What exactly is the "one state solution"?

[rhodescholar]

Religion alone doesn't mean a common culture nor does that reasoning give ANYONE a right to uproot a people and expell them.

So that gives them a pass for their ******* shit behavior?

Tell that to the yazidis, coptics and maronites, who the arab muslims are slaughtering RIGHT NOW, or to the over 1 MM jews who were ethnically cleansed out of arab countries. When the arab muslims start making amends for their horrible past and improving their current awful behavior, THEN I would be open to discussing the Israel situation.

Let me refine my earlier question: when have the arab muslims shown any tolerance for the sovereign rights of others in the mideast?

 

[montelatici]

Syria, Iraq, before the U.S. attack on Iraq, Lebanon.

 

[montelatici]

Just a few questions...

Sure, as soon as you answer the one I've posted numerous times.

What does this have to do with the topic here? Do you agree that there are also Jews who are the descendents of the people that have always lived in Palestine? In what way do you think it relevant in maintaining this argument of immigration on virtually every thread? It's 2017, is it not time to stop the never ending bickering about 'ancient history' and looking forward, not back? I'm an immigrant... Choosing to live in a country other than that of my birth... An immigrant 4 times!! I have a birth country but my 'roots', my ancestry comes from several countries! Does that mean I have a claim on those countries?

As I mentioned above, there has NEVER been an instance where arab muslims have tolerated the sovereign rights of non-muslims as equals in the mideast; they have played stupid, useful idiot Westerners' guilt and desire for peace to their advantage, along with luring racist, lying trash like monte et al to their "cause." arafat knew that Westerners like to solve problems and move forward, so he promulgated the lie that if only the Israelis would give up some land there would be peace, which he knew that was a total fabrication/nonsense.

Israel has given up land in Lebanon and Gaza, and chunks of the West bank and guess what? Have the arab turds shown ANY indication that they will stop the terrorism/violence? Not in the least. Until the arab muslims are either un-brainwashed of the cancer that is islam, are totally eradicated, or beaten down so hard and penned in a region where they cannot leave - held at the point of a gun, which I'd accept for all of them, they will NEVER stop fighting, ever.

Their goal is World conquest, as the events in London today showed YET AGAIN. There is no peace with them, in the mideast or anywhere else. They exist in a supremist bubble fed by a death cult/fake religion called islam. This is not politically correct - it is FACT.

1. I never lie, I present facts.
2. I dislike Islam more than you do, it is a repressive supremacist sect, like Judaism. I mean who else represent themselves as the "chosen people" except maybe the Nazis.
3. The Zionists have never given up land, they have returned some of the land they have stolen.
4. The plain fact is that the Muslims and Christians were living in Palestine and European Zionists invaded and colonized the land and became their rulers through the force of British arms.

 

[Hollie]

Just a few questions...

Sure, as soon as you answer the one I've posted numerous times.

What does this have to do with the topic here? Do you agree that there are also Jews who are the descendents of the people that have always lived in Palestine? In what way do you think it relevant in maintaining this argument of immigration on virtually every thread? It's 2017, is it not time to stop the never ending bickering about 'ancient history' and looking forward, not back? I'm an immigrant... Choosing to live in a country other than that of my birth... An immigrant 4 times!! I have a birth country but my 'roots', my ancestry comes from several countries! Does that mean I have a claim on those countries?

As I mentioned above, there has NEVER been an instance where arab muslims have tolerated the sovereign rights of non-muslims as equals in the mideast; they have played stupid, useful idiot Westerners' guilt and desire for peace to their advantage, along with luring racist, lying trash like monte et al to their "cause." arafat knew that Westerners like to solve problems and move forward, so he promulgated the lie that if only the Israelis would give up some land there would be peace, which he knew that was a total fabrication/nonsense.

Israel has given up land in Lebanon and Gaza, and chunks of the West bank and guess what? Have the arab turds shown ANY indication that they will stop the terrorism/violence? Not in the least. Until the arab muslims are either un-brainwashed of the cancer that is islam, are totally eradicated, or beaten down so hard and penned in a region where they cannot leave - held at the point of a gun, which I'd accept for all of them, they will NEVER stop fighting, ever.

