What drives anti-government extremists?

[Ibentoken]

Weird, So a 20+ year dispute isn't over yet? months later? lol

Terror? Right from the right wing extremists!

You're confused. Who sent in the goons to harass citizens? No one was arrested. Why not?

"On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County, Nevada were temporarily closed for the "capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle". BLM officials and law enforcement rangers began a trespass-cattle roundup on April 5, and an arrest was made on April 6. On April 12, a group of protesters who had gathered there for the previous week, and some of whom were armed, advanced on what the BLM described as a "cattle gather."] Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Cliven Bundy and newly confirmed BLM director, Neil Kornze, who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation"

Bundy standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WELFARE RANCHER SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS, BUT THE PEACE LOVER OBAMA, APPARENTLY DISAGREES!

First of all, Wikipedia is for amateurs because it can be edited. Secondly, the BLM was out of bounds and is not a law enforcement agency. That's why they retreated when confronted by armed citizens. You spin it, but I know how it went down and the reason for it. Tool.

 

[Yarddog]

You're confused. Who sent in the goons to harass citizens? No one was arrested. Why not?

"On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County, Nevada were temporarily closed for the "capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle". BLM officials and law enforcement rangers began a trespass-cattle roundup on April 5, and an arrest was made on April 6. On April 12, a group of protesters who had gathered there for the previous week, and some of whom were armed, advanced on what the BLM described as a "cattle gather."] Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Cliven Bundy and newly confirmed BLM director, Neil Kornze, who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation"

Bundy standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WELFARE RANCHER SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS, BUT THE PEACE LOVER OBAMA, APPARENTLY DISAGREES!

First of all, Wikipedia is for amateurs because it can be edited. Secondly, the BLM was out of bounds and is not a law enforcement agency. That's why they retreated when confronted by armed citizens. You spin it, but I know how it went down and the reason for it. Tool.

Federal government / BLM owns over 80 percent of all the land in Nevada. I like to keep that in there for context. The government was right to back off and just follow up in the courts. If they're not going to get tough with Mexico over immigration then why should they pick on our ranchers. Bundy might be an asshole but he is the last rancher in the whole county from what I understand. I would hate to see them shut down for that reason alone.

 

[Ibentoken]

"On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County, Nevada were temporarily closed for the "capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle". BLM officials and law enforcement rangers began a trespass-cattle roundup on April 5, and an arrest was made on April 6. On April 12, a group of protesters who had gathered there for the previous week, and some of whom were armed, advanced on what the BLM described as a "cattle gather."] Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Cliven Bundy and newly confirmed BLM director, Neil Kornze, who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation"

Bundy standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WELFARE RANCHER SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS, BUT THE PEACE LOVER OBAMA, APPARENTLY DISAGREES!

First of all, Wikipedia is for amateurs because it can be edited. Secondly, the BLM was out of bounds and is not a law enforcement agency. That's why they retreated when confronted by armed citizens. You spin it, but I know how it went down and the reason for it. Tool.

Federal government / BLM owns over 80 percent of all the land in Nevada. I like to keep that in there for context. The government was right to back off and just follow up in the courts. If they're not going to get tough with Mexico over immigration then why should they pick on our ranchers. Bundy might be an asshole but he is the last rancher in the whole county from what I understand. I would hate to see them shut down for that reason alone.

Regardless of who claims they own the land, the BLM was wrong to do what they did. It was purely for intimidating and harassment. It may have been a test run to see what the reaction would be. I guarantee you that they won't try it again. These corrupt agencies are being disarmed.

 

[Dad2three]

I'm not really clear what you're trying to say here. Which of my questions are you answering?

Try reading what YOU asked and what I responded with!

I did. You started off with the asinine claim the "freedom" doesn't mean what I think it does. Since we've never really conversed before, I was bemused by your presumption that you have any ******* idea what I think freedom means, so I thought I'd ask you - to see how close your unfounded guess might be. You respond with a bunch of glib, and frankly 'bumper sticker'-ish comments (apparently part of some partisan screed you're engaged in.) Anyway, you don't seem to be interested in being taken seriously. Nevermind.

Right wingers ONLY know 'freedom' as defined by Rush, Beck, Hannity, Faux, etc. NOTHING what our Founding Fathers thought twas 'freedom'

 

[Dad2three]

First of all, Wikipedia is for amateurs because it can be edited. Secondly, the BLM was out of bounds and is not a law enforcement agency. That's why they retreated when confronted by armed citizens. You spin it, but I know how it went down and the reason for it. Tool.

Federal government / BLM owns over 80 percent of all the land in Nevada. I like to keep that in there for context. The government was right to back off and just follow up in the courts. If they're not going to get tough with Mexico over immigration then why should they pick on our ranchers. Bundy might be an asshole but he is the last rancher in the whole county from what I understand. I would hate to see them shut down for that reason alone.

