Zone1 What does The Chosen People actually mean?

[hobelim]

I know. Dear Hob. He has taken the participants in the Bible and has written a whole new book.

Thats right. Its the greatest story never told. Until now.

Sadly, he has left out the main character. The importance of Jesus and the part He plays in our salvation is missing in Hob's repertoire.

Nonsense.

I just pointed out the importance of Jesus and the part he plays in salvation in my last post to you.
Now you know the way to eternal life. You no longer have an excuse for your brazen sin of idolatry

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

You died in the very day that you first set aside the Law of God and turned to a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands to worship and eat for spiritual life decades ago. Save yourself!

Purify your own mind and be refined. No one can do it for you. Not church, not God, not Jesus. There is no magic wand, no magic pill, no special ritual, no secret ceremony, no words to chant.

This is my commandment. Just stop saying and doing stupid things already. How hard is that?



Have a nice day!

 

[hobelim]

But he always does as God commands.

Funny how a believer can't believe that anyone could master "the light of the world", the Law, by following the teaching of Jesus about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subjects to live without sin dwelling in the sanctuary of Gods love, the promise to all who comply with the Law

A believer who claims to be "saved" by Jesus because he celebrates his death and then eats him as a piece of bread made by human hands yet doesn't believe in salvation by acting on his words

Fascinating!

 

[ding]

Baloney.

You might not realize this but not sinning is as easy as not kneeling before a piece of bread. Or not bending over for a priest so he can enter your mind to defile and contaminate it with crap. Slut!

That's exactly how I would expect a religious nutjob to reply.

 

[ding]

Exactly. You are dead and in hell for idolatry, a sin under penalty of death. It says so in the Bible, I smell the putrified flesh of unclean creatures dripping from your unclean lips so I'm a believer!

Can't you smell that smell?

Get a sign and find a street corner, nutjob.

 

[ding]

Funny how a believer can't believe that anyone could master "the light of the world", the Law, by following the teaching of Jesus about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subjects to live without sin dwelling in the sanctuary of Gods love, the promise to all who comply with the Law

A believer who claims to be "saved" by Jesus because he celebrates his death and then eats him as a piece of bread made by human hands yet doesn't believe in salvation by acting on his words

Fascinating!

Said the religious nutjob.

all of Israel will be saved.

I bear the great seal of the living God. Prophecy fulfilled.

every time you defy the law of my God

I can't see the good in doing what has been forbidden by my God.

you act like you can escape the hand of my God in this world or the next

You brazenly defy the Law that prohibits idolatry...

You are already dead, in hell, and well along the way that leads to endless destruction.

I always do exactly as God commands. I am keystone in the Yahad of God; the habitation of light. No one else in heaven, on earth, or under the earth, can do what I have already done...

You are in hell under the dominion, care, of a spirit of perversity.

You have sold your soul for the satanic lie, a promise that you will receive eternal life when you die physically after living for your entire life like a schnook by doing exactly what the Bible teaches results in death hell and ultimately destruction.
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You have set aside the Law of God...

you are an idolator...

I am creating a new heaven and a new earth in full view of all believers and unbelievers alike

I met them. They are not human but they liked me enough to let me fly one of their craft all over the universe. The next day on the front page of the newspaper were reports of a UFO over my city.

I can tell you this, zooming out of this solar system through space and time and popping into another instantly and coming back instantly is a trip!

I thought if you were sincere you would save your soul from damnation...

Thats pretty cowardly and reprehensible and God probably noticed...

 

[jwoodie]

God's plan of "the restitution of all things" began to take shape with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel.

I think you need to get your story straight:

God Chose Israel in the beginning, not just the Jews.

Do you still obey 613 rules, including generational sin?

 

[Woodznutz]

I think you need to get your story straight:

Do you still obey 613 rules, including generational sin?

God's plan has advanced well beyond that. The Mitzvot's are for the Jews.

 

[hobelim]

That's exactly how I would expect a religious nutjob to reply.

Excellent response! But now that you brought it up, what I picture as a religious nutjob is the person who "just believes" that he can attain eternal life defying the law of God by turning to a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life. Just defy the law of God and zap! Presto mundo! Alakazam! You die, descend into hell, the realm of the dead were you exist without God without life completely under a delusion for the rest of your days

No words necessary! Just celebrate the death of Jesus, defy the law of God, eat a matzo, die, descend into hell, light a candle, chant, play Simon says, stand up, sit down, kneel, throw some spare change at the priest, sacrifice your children to Molech, and then everything is hunky-dory.