Their goal is World conquest, as the events in London today showed YET AGAIN. There is no peace with them, in the mideast or anywhere else. They exist in a supremist bubble fed by a death cult/fake religion called islam. This is not politically correct - it is FACT.

1. I never lie, I present facts.
2. I dislike Islam more than you do, it is a repressive supremacist sect, like Judaism. I mean who else represent themselves as the "chosen people" except maybe the Nazis.
3. The Zionists have never given up land, they have returned some of the land they have stolen.
4. The plain fact is that the Muslims and Christians were living in Palestine and European Zionists invaded and colonized the land and became their rulers through the force of British arms.

Well that's strange. The European xtians invaded and stole land through the use of force and supremacist ideas.

 

[Slyhunter]

This thread is NOT about the origins of peoples or states or who was where and when - we have threads dedicated to that already so no more derailing. Get back on topic - is one state feasable? What would it look like? This thread will be cleaned.

The problem is only a nutcase would think one state is feasible when the Arab's refuse to say Israelites have a right to life anywhere in the Middle East.

 

[Shusha]

The problem is only a nutcase would think one state is feasible when the Arab's refuse to say Israelites have a right to life anywhere in the Middle East.

The only ones who are even considering the idea of a one state solution on this board are those whose goal is to destroy Israel one way or another.

 

[montelatici]

The problem is only a nutcase would think one state is feasible when the Arab's refuse to say Israelites have a right to life anywhere in the Middle East.

The only ones who are even considering the idea of a one state solution on this board are those whose goal is to destroy Israel one way or another.

There is today only one state that controls the area. The one state solution is a fait accompli.

 

[rhodescholar]

1. I never lie, I present facts.

Except when you get caught lying, which is quite often. So is jewishvirtuallibrary an acceptable source this week, or is it next week? Make up your mind, idiot asshole.

2. I dislike Islam more than you do,

Sure you do, which is why you post only anti-Israel lies/bile in this forum. ******* moron.

it is a repressive supremacist sect, like Judaism.

How is judaism repressive, retard since Western democracy is based upon christian-judeo principles?

I mean who else represent themselves as the "chosen people" except maybe the Nazis.

ALL groups of people believe they are unique or special, only c-nts like you spend hour after hour attacking jews for it.

3. The Zionists have never given up land, they have returned some of the land they have stolen.

Land held in defensive wars is not stolen, mongoloidal jackass.

4. The plain fact is that the Muslims and Christians were living in Palestine and European Zionists invaded and colonized the land and became their rulers through the force of British arms.

Israeli jews have no issues with christians there - it was arab muslim ******* trash who urinated and desicrated the church of nativity, and have been expelling christians out of gaza and the rest of the mideast.

You are lying, unintelligent vermin.

 

[rhodescholar]

To the jew-hating dogshit, I'll ask the question again: when have the arab muslims EVER accepted the sovereign rights of non-muslims as equals in the mideast?

 

[montelatici]

1. I never lie, I present facts.

Except when you get caught lying, which is quite often. So is jewishvirtuallibrary an acceptable source this week, or is it next week? Make up your mind, idiot asshole.

2. I dislike Islam more than you do,

Sure you do, which is why you post only anti-Israel lies/bile in this forum. ******* moron.

it is a repressive supremacist sect, like Judaism.

How is judaism repressive, retard since Western democracy is based upon christian-judeo principles?

I mean who else represent themselves as the "chosen people" except maybe the Nazis.

ALL groups of people believe they are unique or special, only c-nts like you spend hour after hour attacking jews for it.

3. The Zionists have never given up land, they have returned some of the land they have stolen.

Land held in defensive wars is not stolen, mongoloidal jackass.

4. The plain fact is that the Muslims and Christians were living in Palestine and European Zionists invaded and colonized the land and became their rulers through the force of British arms.

Israeli jews have no issues with christians there - it was arab muslim ******* trash who urinated and desicrated the church of nativity, and have been expelling christians out of gaza and the rest of the mideast.

