Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[teddyearp]

You are sick and pervert Christianity. I am sure you are all for children getting transgender 'care'.

Jesus NEVER asked this of governments. EVER. Twisting the Word like you are is not cool. Did Jesus ask Pilate these things?

 

[dudmuck]

You are sick and pervert Christianity. I am sure you are all for children getting transgender 'care'.

Jesus NEVER asked this of governments. EVER. Twisting the Word like you are is not cool. Did Jesus ask Pilate these things?

• Leviticus 19:33-34 (NIV): "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God".
• Deuteronomy 10:19 (NIV):"And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt"

• Matthew 25:35 (NIV): "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in".
• Exodus 22:21 (NIV): "Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt".
• Hebrews 13:2 (NIV): "Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it".

 

[teddyearp]

• Leviticus 19:33-34 (NIV): "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God".
• Deuteronomy 10:19 (NIV):"And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt"
• Matthew 25:35 (NIV): "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in".
• Exodus 22:21 (NIV): "Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt".
• Hebrews 13:2 (NIV): "Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it".

You're totally missing the point. Our .gov is NOT a theocracy. And it never will be untill the leftists help the Islamists take over. Then you will be begging for your life.

Its part of the first amendment, you know?

Now, go out and grab a homeless person off the street and offer them a room in your home. Ever done that? Put up one (some) of these illegals in your home. That is a person's job, not the .gov's

 

[The Irish Ram]

Kind of a deal breaker for me.

No, what Jesus said was, "I'll pay the price for your sins so you won't go to hell, and you can use my perfect sin free record to get you into Heaven with".
Does He need to do more for you?

 

[Clyde 154]

Not a straw man, an example situation that was real, during that time....

Oh for goodness sake! I am NOT judging God.....where do you get that from?

And I know we are all sinners, and all fall short of the glory of God.

And yes we do have free will to choose our path.. And sometimes that might lead to death or captivity.

Are you implying that in order to save our own life, during Hitler's time, we were suppose to support him, because he was the leader God ordained to power?

THAT is where we differ,, if I understood your point and argument?

You are not JUDGING GOD? Really? You directly questioned the WORD OF GOD......directly given to mankind for the purpose of leading mankind into God's Revealed Righteousness. You denied that God appoints/allows ALL GOVERNMENT leadership (whether they use that appointment for good or evil, depending upon their FREE WILL judgments). You rejected scripture.......Romans 13 suggesting that Hitler could not have possibly been appointed by God. The spirit of God aka the Holy Spirit inspired all scripture.

The same author was inspired to record these words from God,.

Your question concerning Hilter? God provides a way to live under evil authority, while under the protection of God. If you allow the spirit of God to lead you....aka, the revealed and written Word of God, ".....But if you are lead by THE SPIRIT (aka the Holy Spirit, the revealed Word), .............YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE law,." -- Gal. 5:18

Some might suggest the law mentioned here refers to THE LAW, the OLD TESTAMENT .........JEWISH LAW AND CUSTOM, but read in context, the content clearly points out this scripture is referring to the law of men. The passage begins by referring to the desires of the flesh and ends by pointing that such desires can be nailed to the cross of Christ........if one obey's the Gospel Truth.

Law with a small "L".......God's law will always supercede man's law, not by taking away man's law but giving one direction how to obey the appointed leadership while living by God's LAW, the WORD. Jesus Himself stated it best, "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesars' and give unto God that which is Gods'......" Matt. 22:21
Reality: "Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS......." -- 2 Tim. 3:15-17

 

[Care4all]

You are not JUDGING GOD? Really? You directly questioned the WORD OF GOD......directly given to mankind for the purpose of leading mankind into God's Revealed Righteousness. You denied that God appoints/allows ALL GOVERNMENT leadership (whether they use that appointment for good or evil, depending upon their FREE WILL judgments). You rejected scripture.......Romans 13 suggesting that Hitler could not have possibly been appointed by God. The spirit of God aka the Holy Spirit inspired all scripture.

