What happened to the Party of Worker’s rights?

[TNHarley]

The truth is, federal supremacists dont actually believe in anything. EVERYTHING (except papa gubmint) they act like they care about is a big ball of disingenuous bullshit.

 

[RodISHI]

United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) - InfluenceWatch

The United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) is the sixth-largest national labor union in the United States, representing employees in the food production, retail, and chemical industries. Although the UFCW was formerly a member of the Service Employees International Union-led Change to Win...

www.influencewatch.org

 

[B. Kidd]

The truth is, federal supremacists dont actually believe in anything. EVERYTHING (except papa gubmint) they act like they care about is a big ball of disingenuous bullshit.

Case in point of over regulation impeding progress and improvement.
Dimm's tout increased real infrastructure but Joe brings back environmental regulations last week that Trump suspended. So any real effort at real infrastructure gets delayed significantly towards completion as millions are wasted on endless environmental studies and lawsuits!
We are strangling ourselves as a result and unable to achieve any substantial future results, while frittering away multi-millions of dollars on unnecessary regulatory roadblocks.

 

[RodISHI]

I thought this was sorta interesting too.

Will Federal Employee Unions Challenge Biden’s Vaccine Mandate in Court?

Several major labor groups said they won’t, but some are leaving open the possibility.

www.govexec.com

Vaccine Mandate Frequently Asked Questions

On September 9, President Biden announced a new plan to combat the increased spread of the highly contagious Delta variant of COVID-19.

www.afge.org

THE NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL LEGAL DIVISION retains and employs 7 Attorneys (Rodney Sipes / Raymond Martinez / Jim Calle / Robert Erbe / Sherry Downer / Julie Ledesma / Jason Aldrich), 2 Paralegals and a Legal Services Plan (LSP) Case Coordinator.

Legal Division & PORAC LDF Panel Attorneys - National ...​

Legal Division & PORAC LDF Panel Attorneys - National Border Patrol Council

THE NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL LEGAL DIVISION retains and employs 7 Attorneys (Rodney Sipes / Raymond Martinez / Jim Calle / Robert Erbe / Sherry Downer / Julie Ledesma / Jason Continue Reading →

www.rgv3307.org

Member Advisory - Guidance on Religious Accommodation Requests -

How to submit a religious accommodation request asking to be exempt from the vaccine requirement based on a sincerely held religious belief: When to submit an accommodation request. Submit the accommodation request as soon as possible! The deadline to start the vaccination process in order to...

bpunion.org

 

[BluesLegend]

Dems intentionally killed millions of high paying union jobs, FACT! Sadly Dems abandoned workers to line their own pockets in deals with foreign countries and to appease their radical left wing with anti business policies and regulations.

 

[HappyJoy]

[Preface: Sometimes I do identify as a liberal, on many arguments, though mostly independent]

Any "vaccinations" in the past, historically, it was the "left" that opposed mandatory vaccines.

I guess it must be perceived as being politically pragmatic by them: whatever the conservatives don't want, they must be in favor of. Just because. Even though more level, math and science based, heads are saying "whoa, wait a minute, have these things really been proven to be safe and effective yet?".

Once again, left/liberal positions are based on whimsical and emotionally based arguments.

Not a mainstream liberal position, sorry.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So much for the democrats human infrastructure. They pretty much mean human compliance.

 

[Samofvt]

Concern for workers rights would make one a "socialist"???

It depends on the context, it seems. Personally, I'm all for workers rights, especially the right to keep intellectual property, and agreed upon labor achievements that should yield the agreed upon benefits. Big business often tries to claim these as their own. This topic is the exact opposite of workers rights.

And the OP did not use the term "Socialist" in the Original Post...but if the shoe fits...wear it.

 

[Samofvt]

Not a mainstream liberal position, sorry.

And so it seems the mainstream liberal doctrine doesn't even know what it is professing itself, as long as it is the opposite of conservative thinking.

 

[HappyJoy]

And so it seems the mainstream liberal doctrine doesn't even know what it is professing itself, as long as it is the opposite of conservative thinking.

No, literally by far most liberals are not anti-vax and it's always been that way.

 

[Samofvt]

No, literally by far most liberals are not anti-vax and it's always been that way.

Beg your pardon? Here is just one source out of thousands (besides my own personal memories) that contradict your statement:

"Back when I started covering the anti-vaccination movement more than a decade ago, the loudest voices came from politically liberal, mostly white, and affluent enclaves—think famously hippie places like Marin County, California, or Boulder, Colorado—where parents worried about the side effects of what they perceive as toxins in vaccines. Anti-vaxxers in these places tended to pride themselves on the purity of their lifestyles—they bought organic groceries, railed against genetically modified food, and were suspicious of the electromagnetic waves emitted by cellphones. In a 2012 Parade magazine article, Seth Mnookin, author of The Panic Virus: A True Story of Medicine, Science, and Fear, described anti-vax clusters as places “where parents are often focused on being environmentally conscious and paying close attention to every aspect of their children’s development.”