What a deal!

 

[Foxfyre]

I have been watching the TV series Chosen and have questions about 1st Century Jewish life and beliefs:
1. What does "the chosen people" actually mean? Was it a special covenant with God that excluded all other people?
2. Were there really 500+ rules that had to be followed on pain of banishment or death?
3. What happened to false prophets who claimed to be the Messiah? Were they all killed?
4. Setting aside the alleged divinity of Jesus, are current Jewish beliefs more in line with modern Christian values or ancient Jewish rules?

God, by grace/blessing and not merit, made his covenant with Abraham as recorded in Genesis:

12 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.[a]
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

There is no other people recorded as chosen for such honor, thus the Jews are the 'chosen people' through which Christian and Jews believe the Messiah would be born. The Jews just disagree that Jesus of Nazareth was that Messiah.

Many if not most scholars identify 613 commandments given the people of the Old Testament.

I don't know what happened to all the false prophets. That is God's department.

Christianity is not a 'new religion' but one that evolved out of the Jewish traditions via the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and the leading of the Holy Spirit albeit tinkered with by humans sometimes to its detriment. But Christianity carried forward many Jewish beliefs, traditions, culture, customs to this very day.

Which is why I usually say JudeoChristian values instead of just Christian values.

 

[PeterPilot]

Funny how a believer can't believe that anyone could master "the light of the world", the Law, by following the teaching of Jesus about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subjects to live without sin dwelling in the sanctuary of Gods love, the promise to all who comply with the Law

A believer who claims to be "saved" by Jesus because he celebrates his death and then eats him as a piece of bread made by human hands yet doesn't believe in salvation by acting on his words

Fascinating!

Organized religion is full of superstition and dogma, and because religion requires faith, none of the dogma can be proved. History shows that the various "books" of the organized religions might be the most dangerous books in the history of mankind.

 

[Woodznutz]

God, by grace/blessing and not merit, made his covenant with Abraham as recorded in Genesis:

12 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.[a]
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

There is no other people recorded as chosen for such honor, thus the Jews are the 'chosen people' through which Christian and Jews believe the Messiah would be born. The Jews just disagree that Jesus of Nazareth was that Messiah.

Many if not most scholars identify 613 commandments given the people of the Old Testament.

I don't know what happened to all the false prophets. That is God's department.

Christianity is not a 'new religion' but one that evolved out of the Jewish traditions via the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and the leading of the Holy Spirit albeit tinkered with by humans sometimes to its detriment. But Christianity carried forward many Jewish beliefs, traditions, culture, customs to this very day.

Which is why I usually say JudeoChristian values instead of just Christian values.

As was stated by another the Abrahamic promises are twofold, "race and grace". The Jews received the "scepter" promise of grace, Joseph and his descendants received the "birthright" promise of national greatness bestowed on the "race" of Israel/Joseph. One is 'national' the other 'spiritual'. Two come together in the Reformation period. God's word is published widely for all to read, at the same time nations that receive the birthright blessing begin to blossom, and offer the religious freedom theretofore denied, and God's church begins to flourish.

There is also a uniting of sorts.

For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

The "throne of the house of Israel" is the British monarchy.

The Modern Descendants of Zara-Judah

There is evidence that the lines of Zara-Judah and Pharez-Judah were joined when Jeremiah brought a daughter of King Zedekiah to the British Isles who then married a prince of the Zara-Judah line.

 

[hobelim]

Organized religion is full of superstition and dogma, and because religion requires faith, none of the dogma can be proved. History shows that the various "books" of the organized religions might be the most dangerous books in the history of mankind.

True.

People do not realize this but to Jesus, his disciples, followers, and authors of the Gospels who witnessed the destruction of Judea, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Jewish men women and children "the nations" were the enemy.

The Gospels were the 1st century equivalent of the nuclear option causing global desolation

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword" "From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations" "Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant"

"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them" (the sword is clearly identified as a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine)

“Then tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’ But if they refuse to take the cup from your hand and drink, tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty says: You must drink it! See, I am beginning to bring disaster on the city that bears my Name, and will you indeed go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am calling down a sword on all who live on the earth, declares the Lord Almighty.’