You are lying, unintelligent vermin.

I only present fact. The Franciscans supported the Palestinians at the church of the Nativity. The Jews despise Christians and would expel them if they could, but we are too powerful.

 

[Shusha]

I only present fact. The Franciscans supported the Palestinians at the church of the Nativity. The Jews despise Christians and would expel them if they could, but we are too powerful.

Monte facts:

Jews despise Christians.
Jews would expel Christians if they could.
Jews can't expel Christians because Christians are too powerful.

Do you hear yourself? Do you know what a "fact" is?

 

[Humanity]

Just a few questions...

Sure, as soon as you answer the one I've posted numerous times.

What does this have to do with the topic here? Do you agree that there are also Jews who are the descendents of the people that have always lived in Palestine? In what way do you think it relevant in maintaining this argument of immigration on virtually every thread? It's 2017, is it not time to stop the never ending bickering about 'ancient history' and looking forward, not back? I'm an immigrant... Choosing to live in a country other than that of my birth... An immigrant 4 times!! I have a birth country but my 'roots', my ancestry comes from several countries! Does that mean I have a claim on those countries?

As I mentioned above, there has NEVER been an instance where arab muslims have tolerated the sovereign rights of non-muslims as equals in the mideast; they have played stupid, useful idiot Westerners' guilt and desire for peace to their advantage, along with luring racist, lying trash like monte et al to their "cause." arafat knew that Westerners like to solve problems and move forward, so he promulgated the lie that if only the Israelis would give up some land there would be peace, which he knew that was a total fabrication/nonsense.

Israel has given up land in Lebanon and Gaza, and chunks of the West bank and guess what? Have the arab turds shown ANY indication that they will stop the terrorism/violence? Not in the least. Until the arab muslims are either un-brainwashed of the cancer that is islam, are totally eradicated, or beaten down so hard and penned in a region where they cannot leave - held at the point of a gun, which I'd accept for all of them, they will NEVER stop fighting, ever.

Their goal is World conquest, as the events in London today showed YET AGAIN. There is no peace with them, in the mideast or anywhere else. They exist in a supremist bubble fed by a death cult/fake religion called islam. This is not politically correct - it is FACT.

1. I never lie, I present facts.
2. I dislike Islam more than you do, it is a repressive supremacist sect, like Judaism. I mean who else represent themselves as the "chosen people" except maybe the Nazis.
3. The Zionists have never given up land, they have returned some of the land they have stolen.
4. The plain fact is that the Muslims and Christians were living in Palestine and European Zionists invaded and colonized the land and became their rulers through the force of British arms.

Thanks for trying at least....

Just didn't quite manage to answer a single question there!

 

[emilynghiem]

1. I never lie, I present facts.

Except when you get caught lying, which is quite often. So is jewishvirtuallibrary an acceptable source this week, or is it next week? Make up your mind, idiot asshole.

2. I dislike Islam more than you do,

Sure you do, which is why you post only anti-Israel lies/bile in this forum. ******* moron.

it is a repressive supremacist sect, like Judaism.

How is judaism repressive, retard since Western democracy is based upon christian-judeo principles?

I mean who else represent themselves as the "chosen people" except maybe the Nazis.

ALL groups of people believe they are unique or special, only c-nts like you spend hour after hour attacking jews for it.

3. The Zionists have never given up land, they have returned some of the land they have stolen.

Land held in defensive wars is not stolen, mongoloidal jackass.

4. The plain fact is that the Muslims and Christians were living in Palestine and European Zionists invaded and colonized the land and became their rulers through the force of British arms.

Israeli jews have no issues with christians there - it was arab muslim ******* trash who urinated and desicrated the church of nativity, and have been expelling christians out of gaza and the rest of the mideast.

You are lying, unintelligent vermin.

Dear rhodescholar
ideally, if Jewish/Christian/Muslim teachings were followed consistently all three would be in harmony under Biblical law and authority from the one God.

