or trump ... they wouldn't just say anything they could think of to save their own hides.

- the thief on the cross is a hard example to follow without restitution.

Since this is sensible for once, here's an answer:

The Bible said faith saves, but works will flow from salvation. A thief dying on the cross is saved, but his rewards will be few.

Salvation does not mean just "saying anything". This is clear in Romans 10:9--"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

Your unreasonable intellect is obvious in that you compare Hitler to Trump. You really should stop but I know you can't at this point

 

[JustAnotherNut]

again, never said by jesus ... nothing by them for verification for such a statement to have been made has ever existed.

jesus taught liberation theology, self determination as the means for judgement and admission to the everlasting - accomplished by sinning no more, the religion of antiquity - the triumph of good vs evil - made by the heavens.

John 14:6.....Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

 

[Crepitus]

This I ask myselve too. I guess they mean in your world with "to be saved" to be redeemed [from sufferings], to be healed, to be sane.

I am not suffering, nor am I injured. And I'm sane enough not to need to push my responsibilities off on some other being.

 

[luiza]

Many believe all you need to do is have faith in Christ and believe in him. Not so. Mark 16:16 says one more thing is necessary to be saved. Baptism! Jesus himself said that no man can enter into the kingdom of God except he be baptized by water and by the spirit (given the holy ghost). Care to disagree?

Take the first step of realising that the
Abrahamic Cult Religions are Fake .

Carefully and deliberately sold to the Sheeple to keep them happily Gullible and Compliant .

Except they never understand the terrible things they entrain their little Sheeplets to believe .

Good job Universe gives them so many later chances to learn .

 

[JustAnotherNut]

As for the thief on the cross.........

Luke 23:39-42

39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

The thief had done nothing more than accept his own guilt and acknowledged Jesus's innocence and his faith in Jesus as the Son of God.


There was no baptism, nor was one demanded of him.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Take the first step of realising that the
Abrahamic Cult Religions are Fake .

Carefully and deliberately sold to the Sheeple to keep them happily Gullible and Compliant .

Except they never understand the terrible things they entrain their little Sheeplets to believe .

Good job Universe gives them so many later chances to learn .

Do not be sad for me.......if I am wrong in my beliefs, then I die just like everyone else.

But if I and the millions of other believers are right, then I will be in Paradise with a most loving, and merciful God......and you would be suffering in the fires of hell. And for that, I am sad for you

 

[Cougarbear]

No, Jesus said no one can enter the kingdom of God, except thru Him.


To be saved, we only need to admit to Him our sins, ask for forgiveness, repent of those sins and accept Him as our Lord and Savior.........baptism comes after that, as our sign to Him of acceptance.

Since baptism wasn't even a part of belief in God, until John The Baptist........there are millions that lived before that never were baptized and yet fully acceptable to God

That’s not what the scriptures say at all. Why are you unable to read? They are plainly written. Except a man be born of water he cannot be enter (saved) into the kingdom of God. Only through being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost can one show he believes in Christ. If you can’t get into the kingdom of heaven you haven’t been saved. End of story.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

That’s not what the scriptures say at all. Why are you unable to read? They are plainly written. Except a man be born of water he cannot be enter (saved) into the kingdom of God. Only through being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost can one show he believes in Christ. If you can’t get into the kingdom of heaven you haven’t been saved. End of story.

From post #26......

John 14:6.....Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

 

[Cougarbear]

Sure. When was the thief on the cross baptized?

The only way to enter into the kingdom of heaven is to be baptized. Is there something you are unable to understand? And why Jesus went to preach to the dead between death and resurrection? And why Paul used the ordinance of baptisms for the dead? Are you unable to think logically to a logic and reasonable conclusion?

 

[Cougarbear]

does the good book say whether - - they jump down and return the belongings they stole before jumping back on the cross to be saved.

howabout hitler or trump ... they wouldn't just say anything they could think of to save their own hides.

- the thief on the cross is a hard example to follow without restitution.

You need to study restitution better. You pay the best you can and leave the rest up to the atonement of Jesus Christ. Else why did Jesus go to the spirit prison to preach to them if they could not be saved? It’s also why there are degrees of glory or mansions in kingdom of heaven.

 

[buttercup]

That’s not what the scriptures say at all. Why are you unable to read? They are plainly written. Except a man be born of water he cannot be enter (saved) into the kingdom of God.

That verse is not about water baptism. It's about being born again. The "water" in that verse has been interpreted in different ways. One interpretation is that he's talking about first physical birth then spiritual birth. Another interpretation is that it's figurative for spiritual cleansing (as it says in Titus 3:5 - "the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.")

But water baptism is NOT a requirement for salvation. It is something we should do, of course. As an act of obedience to God, and as an outward expression of a true inner change that already took place. But to say it is what saves us is simply wrong. The thief on the cross is not even the only example that it is not an absolute requirement. There are numerous other examples of people getting saved in the bible without being water baptized.