"Just art thou, in these thy judgments, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink.

 

[jwoodie]

I have been watching the TV series Chosen and have questions about 1st Century Jewish life and beliefs:
1. What does "the chosen people" actually mean? Was it a special covenant with God that excluded all other people?

YES/NO/IDK?

2. Were there really 500+ rules that had to be followed on pain of banishment or death?

YES/NO/IDK?

3. What happened to false prophets who claimed to be the Messiah? Were they all killed?

YES/NO/IDK?

4. Setting aside the alleged divinity of Jesus, are current Jewish beliefs more in line with modern Christian values or ancient Jewish rules?

YES/NO/IDK?

Why is it so difficult to answer these questions? I am asking them because I Don't Know the answers. Do you?

 

[rosends]

1. What does "the chosen people" actually mean? Was it a special covenant with God that excluded all other people?

it means chosen to receive extra laws and be held to a particular standard that isn't demanded of others

2. Were there really 500+ rules that had to be followed on pain of banishment or death?

there are more laws than that (though not all apply to all people) and the punishment for transgressing some of them is death, but for most, not.

3. What happened to false prophets who claimed to be the Messiah? Were they all killed?

Claiming to be a messiah in Judaism isn't a sin. Why would they be killed?

4. Setting aside the alleged divinity of Jesus, are current Jewish beliefs more in line with modern Christian values or ancient Jewish rules?

We use the same rules as we have for thousands of years.

 

[PeterPilot]

True.

People do not realize this but to Jesus, his disciples, followers, and authors of the Gospels who witnessed the destruction of Judea, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Jewish men women and children "the nations" were the enemy.

The Gospels were the first century equivalent of the nuclear option causing global desolation.

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword" "From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations" "Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant"

"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them" (the sword is clearly identified as a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine)

“Then tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’ But if they refuse to take the cup from your hand and drink, tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty says: You must drink it! See, I am beginning to bring disaster on the city that bears my Name, and will you indeed go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am calling down a sword on all who live on the earth, declares the Lord Almighty.’

"Just art thou, in these thy judgments, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink.

Judging from the words and actions of the Zionist Israelis over the centuries, and especially today, my thought is that "The Lord" mentioned in Deuteronomy 7 is the Lord Moloch.

 

[hobelim]

4. Setting aside the alleged divinity of Jesus, are current Jewish beliefs more in line with modern Christian values or ancient Jewish rules?

I would put it this way. Modern reform Judaism is more in line with early Christian values than modern Christian beliefs are in line with any Jewish beliefs or values, either ancient or modern.

 

[irosie91]

I would put it this way. Modern reform Judaism is more in line with early Christian values than modern Christian beliefs are in line with any Jewish beliefs or values, either ancient or modern.

yes---early Christianity was something like an accommodation
syncresis with Hellenistic ethos

 

[Woodznutz]

yes---early Christianity was something like an accommodation
syncresis with Hellenistic ethos

Early Christianity is described in Revelation 12: 4-6.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The early church was persecuted from the very beginning and went into hiding until it was safe to come out (The Reformation).

 

[ding]

Excellent response! But now that you brought it up, what I picture as a religious nutjob is the person who "just believes" that he can attain eternal life defying the law of God by turning to a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life. Just defy the law of God and zap! Presto mundo! Alakazam! You die, descend into hell, the realm of the dead were you exist without God without life completely under a delusion for the rest of your days

No words necessary! Just celebrate the death of Jesus, defy the law of God, eat a matzo, die, descend into hell, light a candle, chant, play Simon says, stand up, sit down, kneel, throw some spare change at the priest, sacrifice your children to Molech, and then everything is hunky-dory.

What a deal!

No, a religious nutjob seeks to subordinate religions not his own. That's you to a T.

Your latest post continues to prove just how big of a religious nutjob you really are.

 

[hobelim]

No, a religious nutjob seeks to subordinate religions not his own. That's you to a T.

Baloney. You think that me saying something true like you seek spiritual life from a lifeless matzo made by human hands, you feel like I am trying to subordinate your religion? Thats funny.


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