Regardless of who claims they own the land, the BLM was wrong to do what they did. It was purely for intimidating and harassment. It may have been a test run to see what the reaction would be. I guarantee you that they won't try it again. These corrupt agencies are being disarmed.

Wake up, get off the juice!

 

[Ibentoken]

Try reading what YOU asked and what I responded with!

I did. You started off with the asinine claim the "freedom" doesn't mean what I think it does. Since we've never really conversed before, I was bemused by your presumption that you have any ******* idea what I think freedom means, so I thought I'd ask you - to see how close your unfounded guess might be. You respond with a bunch of glib, and frankly 'bumper sticker'-ish comments (apparently part of some partisan screed you're engaged in.) Anyway, you don't seem to be interested in being taken seriously. Nevermind.

Right wingers ONLY know 'freedom' as defined by Rush, Beck, Hannity, Faux, etc. NOTHING what our Founding Fathers thought twas 'freedom'

So you're educated on the founders? Fascinating. Whom among our founders do you admire?

 

[Ibentoken]

Federal government / BLM owns over 80 percent of all the land in Nevada. I like to keep that in there for context. The government was right to back off and just follow up in the courts. If they're not going to get tough with Mexico over immigration then why should they pick on our ranchers. Bundy might be an asshole but he is the last rancher in the whole county from what I understand. I would hate to see them shut down for that reason alone.

Regardless of who claims they own the land, the BLM was wrong to do what they did. It was purely for intimidating and harassment. It may have been a test run to see what the reaction would be. I guarantee you that they won't try it again. These corrupt agencies are being disarmed.

Wake up, get off the juice!

You're not equipped to discuss this.

 

[Dad2three]

"On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County, Nevada were temporarily closed for the "capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle". BLM officials and law enforcement rangers began a trespass-cattle roundup on April 5, and an arrest was made on April 6. On April 12, a group of protesters who had gathered there for the previous week, and some of whom were armed, advanced on what the BLM described as a "cattle gather."] Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Cliven Bundy and newly confirmed BLM director, Neil Kornze, who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation"

Bundy standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WELFARE RANCHER SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS, BUT THE PEACE LOVER OBAMA, APPARENTLY DISAGREES!

First of all, Wikipedia is for amateurs because it can be edited. Secondly, the BLM was out of bounds and is not a law enforcement agency. That's why they retreated when confronted by armed citizens. You spin it, but I know how it went down and the reason for it. Tool.

Federal government / BLM owns over 80 percent of all the land in Nevada. I like to keep that in there for context. The government was right to back off and just follow up in the courts. If they're not going to get tough with Mexico over immigration then why should they pick on our ranchers. Bundy might be an asshole but he is the last rancher in the whole county from what I understand. I would hate to see them shut down for that reason alone.

You mean Nevada CHOSE to give the federal Gov't the land when they joined the UNION?


The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand

The Nevada rancher isn't just resisting the Bureau of Land Management—he's also fighting against his state's unusual
constitutional history.



Twenty-one years ago, rancher Cliven Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees.

Bundy does not recognize federal authority over land where his ancestors first settled in the 1880s, which he claims belongs to the state of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management disagreed and took him to federal court, which first ruled in favor of the BLM in 1998. After years of attempts at a negotiated settlement over the $1.2 million Bundy owes in fees failed, federal land agents began seizing hundreds of his cattle illegally grazing on public land last week.


....Bundy's claim that the land belongs to Nevada or Clark County didn't hold up in court, nor did his claim of inheriting an ancestral right to use the land that pre-empts the BLM's role.


The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand - Matt Ford - The Atlantic

 

[Dad2three]

Regardless of who claims they own the land, the BLM was wrong to do what they did. It was purely for intimidating and harassment. It may have been a test run to see what the reaction would be. I guarantee you that they won't try it again. These corrupt agencies are being disarmed.

Wake up, get off the juice!

You're not equipped to discuss this.

His personal grievance with federal authority doesn't stop with the BLM, though. "I believe this is a sovereign state of Nevada," Bundy said in a radio interview last Thursday. "I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing." Ironically, this position directly contradicts Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution:

All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

The paramount-allegiance clause, a product of the era in which Nevada gained statehood, originated in Nevada's first (and unofficial) constitutional convention of 1863


LOL

The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand - Matt Ford - The Atlantic

 

[Dad2three]

I did. You started off with the asinine claim the "freedom" doesn't mean what I think it does. Since we've never really conversed before, I was bemused by your presumption that you have any ******* idea what I think freedom means, so I thought I'd ask you - to see how close your unfounded guess might be. You respond with a bunch of glib, and frankly 'bumper sticker'-ish comments (apparently part of some partisan screed you're engaged in.) Anyway, you don't seem to be interested in being taken seriously. Nevermind.

Right wingers ONLY know 'freedom' as defined by Rush, Beck, Hannity, Faux, etc. NOTHING what our Founding Fathers thought twas 'freedom'

So you're educated on the founders? Fascinating. Whom among our founders do you admire?