However, in reality that unity spiritually and politically is not seen in the mass chaos and majority who are at war. (Peaceful coexistence and cross-inclusion may be found among peaceful groups and followers, but not so much among the "more vocal visible and violent groups" we tend to see more of in the media)

Instead we see
* extreme ZIONISTS who depart from Christianity and start worshipping Antichrist/Retribution and preaching ARMAGGEDDON or spiritual warfare
* extreme JIHADISTS who depart from Muslim spiritual teachings
and start worshipping JIHAD as SPIRITUAL WARFARE

So both the Christians will say NO, these "extreme Zionists CULTS" (eg Post-Millenial Dispensationalists, or some of the Aryan Nationalist CULTS) ARE NOT CHRISTIAN!

And the MUSLIMS will say NO, these "Jihadist TERRORISTS" are NOT REAL MUSLIM FOLLOWERS but a violent militant cult.

So both you and others have valid points when it comes to these complaints. I find there are mutual problems on both sides, which are compounding the issues!

 

[emilynghiem]

To the jew-hating dogshit, I'll ask the question again: when have the arab muslims EVER accepted the sovereign rights of non-muslims as equals in the mideast?

Good question and point rhodescholar

Perhaps if we asked the PEOPLE, including human rights lawyers, teachers and students in these countries, and the clergy working for peace between people of all affiliations,
maybe we'd get a different answer and perception.

If we keep basing public perception and policy on which "Muslim or Jewish" leaders shout the loudest, CLAIMING to represent the people, we get biased rhetoric.

Either way, if you ask Muslims in America, why do you think they flee those countries to come here? American govt is SUPPOSED to protect free exercise of religion and PREVENT establishment through govt.

The Middle East, and the spread of Islamic oppression through Africa and Europe, SHOWS what goes wrong when limits on govt AREN'T ENFORCED so that POLITICAL RELIGIONS can take over.

That's what I get from your point -- what Arab countries/govt have lived up to the democratic ideal of religious freedom and inclusion?

I blame the political structures of GOVT that don't have strong enough checks against ABUSES as the Constitution provides for in America. Once that is hijacked, then ANY religion whether Jihadist or Zionist can be abused to impose political dominance without check.

(Sadly rhodescholar we in America may be learning this same lesson the HARD WAY. By ALSO falling prey to POLITICAL RELIGIONS OR PARTIES imposing THEIR beliefs through govt and overriding Constitutional checks and balances put in place to PREVENT such abuses.

How can we criticize "political religious abusers" overseas and not criticize our own parties for similar "bullying and oppressive" tactics ??)

 

[Lipush]

To the jew-hating dogshit, I'll ask the question again: when have the arab muslims EVER accepted the sovereign rights of non-muslims as equals in the mideast?

Good question and point rhodescholar

Perhaps if we asked the PEOPLE, including human rights lawyers, teachers and students in these countries, and the clergy working for peace between people of all affiliations,
maybe we'd get a different answer and perception.

If we keep basing public perception and policy on which "Muslim or Jewish" leaders shout the loudest, CLAIMING to represent the people, we get biased rhetoric.

Either way, if you ask Muslims in America, why do you think they flee those countries to come here? American govt is SUPPOSED to protect free exercise of religion and PREVENT establishment through govt.

The Middle East, and the spread of Islamic oppression through Africa and Europe, SHOWS what goes wrong when limits on govt AREN'T ENFORCED so that POLITICAL RELIGIONS can take over.

That's what I get from your point -- what Arab countries/govt have lived up to the democratic ideal of religious freedom and inclusion?

I blame the political structures of GOVT that don't have strong enough checks against ABUSES as the Constitution provides for in America. Once that is hijacked, then ANY religion whether Jihadist or Zionist can be abused to impose political dominance without check.

(Sadly rhodescholar we in America may be learning this same lesson the HARD WAY. By ALSO falling prey to POLITICAL RELIGIONS OR PARTIES imposing THEIR beliefs through govt and overriding Constitutional checks and balances put in place to PREVENT such abuses.

How can we criticize "political religious abusers" overseas and not criticize our own parties for similar "bullying and oppressive" tactics ??)

They've asked and have all the answers.

