What drives anti-government extremists?

It's a load of crap.

Anti-government extremist want government to leave them alone, they aren't making a statement about what they want government to be. They want government to not be in their business.

Liberal's identity is so tied up in government, you can't even comprehend the idea that someone's identity isn't.

The problem with your question is you didn't define what you view as an extremist. Are you talking about the violent ones like Timothy McVie? Or do you consider libertarians extremists like Jake does. We are completely different animals.

I didn't SAY government. I said America. To reiterate, I said the following:

It's a hatred for America because it's not a reflection of the way they want it to be and think it should be.​

It's their hatred for the way that America is that drives their anti-American sentiments and anti-American feelings. They may very well blame gov't for some of it, but certainly not all of it. They blame other groups of people who are not like them. Those other groups have agendas different than theirs, maybe even opposed to what they want. They believe that THEIR America is slipping away from them, and by their America I don't just mean the kind of nation they want. I also mean a nation that belongs to them which used to grant people like them preferential treatment. They don't care about E Pluribus Unum unless they can be first among so-called equals. This is where their problem with gov't begins because the gov't is no longer consistently or automatically siding with them just because of who they are. Often when they talk about a loss of their rights, that's what they really mean.
Disdain for tyrannical government is not hating America.

But, like kaz said, the progressive identity is so intertwined with government, that the two are believed to be one in the same.

As usual both you and kaz are wrong, as is anyone else who believes Americans are subject to a 'tyrannical government,' as nothing could be further from the truth.

Indeed, more Americans enjoy greater freedom and liberty today than at any time in this Nation's history.

This nonsense about 'tyrannical government' is nothing more than a partisan temper-tantrum on the part of the right.
 
I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

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One word: Freedom



Those that base their ideology on a bumper-sticker can be led by the nose to just about anywhere, as the TPGOP shows US daily....

Is that how you see "Freedom" - a "bumper sticker" ??
 
Bundy's not a nut. He's just a guy who is tired of being screwed over.

So we have a rancher who owes the government a ton of money but refuses to pay his bills. The rancher doesn't believe that the federal government has authority over him or even exists. When the authorities try to collect payment from the rancher, the rancher calls out for help to militia members. Armed individuals descend on the ranch and intimidate the government employees from doing their duty. Plans are made to use women and children as human shields against the tyrannical government. Oh, the rancher is also a racist to boot.

Cliven Bundy? Yes, but I'm also talking about a Montana rancher by the name of Ralph Clark who was a member of the Freemen "patriot" movement.


I "Understand" Cliven Bundy All Too Well


In the "foxified" world, his disdain for Federal Government gets EXTREMISTS a pass...

the dailykos:lol:
 
I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

Lower educational levels, ignorance of other cultures , fear. No understanding of the concept of community and the history of the united States (see ignorance), fear fear fear and primitive tribalism
 
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Scene_at_the_Signing_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States.jpg


One word: Freedom



Those that base their ideology on a bumper-sticker can be led by the nose to just about anywhere, as the TPGOP shows US daily....

Is that how you see "Freedom" - a "bumper sticker" ??


Freedom does not mean what you think it does



I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.

John Stuart Mill, in a letter to the Conservative MP, John Pakington
 
Bundy's not a nut. He's just a guy who is tired of being screwed over.

So we have a rancher who owes the government a ton of money but refuses to pay his bills. The rancher doesn't believe that the federal government has authority over him or even exists. When the authorities try to collect payment from the rancher, the rancher calls out for help to militia members. Armed individuals descend on the ranch and intimidate the government employees from doing their duty. Plans are made to use women and children as human shields against the tyrannical government. Oh, the rancher is also a racist to boot.

Cliven Bundy? Yes, but I'm also talking about a Montana rancher by the name of Ralph Clark who was a member of the Freemen "patriot" movement.


I "Understand" Cliven Bundy All Too Well


In the "foxified" world, his disdain for Federal Government gets EXTREMISTS a pass...

the dailykos:lol:

Ad homs? LOL

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith
 
I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.


Lack of education.


The notion that Government is an evil force, a secret army, the "Other".


We are our Government. Government is an extension of our will.
 
I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

Lower educational levels, ignorance of other cultures , fear. No understanding of the concept of community and the history of the united States (see ignorance), fear fear fear and primitive tribalism



Great answer -- articulated what I struggled to say.
 
But, like kaz said, the progressive identity is so intertwined with government, that the two are believed to be one in the same.

As usual both you and kaz are wrong, as is anyone else who believes Americans are subject to a 'tyrannical government,' as nothing could be further from the truth.

Indeed, more Americans enjoy greater freedom and liberty today than at any time in this Nation's history.

This nonsense about 'tyrannical government' is nothing more than a partisan temper-tantrum on the part of the right.

The difference between a tyrannical government program and a perfectly legitimate government program to help the people is whether a Republican or a Democrat is doing it.
 
But, like kaz said, the progressive identity is so intertwined with government, that the two are believed to be one in the same.

As usual both you and kaz are wrong, as is anyone else who believes Americans are subject to a 'tyrannical government,' as nothing could be further from the truth.

Indeed, more Americans enjoy greater freedom and liberty today than at any time in this Nation's history.

This nonsense about 'tyrannical government' is nothing more than a partisan temper-tantrum on the part of the right.

The difference between a tyrannical government program and a perfectly legitimate government program to help the people is whether a Republican or a Democrat is doing it.
they both can be underhanded....and incompetent....
 
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When citizens who demand constitutional government are labeled "extremist", then we are being fed lies and propaganda. Corruption is rolling out of the oval office.
 
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Remember when being "anti-government was COOL

man look where are from the 60's to today...not a pretty picture

the citizens today asking this question and accusing YOU of being extremist and anti-government...

you should look at yourselves you've become:
a bunch of weak kneed government sucking wusses, stooges, tools, sheep, baaaa


just wow
 
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The left loves the hammer of government as long as it is used to bully citizens who demand constitutional government. That's why they cheered the Bundy incident and defend the IRS. That's abuse of government. That's why they are trash and need to be removed. Stinky trash.
 
The left loves the hammer of government as long as it is used to bully citizens who demand constitutional government. That's why they cheered the Bundy incident and defend the IRS. That's abuse of government. That's why they are trash and need to be removed. Stinky trash.

They love the hammer ... and sickle ... of government!
 
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