I have a minor in history. One Founder? Why one?

Jefferson the guy who understood the incompatibility with wealth concentrated among a few? Or Madison who wanted the federal Gov't to hold veto power over the states? Or Washington who agreed with Madison?

 

[Peach]

First of all, Wikipedia is for amateurs because it can be edited. Secondly, the BLM was out of bounds and is not a law enforcement agency. That's why they retreated when confronted by armed citizens. You spin it, but I know how it went down and the reason for it. Tool.

Federal government / BLM owns over 80 percent of all the land in Nevada. I like to keep that in there for context. The government was right to back off and just follow up in the courts. If they're not going to get tough with Mexico over immigration then why should they pick on our ranchers. Bundy might be an asshole but he is the last rancher in the whole county from what I understand. I would hate to see them shut down for that reason alone.

You mean Nevada CHOSE to give the federal Gov't the land when they joined the UNION?


The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand

The Nevada rancher isn't just resisting the Bureau of Land Management—he's also fighting against his state's unusual
constitutional history.



Twenty-one years ago, rancher Cliven Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees.

Bundy does not recognize federal authority over land where his ancestors first settled in the 1880s, which he claims belongs to the state of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management disagreed and took him to federal court, which first ruled in favor of the BLM in 1998. After years of attempts at a negotiated settlement over the $1.2 million Bundy owes in fees failed, federal land agents began seizing hundreds of his cattle illegally grazing on public land last week.


....Bundy's claim that the land belongs to Nevada or Clark County didn't hold up in court, nor did his claim of inheriting an ancestral right to use the land that pre-empts the BLM's role.


The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand - Matt Ford - The Atlantic

Bundy's ancestor's made a bundle off of taxpayers, who of course tossed out the First Nations owners. But Bundy claims since his great grandpa stole, he can too!

 

[Kosh]

Federal government / BLM owns over 80 percent of all the land in Nevada. I like to keep that in there for context. The government was right to back off and just follow up in the courts. If they're not going to get tough with Mexico over immigration then why should they pick on our ranchers. Bundy might be an asshole but he is the last rancher in the whole county from what I understand. I would hate to see them shut down for that reason alone.

You mean Nevada CHOSE to give the federal Gov't the land when they joined the UNION?


The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand

The Nevada rancher isn't just resisting the Bureau of Land Management—he's also fighting against his state's unusual
constitutional history.



Twenty-one years ago, rancher Cliven Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees.

Bundy does not recognize federal authority over land where his ancestors first settled in the 1880s, which he claims belongs to the state of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management disagreed and took him to federal court, which first ruled in favor of the BLM in 1998. After years of attempts at a negotiated settlement over the $1.2 million Bundy owes in fees failed, federal land agents began seizing hundreds of his cattle illegally grazing on public land last week.


....Bundy's claim that the land belongs to Nevada or Clark County didn't hold up in court, nor did his claim of inheriting an ancestral right to use the land that pre-empts the BLM's role.


The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand - Matt Ford - The Atlantic

Bundy's ancestor's made a bundle off of taxpayers, who of course tossed out the First Nations owners. But Bundy claims since his great grandpa stole, he can too!

Yet another far left propaganda post!

Yet they claim they are not far left!

Hummm..

 

[JohnL.Burke]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

What drives anti-government extremists? You would have to ask Bill Ayers and other domestic liberal terrorists.

 

[Kosh]

Maybe the IRA can answers the OP's question.

Maybe the OP can venture into the ME and ask one of his fellow extremists why...

 

[Ibentoken]

Right wingers ONLY know 'freedom' as defined by Rush, Beck, Hannity, Faux, etc. NOTHING what our Founding Fathers thought twas 'freedom'

So you're educated on the founders? Fascinating. Whom among our founders do you admire?

I have a minor in history. One Founder? Why one?

Jefferson the guy who understood the incompatibility with wealth concentrated among a few? Or Madison who wanted the federal Gov't to hold veto power over the states? Or Washington who agreed with Madison?

Minor describes it. Cherry picking is reassuring and comforting. Who sent in the BLM with the authority to use force?

 

[blackhawk]

My guess would be dislike and distrust of the government a government which seems to give people good reasons to dislike and distrust it.

 

[Ibentoken]

The leftist big government goons aren't going to talk about who authorized the use of force.

 

[Darkwind]

Here's one explanation from a bunch of anti-government (actually anti-oppressive-government) extremists.

Declaration of Independence - Text Transcript

Enjoy.

That's anti-monarchy little moron. And later on when the anti-government nutters went against Washington, he crushed their insurrectionist asses.

Because a Monarchy is never a form of government.

You should have a care who you call moron when your critical thinking skills are this poor.

 

[Darkwind]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

A false premise.

Being anti-government is not extreme, except for those who are so dependent upon government that they can't piss without following a US Code ....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I guess the primary drivers are ignorance, fear, and hate - mixed with various religious views.

"Huh?"