 

[rhodescholar]

Another pointless post by you.... Congratulations! Did you actually deal with any question in the list? NO! Start your own thread for your dumb question dumbass and you might get some replies!!

Idiot asshole, the question is at the very core of the arab-Israel conflict as arab muslims simply do not tolerate the rights of non-muslims in the mideast, and frequently do not tolerate their EXISTENCE there. Since that is the factual case, one state, ten states, 100 of them, a state solely for jews and one solely for arabs are all window dressing nonsense; there are NO scenarios where arab muslims will accept jews having their own sovereign state, nor will they tolerate them in the mideast for long as they are ethnically cleansing all other non-muslims out of the region.

The issue isn't you don't like the question or that you actually believe it is irrelevant; your issue is that you KNOW what I've written is accurate and that it totally destroys your idealistic dreamworld-solution where the arabs will tolerate the jews in some way - that it just needs to be "figured out", which deep down you and every other leftist fraud knows is utter garbage - you just lack the honesty and character to admit it.

 

[rhodescholar]

1. I never lie, I present facts.

Except when you get caught lying, which is quite often. So is jewishvirtuallibrary an acceptable source this week, or is it next week? Make up your mind, idiot asshole.

2. I dislike Islam more than you do,

Sure you do, which is why you post only anti-Israel lies/bile in this forum. ******* moron.

it is a repressive supremacist sect, like Judaism.

How is judaism repressive, retard since Western democracy is based upon christian-judeo principles?

I mean who else represent themselves as the "chosen people" except maybe the Nazis.

ALL groups of people believe they are unique or special, only c-nts like you spend hour after hour attacking jews for it.

3. The Zionists have never given up land, they have returned some of the land they have stolen.

Land held in defensive wars is not stolen, mongoloidal jackass.

4. The plain fact is that the Muslims and Christians were living in Palestine and European Zionists invaded and colonized the land and became their rulers through the force of British arms.

Israeli jews have no issues with christians there - it was arab muslim ******* trash who urinated and desicrated the church of nativity, and have been expelling christians out of gaza and the rest of the mideast.

You are lying, unintelligent vermin.

Dear rhodescholar
ideally, if Jewish/Christian/Muslim teachings were followed consistently all three would be in harmony under Biblical law and authority from the one God.

However, in reality that unity spiritually and politically is not seen in the mass chaos and majority who are at war. (Peaceful coexistence and cross-inclusion may be found among peaceful groups and followers, but not so much among the "more vocal visible and violent groups" we tend to see more of in the media)

Instead we see
* extreme ZIONISTS who depart from Christianity and start worshipping Antichrist/Retribution and preaching ARMAGGEDDON or spiritual warfare
* extreme JIHADISTS who depart from Muslim spiritual teachings
and start worshipping JIHAD as SPIRITUAL WARFARE

So both the Christians will say NO, these "extreme Zionists CULTS" (eg Post-Millenial Dispensationalists, or some of the Aryan Nationalist CULTS) ARE NOT CHRISTIAN!

And the MUSLIMS will say NO, these "Jihadist TERRORISTS" are NOT REAL MUSLIM FOLLOWERS but a violent militant cult.

So both you and others have valid points when it comes to these complaints. I find there are mutual problems on both sides, which are compounding the issues!

Your moral equvalency is ridiculous, and you are fundamentally wrong on several counts:

1) judaism and most christian sects endured significant reformations centuries ago, and renounced the violent portions of their sacred texts

2) muslims claim that the koran is straight from God's mouth - and cannot be altered, therefore no reformation of islam is possible

3) the sheer volume and mass number of muslim-directed attacks is strong proof that the terrorists and their supporters (many of such turds can be found in this section of the forum) are no minority or discredited small group. Polls in muslim countries have consistently shown widespread support for terrorism.

You liberal idealists/dreamers are going to have reality brought to you REAL SOON by a muslim near you, MAYBE then you'll wake up to it.

 

[rhodescholar]

The Middle East, and the spread of Islamic oppression through Africa and Europe, SHOWS what goes wrong when limits on govt AREN'T ENFORCED so that POLITICAL RELIGIONS can take over.