Here's an article on that verse you brought up:

What does it mean to be born of water (John 3:5)? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean to be born of water (John 3:5)? Does born of water in John 3:5 refer to water baptism?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[luiza]

Do not be sad for me.......if I am wrong in my beliefs, then I die just like everyone else.

But if I and the millions of other believers are right, then I will be in Paradise with a most loving, and merciful God......and you would be suffering in the fires of hell. And for that, I am sad for you

You kid yourself if you think I have any feelings of any sort for you or anybody else .
That is the nature of existence within Universe and it’s Events Stream .
And it’s far more complex and time consuming than your quaint ideas surrounding Paradise .

Universe is much more than a Landscape Gardener and a place with Good and Bad Shops for satisfactory people and less satisfactory .
That’ s just the story for novices .

 

[Cougarbear]

That verse is not about water baptism. It's about being born again. The "water" in that verse has been interpreted in different ways. One interpretation is that he's talking about first physical birth then spiritual birth. Another interpretation is that it's figurative for spiritual cleansing (as it says in Titus 3:5 - "the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.")

But water baptism is NOT a requirement for salvation. It is something we should do, of course. As an act of obedience to God, and as an outward expression of a true inner change that already took place. But to say it is what saves us is simply wrong. The thief on the cross is not even the only example that it is not an absolute requirement. There are numerous other examples of people getting saved in the bible without being water baptized.

Here's an article on that verse you brought up:

What does it mean to be born of water (John 3:5)? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean to be born of water (John 3:5)? Does born of water in John 3:5 refer to water baptism?

www.gotquestions.org

Oh, so now we are to believe your interpretation? The scriptures are not by private interpretations. It does mean water. I suppose now you will try to deceive us by saying there was no water in the River Jordan. All you are doing is making yourself look foolish.

 

[zaangalewa]

I am not suffering,

If I see it correctly, even a Boddhisatva suffers - but of his own free will until all souls of all creatures reach Buddhahood. It's for sure not wrong to ask god and/or other human beings for help in case of sufferings.

nor am I injured.

Then you will die uninjured one day - and not like Jesus (=true god from true god) as a criminal on a cross.

Konrad Lorenz - an atheist and famous Nobel price winner - a very wise man too - had been for example "injured" when he had to watch helplessly how someone showed a totally wrong "undogly" behavior in case of his own dog. Konrad was frustrated because he knew the right way what this man had to do. And he was frustrated because the laws did not forbid this man to do what he did do. Knowledge has not only positive sides. Whatever: Konrad Lorenz was frustrated that such "evil" people exist. That was all. He did do nothing to help this concrete dog.

I don't know what he said if I had said to him in this moment: I would wish you would believe in god - then you would say something to this asshole like for example "Did you ever hear the words of Francis of Assisi? Please: Your dog is worth to be loved from you. What you are doing your dog is not able to understand: Make it better in this and this way. And do not forget: Love changes normally every problem".
Perhaps this man had not been enlightened. Perhaps this man had attacked me. Perhaps he had used this dog as a weapon against me. And because of this perhaps he had lost the right to use this weapon. Perhaps this dog had found another master. Perhaps this dog will open one day the door to heaven for me and smiles ... okay ... I'm dreaming ... but why not dreaming like a child?

And I'm sane enough not to need to push my responsibilities off on some other being.

So to whom do you justify your actions in order to subject yourself to the ultimate justice of the being although you cannot understand where you come from (also physically) and from which you do not know how it regards and retrieves you? Isn't it better to trust in the all-knowing God, who loves you more than you can imagine, than to trust “only” in yourself instead? Or do you really believe you will be free if you are your own slave?

There is a huge silence inside each of us that beckons us into itself, and the recovery of our own silence can begin to teach us the language of heaven.
Meister Eckhart

 

[BreezeWood]

John 14:6.....Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

again, never said by jesus ... nothing by them for verification for such a statement to have been made has ever existed.

the christian bible written in the 4th century during a period just short of 100 years was done so without documentation as an archive to preserve the evidence they used or hearsay as evidence used to write their book.

there never were 10 commandments claimed by moses, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid madeup by the liar abraham ... nor did jesus ever claim the multitudes found in their publication of forgeries and fallacies.

the events of the 1st century are the repudiation of judaism false commandments, hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid - and for what jesus taught ... liberation theology, self determination.

 

[buttercup]

Oh, so now we are to believe your interpretation? The scriptures are not by private interpretations. It does mean water. I suppose now you will try to deceive us by saying there was no water in the River Jordan. All you are doing is making yourself look foolish.

It's not my interpretation. This is very basic Christianity 101. The standard Christian view is NOT that water baptism is a requirement for salvation. You are adding works to the Gospel. And that is misleading people.

I didn't write that article, I just linked to it.