The same author was inspired to record these words from God,.

Your question concerning Hilter? God provides a way to live under evil authority, while under the protection of God. If you allow the spirit of God to lead you....aka, the revealed and written Word of God, ".....But if you are lead by THE SPIRIT (aka the Holy Spirit, the revealed Word), .............YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE law,." -- Gal. 5:18

Some might suggest the law mentioned here refers to THE LAW, the OLD TESTAMENT .........JEWISH LAW AND CUSTOM, but read in context, the content clearly points out this scripture is referring to the law of men. The passage begins by referring to the desires of the flesh and ends by pointing that such desires can be nailed to the cross of Christ........if one obey's the Gospel Truth.

Law with a small "L".......God's law will always supercede man's law, not by taking away man's law but giving one direction how to obey the appointed leadership while living by God's LAW, the WORD. Jesus Himself stated it best, "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesars' and give unto God that which is Gods'......" Matt. 22:21
Reality: "Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS......." -- 2 Tim. 3:15-17

I said no such thing.

You are picking an argument, with yourself.

Did you follow and not criticise one peep on presidents Obama, Biden or Clinton policies or doings?

 

[hobelim]

There is no evidence god exist or does not exist

Ahem. Let me help you see the evidence. People like ding are idolators, a violation of the Law. True? According to scripture the penalty for defying this simple and easy to comply with Law is "death" a curse. True? I'm sure you noticed that even though his sin as as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field ding, like many (as the gerasene demoniac said, "we are many") "believes" he is on the way to eternal life by doing what scripture promises results in death. Being so oblivious, UNAWARE of the absurdity of what he says and does is what the authors of scripture were trying to show as evidence that God reigns over the lives and minds of people either granting or denying comprehension, life itself. Just because people are walking around with a foolish grin on their face doesn't mean they are not dead. Even when you point it out they can't see the truth. They've been abandoned to their folly.

I see the evidence of the invisible hand of God everywhere I look. Do you see what I see?

 

[Hafar1014]

Ahem. Let me help you see the evidence. People like ding are idolators, a violation of the Law. True? The penalty for defying this simple and easy to comply with command is "death" a curse. I'm sure you noticed that even though his sin as as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field he "believes" he is on the way to eternal life by doing that which scripture promises results in death. DERP. Being so oblivious, UNAWARE of the absurdity of what he says and does is what the authors of scripture were trying to described as evidence that God reigns over the lives and minds of people either granting or denying comprehension, life itself.

I see the evidence of the invisible hand of God everywhere I look. Do you see what I see?

Thats belief not evidence

 

[MarathonMike]

No, what Jesus said was, "I'll pay the price for your sins so you won't go to hell, and you can use my perfect sin free record to get you into Heaven with".
Does He need to do more for you?

Of course not, and it is perfectly fine if you believe in that premise. I personally believe in the Judaic version of the Afterlife.

 

[hobelim]

Thats belief not evidence

I disagree. It is not a belief that every fantastical story is teaching something of great value.

Everything I said is independently verifiable. What the authors were teaching by using the words like blindness (not "seeing") dead (being UNAWARE) demonic possession (being brainwashed by a "devil"), etc, are actual states of mind suffered by real people. Thats a fact. Heaven, sanity = the realm of God, hell, insanity = the realm of the dead. Real states of mind.

It is not a belief that people lose their minds. Its not a belief that they are in a living hell, beguiled by devils into artificially induced state of mind that resembles a very deep sleep.

Every time you tell someone out of the kindness of your heart they are not rational and under a strange delusion by practicing idolatry expecting eternal life you are preaching to the dead.

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They can't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they're dead."

That is not a belief. This is a fact that corresponds to and is confirmed by reality every day.

 

[Hafar1014]

I disagree. It is not a belief that every fantastical story is teaching something of great value.

