What drives anti-government extremists?

[Dad2three]

Remember when being "anti-government was COOL

man look where are from the 60's to today...not a pretty picture

the citizens today asking this question and accusing YOU of being extremist and anti-government...

you should look at yourselves you've become:
a bunch of weak kneed government sucking wusses, stooges, tools, sheep, baaaa


just wow

All Property indeed, except the Savage’s temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of publick Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents & all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity & the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man for the Conservation of the Individual & the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property of the Publick, who by their Laws have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire & live among Savages.—He can have no right to the Benefits of Society who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.

BEN FRANKLIN Letter to Robert Morris (December 25, 1783).

 

[Dad2three]

So NOT paying your bills is constitutional but checking to make sure the groups who want to use SPECIAL privileges under our tax laws is wrong? *shaking head*

Bundy was a welfare rancher, freeloading by not paying his grazing fees - while everyone else paid. It's hard to understand why even the NaziCon right would defend him.

The far left will rewrite anything to suit their own religion instead of look at any facts.

So Bundy, the welfare queen, DIDN'T refuse to pay his grazing fees for DECADES? lol

 

[Erand7899]

The left loves the hammer of government as long as it is used to bully citizens who demand constitutional government. That's why they cheered the Bundy incident and defend the IRS. That's abuse of government. That's why they are trash and need to be removed. Stinky trash.

So NOT paying your bills is constitutional but checking to make sure the groups who want to use SPECIAL privileges under our tax laws is wrong? *shaking head*

This is America, we don't bring in the militia, or the SWAT team, to collect unpaid bills. You knew that, right? But, you didn't question it, anymore than you questioned the FBI hostage rescue team burning children to save them from their parents. After all, when it is your messiah doing it, it must be right.

There are no SPECIAL privileges under our tax laws. It is either legal under our tax laws, or it is not. If it is legal under our tax laws, then it is legal for all, not just for left wing zealots. Conservative applicants were deliberately targeted and subjected to every possible type of delaying action to prevent them from participating fully in the 2012 election. And yes, Dumbass, that is wrong, unethical, and illegal.

 

[Clementine]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

Why do you add the word extremist? Maybe because anyone who is against the current agenda has been unfairly deemed extremist because libs think anyone not in agreement with them is some kind of radical.

Our founders were anti-government and desired liberty and freedom and a country where the people would be served by government and not the other way around. That sentiment holds true today and those who speak up for our rights are vilified by the left.

Anti-big controlling government is a good thing. Only those wanting government to take the lead in our lives is radical.

 

[Erand7899]

Bundy was a welfare rancher, freeloading by not paying his grazing fees - while everyone else paid. It's hard to understand why even the NaziCon right would defend him.

The far left will rewrite anything to suit their own religion instead of look at any facts.

So Bundy, the welfare queen, DIDN'T refuse to pay his grazing fees for DECADES? lol

So Bundy, the welfare queen has still not paid his grazing fees, and all that drama was for nought. Have you ever wondered why?

What would have happened, if Bundy had paid his grazing fees? You dumbasses don't have the slightest idea of how bureaucracies work their terror on selected Americans.

 

[Ibentoken]

The leftist sees government as a security blanket and a binky.

The leftist sees government for what it is and should be.

Show us where the constitution says government is supposed to feed citizens with money taken from other citizens. I'm sure you'll make something up.

 

[Dad2three]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

Lower educational levels, ignorance of other cultures , fear. No understanding of the concept of community and the history of the united States (see ignorance), fear fear fear and primitive tribalism

That statement probably sounded profound to you, but it is pure nonsense. Community means different things to different people, and it pretty well depends on whose concept of community you refer to.

My concept of community is a group dedicated to the belief that each human being is entitled to live to the best of his/her ability, and exists to ensure that individuals are not forced into any other mode by others. A group that has community standards that enable people to live together peacefully and in harmony, but does not impose on any individual for the sake of others. Individuals do not exist for the community, the community exists for the individual members of that community.

The rest is just ignorant, partisan rant.

Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."



James Madison, Founding Father and 4th President;

"The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust."