You once again proceed from a false understanding of islam and its plan design; it and its practitioners do not consider it a "religion" as a Westerner might - it is a complete and total way of living from family to work to the government. Akin to nazism, it is to guide its followers in all aspects of their existence, so its followers cannot separate or distinguish the spiritual from the governmental/authoritative components, they are all unified.

This is why, despite laughable claims by the clueless but possibly well-meaning dreamers like coyote that "muslims are made up of separate and distinct cultures" are utterly meaningless - had that mattered some of their countries from africa to the phillippines would have been closer to a Western democracy BUT NONE OF THEM ARE. NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM COUNTRY even remotely resembles a Western democracy, none.

 

[emilynghiem]

The Middle East, and the spread of Islamic oppression through Africa and Europe, SHOWS what goes wrong when limits on govt AREN'T ENFORCED so that POLITICAL RELIGIONS can take over.

You once again proceed from a false understanding of islam and its plan design; it and its practitioners do not consider it a "religion" as a Westerner might - it is a complete and total way of living from family to work to the government. Akin to nazism, it is to guide its followers in all aspects of their existence, so its followers cannot separate or distinguish the spiritual from the governmental/authoritative components, they are all unified.

This is why, despite laughable claims by the clueless but possibly well-meaning dreamers like coyote that "muslims are made up of separate and distinct cultures" are utterly meaningless - had that mattered some of their countries from africa to the phillippines would have been closer to a Western democracy BUT NONE OF THEM ARE. NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM COUNTRY even remotely resembles a Western democracy, none.

Hi rhodescholar I do not disagree with you AT ALL
that MANY fundamentalist followers and countries follow this political religion you describe. And I TOTALLY AGREE
with you that the liberal apologists in denial of this are part of the dangers and reason the genocide is going unchecked. It is VERY Dangerous and YES this needs to be taken seriously!

This does NOT NEGATE at all the fact that MANY Muslims
are like Christians, Buddhists, Hindus Atheists etc who respect CIVIL GOVT and AUTHORITY as law, and practice
their faith IN HARMONY with that.

These groups ALL exist.

It is NOT either/or.

You remind me of people arguing if all gays are unnatural sick
people who choose "aberrant behavior" or if all gays are naturally born that way and there is nothing wrong with them. And the reality is BOTH cases occur, so there is no reason to argue it's all one way or the other.

Just because there are naturally gay people and couples out there, DOES NOT EXCUSE OR DISCREDIT THE REALITY THAT SOME GAY PEOPLE ARE VERY SICK AND ABUSIVE TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS.

Likewise, just because there are peaceful Muslims does not mean the Islamists and Jihadists are not a threat because they are

 

[emilynghiem]

BTW RE:

This is why, despite laughable claims by the clueless but possibly well-meaning dreamers like coyote that "muslims are made up of separate and distinct cultures" are utterly meaningless - had that mattered some of their countries from africa to the phillippines would have been closer to a Western democracy BUT NONE OF THEM ARE. NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM COUNTRY even remotely resembles a Western democracy, none.

rhodescholar it isn't just because other countries are Muslim.

Can you name ONE other country like America that has BOTH the foundations based on Constitutionalism/natural laws
AND Judeo-Christian scriptural laws as the defining CULTURAL traditions?

THAT's what gives us the advantage, it takes BOTH.
the church laws and the state laws to be in harmony
and checking and balancing each other.

It's not just Muslim/Arab cultures that don't have this,
but any and all other countries which suffer ABUSES of govt authority for lack of Constitutional limits checks balances and due process.

Look at China.

Can you blame their oppressive govt on Islam?
So the problem is bigger than that.

The problem is either
not checking church, state, or other "collective" authority
against abuse or oppression.

In America, both Christian and Constitutional practices teach forms of DUE PROCESS to redress grievances for sake of justice.

Name one country that has both of these traditions.
Besides America. And that explains the central role
that our country plays in political social and spiritual development. We have freedom of speech and press
in order to PETITION for redress of grievances that other countries don't have. Arab, Muslim or not.

That's our saving grace.