The anti-vax movement’s radical shift from crunchy granola purists to far-right crusaders

The transition is supercharged by Trump and the coronavirus.

www.motherjones.com

 

[HappyJoy]

Beg your pardon? Here is just one source out of thousands (besides my own personal memories) that contradict your statement:

"Back when I started covering the anti-vaccination movement more than a decade ago, the loudest voices came from politically liberal, mostly white, and affluent enclaves—think famously hippie places like Marin County, California, or Boulder, Colorado—where parents worried about the side effects of what they perceive as toxins in vaccines. Anti-vaxxers in these places tended to pride themselves on the purity of their lifestyles—they bought organic groceries, railed against genetically modified food, and were suspicious of the electromagnetic waves emitted by cellphones. In a 2012 Parade magazine article, Seth Mnookin, author of The Panic Virus: A True Story of Medicine, Science, and Fear, described anti-vax clusters as places “where parents are often focused on being environmentally conscious and paying close attention to every aspect of their children’s development.”

The anti-vax movement’s radical shift from crunchy granola purists to far-right crusaders

The transition is supercharged by Trump and the coronavirus.

www.motherjones.com

You're not comprehending what I'm saying.

The majority of liberals, not antivaxers. How does that contradict your source?

 

[Samofvt]

Let me say it again: it's not that conservatives are "anti-vaccination", it's that many want to be shown proof of safety and efficacy. So far, both have failed dramatically. It is a moronic perversion of the socialist agenda that "anything the government mandates, must be good for everyone, whether you agree or not, you have to fall in line"

Anyway, as far as I'm aware, there is little difference in vaccination rates among conservatives and liberals.

 

[Samofvt]

No, literally by far most liberals are not anti-vax and it's always been that way.

Did you read what you posted, or are you one of those who just types shit and hits "post reply" without thinking?

 

[HappyJoy]

Let me say it again: it's not that conservatives are "anti-vaccination", it's that many want to be shown proof of safety and efficacy. So far, both have failed dramatically. It is a moronic perversion of the socialist agenda that "anything the government mandates, must be good for everyone, whether you agree or not, you have to fall in line"

Anyway, as far as I'm aware, there is little difference in vaccination rates among conservatives and liberals.

Nobody said everything the government mandates is good. Government is a tool that can be used for good or bad, nothing more, nothing less.

There is little evidence that the COVID vaccine is dangerous or unsafe, quite the opposite actually. To be a wingnut antivaxer isn't about wanting a safe or effective vaccine it's to be contrarian to anything the government does mixed with a good dose of grifters willing to play you idiots for the fools you are.

Die, I don't care, but stop fucking whining about it. You don't like mandates? Win a fucking election instead of pissing your pants because some asshole told you to in the name of freedumb.

Bunch of whiny ass pussies. Either be revolutionary or suck your thumbs, can't have it both ways.

 

[Samofvt]

Nobody said everything the government mandates is good. Government is a tool that can be used for good or bad, nothing more, nothing less.

There is little evidence that the COVID vaccine is dangerous or unsafe, quite the opposite actually.

There are more *reported* adverse reactions for this vaccine than all vaccinations COMBINED over the past 20 years. I don't have a link handy, but some analysts believe the number of reported cases are LESS than 1/4 of actual cases, including deaths:

• 778,683 COVID Vaccine Adverse Event Reports x 4 = 3,114,732 ADVERSE REACTIONS, CONSERVATIVELY
• 16,310 COVID Vaccine Reported Deaths x 4 = 65,240 DEATHS (CONSERVATIVELY)

You must be living under a literal ROCK not to notice the number of people adversely affected. In my own circles, more people have been crippled or died from the vaccination than have even been hospitalized by the coronavirus.

To be a wingnut antivaxer isn't about wanting a safe or effective vaccine it's to be contrarian to anything the government does mixed with a good dose of grifters willing to play you idiots for the fools you are.

Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me again and I will be a fool. Not until then.

Die, I don't care, but stop fucking whining about it. You don't like mandates? Win a fucking election instead of pissing your pants because some asshole told you to in the name of freedumb.

Bunch of whiny ass pussies. Either be revolutionary or suck your thumbs, can't have it both ways.

Go ahead and take that vaccine that requires another dose every 6 months, and that carries the same high risks as the first one you took. I'll wait until there is a sensible solution that doesn't involve taking a huge risk every jab. No whining here, just facts. Maybe you should stop whining about people exercising their best judgement when it comes to their own health care?

Furthermore, in my state, they have achieved one of the highest vaccination rates in the country (almost 80% fully vaccinated). Guess what? Today we had the second highest positive case count. Not only that, but for the month of September, 78% of DEATHS were fully vaccinated. Hm. Sounds like it's a failure to me, but I'll let you use your own judgement and take action for yourself without whining that you are putting yourself at undue risk by getting that jab. I believe it's your own decision and I can't make it for you.