John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President; Thoughts on Government, 1776:

"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."

 

[Dad2three]

The leftist sees government as a security blanket and a binky.

The leftist sees government for what it is and should be.

Show us where the constitution says government is supposed to feed citizens with money taken from other citizens. I'm sure you'll make something up.

GENERAL WELFARE



Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

 

[Ibentoken]

The left loves the hammer of government as long as it is used to bully citizens who demand constitutional government. That's why they cheered the Bundy incident and defend the IRS. That's abuse of government. That's why they are trash and need to be removed. Stinky trash.

So NOT paying your bills is constitutional but checking to make sure the groups who want to use SPECIAL privileges under our tax laws is wrong? *shaking head*

Bundy was a welfare rancher, freeloading by not paying his grazing fees - while everyone else paid. It's hard to understand why even the NaziCon right would defend him.

The only extremist I see is you and your extreme hateful rhetoric.

 

[Dad2three]

The far left will rewrite anything to suit their own religion instead of look at any facts.

So Bundy, the welfare queen, DIDN'T refuse to pay his grazing fees for DECADES? lol

So Bundy, the welfare queen has still not paid his grazing fees, and all that drama was for nought. Have you ever wondered why?

What would have happened, if Bundy had paid his grazing fees? You dumbasses don't have the slightest idea of how bureaucracies work their terror on selected Americans.

Weird, So a 20+ year dispute isn't over yet? months later? lol

Terror? Right from the right wing extremists!

 

[dblack]

Freedom does not mean what you think it does

And what do you think I think freedom means??

What does it mean to you?

"The freedom of individuals and families to go bankrupt because of medical costs.

The freedom of students to go to college-with the price of a lifetime of debt slavery.

The freedom of straight white men to say "politically incorrect" things, demean women and minorities, and generally act in a bigoted manner.

The freedom of Wall Street bankers to prey on the poor and working classes.

The freedom of corporations to have a stranglehold on the government.

The freedom of the wealthiest Americans to have as low of a tax burden as possible.

The freedom of Christian fundamentalists to push their Dominionist agenda on the rest of the country-and world.

The freedom of unregulated private interests to ravage the environment.

The freedom of the military-industrial complex to make obscene profits on the death and destruction of occupied countries.

The freedom of the privileged and powerful to dictate to the rest of us how to live our lives.



This is what freedom means to the Right."



If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ... just what is it the defense budget is defending?

I'm not really clear what you're trying to say here. Which of my questions are you answering?

 

[Ibentoken]

The leftist sees government for what it is and should be.

Show us where the constitution says government is supposed to feed citizens with money taken from other citizens. I'm sure you'll make something up.

GENERAL WELFARE



Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

Wrong. General welfare didn't mean feeding people with money taken from taxpayers. It refers to infrastructure and services, not personal life support.

 

[Dad2three]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

Why do you add the word extremist? Maybe because anyone who is against the current agenda has been unfairly deemed extremist because libs think anyone not in agreement with them is some kind of radical.

Our founders were anti-government and desired liberty and freedom and a country where the people would be served by government and not the other way around. That sentiment holds true today and those who speak up for our rights are vilified by the left.

Anti-big controlling government is a good thing. Only those wanting government to take the lead in our lives is radical.

OUR FOUNDERS WERE ANTI GOV'T? LOL

Must be why they got rid of that states rights thing for the STRONG FEDERAL GOV'T CONSTITUTION

 

[Dad2three]

Show us where the constitution says government is supposed to feed citizens with money taken from other citizens. I'm sure you'll make something up.

GENERAL WELFARE



Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

Wrong. General welfare didn't mean feeding people with money taken from taxpayers. It refers to infrastructure and services, not personal life support.

SCOTUS has REPEATEDLY said you are full of it

 

[Dad2three]

And what do you think I think freedom means??

What does it mean to you?

"The freedom of individuals and families to go bankrupt because of medical costs.

The freedom of students to go to college-with the price of a lifetime of debt slavery.

The freedom of straight white men to say "politically incorrect" things, demean women and minorities, and generally act in a bigoted manner.