Everything I said is independently verifiable. What the authors were teaching by using the words like blindness (not "seeing") dead (being UNAWARE) demonic possession (being brainwashed by a "devil"), etc, are actual states of mind suffered by real people. Thats a fact. Heaven, sanity = the realm of God, hell, insanity = the realm of the dead. Real states of mind.

It is not a belief that people lose their minds. Its not a belief that they are in a living hell, intentionally beguiled into artificially induced state of mind that resembles a very deep sleep.

Every time you tell someone out of the kindness of your heart they are not rational and under a strange delusion by practicing idolatry expecting eternal life you are preaching to the dead.

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They can't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they're dead."

That is not a belief. This is a fact that corresponds to and is confirmed by reality every day.

Belief is the mental acceptance or conviction that something is true, real, or exists, often held without absolute proof. It functions as a foundational, often subjective, mental state influencing behavior and perception. Beliefs form through experience, social conditioning, trust, and cognitive processing. They can be altered via new evidence, experiences, or shifting cultural contexts.
New Advent +4

 

[Clyde 154]

I said no such thing.

You are picking an argument, with yourself.

Did you follow and not criticise one peep on presidents Obama, Biden or Clinton policies or doings?

I have a duty to correct when confronted with false teaching. Preach the word of God, be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. -- 2 Tim. 4:2

Again with the logical fallacy/circular logic? Freedom of Speech is one of the fundamental rights of US LAW.......and in no way discharges the fact that God appoints/allows the Powers of Authority on Earth. You are free to criticize the powers that be as per the rights established under the Bill of Rights.

Hypothetical: What would happen if you indeed lived under the rule of Hitler and you openly criticized the NAZI (socialist) Party? Your premise does not logically support your conclusions. FYI: Night of the Long Knives.

There is no argument.......just a presentation of God's revealed Word, book, chapter and verse. As stated the word of God is profitable for correction. (2 Tim. 3:15-17)

 

[ding]

People like @ding are idolators…

You mean Christians? You’re a joke.

 

[hobelim]

Belief is the mental acceptance or conviction that something is true, real, or exists, often held without absolute proof.

You want proof of "devils" "the possessed" "the blind" "the deaf" "the dumb" the crippled" "the difference between "the living" and "the dead" have a few more conversations with ding and maybe your eyes will be opened. Maybe not. No one becomes a "living being" unless it has been granted him by God no matter how times they practice idolatry or refuse to see.

 

[ding]

I personally believe in the Judaic version of the Afterlife.

Which is?

 

[ding]

You want proof of "devils" "the possessed" "the blind" "the deaf" "the dumb" the crippled" "the difference between "the living" and" the dead" have a few more conversations with ding and maybe your eyes will be opened. Maybe not. No one becomes a "living being" unless it has been granted him by God no matter how times they refuse to see.

You don’t believe in God.

 

[Hafar1014]

You want proof of "devils" "the possessed" "the blind" "the deaf" "the dumb" the crippled" "the difference between "the living" and "the dead" have a few more conversations with ding and maybe your eyes will be opened. Maybe not. No one becomes a "living being" unless it has been granted him by God no matter how times they practice idolatry or refuse to see.

I do have proof of an after life by my experiences

 

[ding]

You want proof of "devils" "the possessed" "the blind" "the deaf" "the dumb" the crippled" "the difference between "the living" and "the dead" have a few more conversations with ding and maybe your eyes will be opened. Maybe not. No one becomes a "living being" unless it has been granted him by God no matter how times they practice idolatry or refuse to see.

Look at you grinding your axe at war with Christians. Your god is war. Your god is hate. Your god is division.

 

[Hafar1014]

Look at you grinding your axe at war with Christians. Your god is war. Your god is hate. Your god is division.

The hate speech always comes from you.

 

[ding]

The hate speech always comes from you.

That’s funny coming from the one who always starts it. Don’t start none and there won’t be none. Go ahead and defend hobelim’s hatred and intolerance towards Christians. You are two peas in a pod and I’ll always be here to call it out.