 

[HappyJoy]

There are more *reported* adverse reactions for this vaccine than all vaccinations COMBINED over the past 20 years. I don't have a link handy, but some analysts believe the number of reported cases are LESS than 1/4 of actual cases, including deaths:

• 778,683 COVID Vaccine Adverse Event Reports x 4 = 3,114,732 ADVERSE REACTIONS, CONSERVATIVELY
• 16,310 COVID Vaccine Reported Deaths x 4 = 65,240 DEATHS (CONSERVATIVELY)

Globally, out of over 6.5 billion shots given. And VAERS isn't even confirmed numbers just raw reporting. You're super dumb.

That comes out to a reaction percentage of what? .01197%. I had a reaction, my arm was sore for a couple hours. How many people reported minor inconveniences?

How about deaths. .001%.

Did you know that of the total population of Mississippi more than 1 out of 300 people have died of COVID? That's not just of who got COVID but the entire population of the state.

Some analysts? Fuck you, you don't even understand basic math I have no interest on who you consider an analyst.

You must be living under a literal ROCK not to notice the number of people adversely affected. In my own circles, more people have been crippled or died from the vaccination than have even been hospitalized.

Safe to say we straightened that out.

Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me again and I will be a fool. Not until then.

Go ahead and take that vaccine that requires another dose every 6 months, and that carries the same high risks as the first one you took. I'll wait until there is a sensible solution that doesn't involve taking a huge risk every jab. No whining here, just facts. Maybe you should stop whining about people exercising their best judgement when it comes to their own health care?

High risks? A brainfreeze from a milkshake has more "high risk".

Furthermore, in my state, they have achieved one of the highest vaccination rates in the country (almost 80% fully vaccinated). Guess what? Today we had the second highest positive case count.

What, California? They just happen to have the highest population so often they will be up their in raw numbers. How is the state doing per capita compared to other states? I bet most of them were unvaccinated too.

Not only that, but for the month of September, 78% of DEATHS were fully vaccinated.

This is where a link would be a good idea for you.

Hm. Sounds like it's a failure to me, but I'll let you use your own judgement and take action for yourself without whining that you are putting yourself at undue risk by getting that jab. I believe it's your own decision and I can't make it for you.

Yes, I think I will use my own judgement.

 

[theHawk]

Because, safety of employees is a right.
You should be able to work with as much protection from dangers as possible.
Customers should be able to shop, eat and drink in safety.

'They are literally cheering for big corporations to force their employees to get vaccinated'
So, if you want a construction job, you are 'forced' to wear safety glasses, hard hat, work boots and obey safety rules.
It's your 'right' not to wear them but not on a construction site, your 'right' is gone.
Employers don't run democracies.

You cannot force someone to get an experimental vaccine for the safety of others. The others have the ability to get the shot if they want. Or are you claiming that unvaccinated are demanding that other unvaccinated get vaccinated?

 

[Samofvt]

Globally, out of over 6.5 billion shots given. And VAERS isn't even confirmed numbers just raw reporting. You're super dumb.

"You're super dumb"

Hum. Sounds like Ad Hominem. I may be super dumb, considering I'm bothering to read your obviously ignorant response...let's see....

That comes out to a reaction percentage of what? .01197%. I had a reaction, my arm was sore for a couple hours. How many people reported minor inconveniences?

How about deaths. .001%.

Did you know that of the total population of Mississippi more than 1 out of 300 people have died of COVID? That's not just of who got COVID but the entire population of the state.

So lets see. According to the US Census bureau, the population of Mississippi in 2019 was 2,976,149. Don't know what the real number is, because the 2020 census got derailed by the democrats and by the pandemic. Assuming that number is ballpark, 1 in 300 means that 9,920 people died from flu-like symptoms, possibly related to COVID-19? That's 0.33% of the population? Over a two year period? That's 0.167% per year? HAHAHAH. I'm not laughing because it's wrong, but because you have no idea what you are talking about in relative terms!!!

Let's try this: How many people died in Mississippi from CARDIOVASCULAR disease or CANCER during the same TWO YEAR PERIOD? Go ahead, I'll wait.

Some analysts? Fuck you, you don't even understand basic math I have no interest on who you consider an analyst.

Ok, again with the Ad Hominem. I'll ignore that in hopes of better arguments you may have in the future.

Safe to say we straightened that out.



High risks? A brainfreeze from a milkshake has more "high risk".



What, California? They just happen to have the highest population so often they will be up their in raw numbers. How is the state doing per capita compared to other states? I bet most of them were unvaccinated too.



This is where a link would be a good idea for you.



Yes, I think I will use my own judgement.

Whew. I almost thought you might come up with something substantial.

It's ok, go ahead and use your best judgement. I'm ok with that. I prefer it that way. Hopefully you can extend the same trust toward others with different opinions?

 

[Smokin' OP]

And you have the right to refuse to divulge. Walk out and find a different job.

Correct.