The freedom of Wall Street bankers to prey on the poor and working classes.

The freedom of corporations to have a stranglehold on the government.

The freedom of the wealthiest Americans to have as low of a tax burden as possible.

The freedom of Christian fundamentalists to push their Dominionist agenda on the rest of the country-and world.

The freedom of unregulated private interests to ravage the environment.

The freedom of the military-industrial complex to make obscene profits on the death and destruction of occupied countries.

The freedom of the privileged and powerful to dictate to the rest of us how to live our lives.



This is what freedom means to the Right."



If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ... just what is it the defense budget is defending?

I'm not really clear what you're trying to say here. Which of my questions are you answering?

Try reading what YOU asked and what I responded with!

 

[Ibentoken]

So Bundy, the welfare queen, DIDN'T refuse to pay his grazing fees for DECADES? lol

So Bundy, the welfare queen has still not paid his grazing fees, and all that drama was for nought. Have you ever wondered why?

What would have happened, if Bundy had paid his grazing fees? You dumbasses don't have the slightest idea of how bureaucracies work their terror on selected Americans.

Weird, So a 20+ year dispute isn't over yet? months later? lol

Terror? Right from the right wing extremists!

You're confused. Who sent in the goons to harass citizens? No one was arrested. Why not?

 

[Dad2three]

So Bundy, the welfare queen has still not paid his grazing fees, and all that drama was for nought. Have you ever wondered why?

What would have happened, if Bundy had paid his grazing fees? You dumbasses don't have the slightest idea of how bureaucracies work their terror on selected Americans.

Weird, So a 20+ year dispute isn't over yet? months later? lol

Terror? Right from the right wing extremists!

You're confused. Who sent in the goons to harass citizens? No one was arrested. Why not?

"On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County, Nevada were temporarily closed for the "capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle". BLM officials and law enforcement rangers began a trespass-cattle roundup on April 5, and an arrest was made on April 6. On April 12, a group of protesters who had gathered there for the previous week, and some of whom were armed, advanced on what the BLM described as a "cattle gather."] Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Cliven Bundy and newly confirmed BLM director, Neil Kornze, who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation"

Bundy standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WELFARE RANCHER SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS, BUT THE PEACE LOVER OBAMA, APPARENTLY DISAGREES!

 

[dblack]

"The freedom of individuals and families to go bankrupt because of medical costs.

The freedom of students to go to college-with the price of a lifetime of debt slavery.

The freedom of straight white men to say "politically incorrect" things, demean women and minorities, and generally act in a bigoted manner.

The freedom of Wall Street bankers to prey on the poor and working classes.

The freedom of corporations to have a stranglehold on the government.

The freedom of the wealthiest Americans to have as low of a tax burden as possible.

The freedom of Christian fundamentalists to push their Dominionist agenda on the rest of the country-and world.

The freedom of unregulated private interests to ravage the environment.

The freedom of the military-industrial complex to make obscene profits on the death and destruction of occupied countries.

The freedom of the privileged and powerful to dictate to the rest of us how to live our lives.



This is what freedom means to the Right."



If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ... just what is it the defense budget is defending?

I'm not really clear what you're trying to say here. Which of my questions are you answering?

Try reading what YOU asked and what I responded with!

I did. You started off with the asinine claim the "freedom" doesn't mean what I think it does. Since we've never really conversed before, I was bemused by your presumption that you have any ******* idea what I think freedom means, so I thought I'd ask you - to see how close your unfounded guess might be. You respond with a bunch of glib, and frankly 'bumper sticker'-ish comments (apparently part of some partisan screed you're engaged in.) Anyway, you don't seem to be interested in being taken seriously. Nevermind.

 

[Two Thumbs]

wow, just glancing through and reading some of the leftist postings


wow, you people really hate the idea that some part of your life or someone else life isn't regulated and taxed.

Why do you hate freedom so much?

 

[Ibentoken]

GENERAL WELFARE



Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

Wrong. General welfare didn't mean feeding people with money taken from taxpayers. It refers to infrastructure and services, not personal life support.

SCOTUS has REPEATEDLY said you are full of it

Show it.