Zone1 What does The Chosen People actually mean?

[BreezeWood]

yes-----often. The writers were very insightful, eloquent and creative. The books compare favorably
with the best of Greek Literature and precede it by a few hundred years

lovely all are certain, is there heavenly personification included in their - insightful, eloquent and creative - oration ... as made by judaism.

how about the burning bush is there a dent in the continent for all to see - or abraham, they forgot to turn on the audio recorder ...

the heavenly spoken religion / goal is known by all living beings to free their spirit when accomplished judgement and admission to the everlasting - what jesus knew beyond all else their simple understanding - the desert religions all three imposters will never be forgiven their idolatry.

 

[irosie91]

lovely all are certain, is there heavenly personification included in their - insightful, eloquent and creative - oration ... as made by judaism.

how about the burning bush is there a dent in the continent for all to see - or abraham, they forgot to turn on the audio recorder ...

the heavenly spoken religion / goal is known by all living beings to free their spirit when accomplished judgement and admission to the everlasting - what jesus knew beyond all else their simple understanding - the desert religions all three imposters will never be forgiven their idolatry.

the dent is in the psyche of the discerning BRAIN----remember----THE BRAIN ---was created in "the garden"
with its foremost FRONTAL LOBE function----to wit, CHOICE

 

[presonorek]

I have been watching the TV series Chosen and have questions about 1st Century Jewish life and beliefs:
1. What does "the chosen people" actually mean? Was it a special covenant with God that excluded all other people?

Yes. It was a special arrangement God made with Abraham.

2. Were there really 500+ rules that had to be followed on pain of banishment or death?

There were really 613 rules but I think Israelites have a long legacy of being lax about enforcing rules that continues even to this day.

3. What happened to false prophets who claimed to be the Messiah? Were they all killed?

Some were but like I said, Israelites have a long legacy of being lax about enforcing rules so I'd say no they weren't all killed.

4. Setting aside the alleged divinity of Jesus, are current Jewish beliefs more in line with modern Christian values or ancient Jewish rules?

lol lol They are more in line with Atheists but since you only gave two options then they are more like the modern Christian values.

 

[rosends]

"There were really 613 rules but I think Israelites have a long legacy of being lax about enforcing rules that continues even to this day."

You would be wrong.

 

[presonorek]

"There were really 613 rules but I think Israelites have a long legacy of being lax about enforcing rules that continues even to this day."

You would be wrong.

Then why are they still having problems with Palestinians that have been committing treason since 1948 and continue to teach treason to their children? I'm pretty sure this should have been dealt with by now.

 

[rosends]

Then why are they still having problems with Palestinians that have been committing treason since 1948

what does the foreign policy of a sovereign state have to do with the 613 commandments?

and continue to teach treason to their children? I'm pretty sure this should have been dealt with by now.

that is completely unrelated.

 

[presonorek]

what does the foreign policy of a sovereign state have to do with the 613 commandments?

that is completely unrelated.

Israel was lax about enforcing rules in Bible times. Israel is lax about enforcing rules today.

I was answering jwoodie's question 2 and question 3.

2. Were there really 500+ rules that had to be followed on pain of banishment or death?
3. What happened to false prophets who claimed to be the Messiah? Were they all killed?

I doubt the people that broke the rules were punished with banishment or death. I don't think all false prophets who claim to be the Messiah were killed. I think out of 6,000 people who commit a crime maybe 5 are punished. If Israel enforced their rules then the Palestinians would have been exterminated in 1948 or at least by 1949. Israel has tolerated these treasonous and seditious people for 77 years. That's too long.

Do you really have examples of Israel being strict on crime?
If you can then I have examples of Israel being strong on rhetoric that sounds strict, harsh, and spooky.

 

[irosie91]

"There were really 613 rules but I think Israelites have a long legacy of being lax about enforcing rules that continues even to this day."

You would be wrong.

on virtually ALL counts

Israel was lax about enforcing rules in Bible times. Israel is lax about enforcing rules today.

I was answering jwoodie's question 2 and question 3.

I doubt the people that broke the rules were punished with banishment or death. I don't think all false prophets who claim to be the Messiah were killed. I think out of 6,000 people who commit a crime maybe 5 are punished. If Israel enforced their rules then the Palestinians would have been exterminated in 1948 or at least by 1949. Israel has tolerated these treasonous and seditious people for 77 years. That's too long.

Do you really have examples of Israel being strict on crime?
If you can then I have examples of Israel being strong on rhetoric that sounds strict, harsh, and spooky.

In all of the jewish history with which I am acquainted (such as it is) I know of NO CASE
of a person being executed for claiming to be "messiah"---there are a few cases of those
who actually developed a following. Jews have never been strict on crime despite when many
innocent credulous kids learn in sunday school

 

[irosie91]

lovely all are certain, is there heavenly personification included in their - insightful, eloquent and creative - oration ... as made by judaism.

how about the burning bush is there a dent in the continent for all to see - or abraham, they forgot to turn on the audio recorder ...

the heavenly spoken religion / goal is known by all living beings to free their spirit when accomplished judgement and admission to the everlasting - what jesus knew beyond all else their simple understanding - the desert religions all three imposters will never be forgiven their idolatry.

breezie-----what have you been doing all your life? You have demonstrated in your post (delete it
ASAP) that you probably never read either the greek literature or the jewish stuff. I AM HORRIFIED

 

[presonorek]

In all of the jewish history with which I am acquainted (such as it is) I know of NO CASE
of a person being executed for claiming to be "messiah"-

What was it that I said?

Jews have never been strict on crime

What was it that I said?

 

[irosie91]

What was it that I said?

What was it that I said?

you tell me-----what was it you said??

 

[presonorek]

you tell me-----what was it you said??

The same as you.

 

[Meriweather]

I doubt the people that broke the rules were punished with banishment or death. I don't think all false prophets who claim to be the Messiah were killed. I think out of 6,000 people who commit a crime maybe 5 are punished. If Israel enforced their rules then the Palestinians would have been exterminated in 1948 or at least by 1949. Israel has tolerated these treasonous and seditious people for 77 years. That's too long.

Jews do not punish Gentiles (non-Jews) for not following Jewish law. Their belief is that Gentiles should follow the seven Noachide laws, but not the entire 613 Jews are to follow, when Jews are able.

 

[rosends]

Israel was lax about enforcing rules in Bible times. Israel is lax about enforcing rules today.

Israel (the theocratic nation) wasn't lax about enforcing rules in biblical times, and Israel today (political construct) is not lax about enforcing ITS rules.

I doubt the people that broke the rules were punished with banishment or death.

why do you doubt that?

If Israel enforced their rules then the Palestinians would have been exterminated in 1948 or at least by 1949. Israel has tolerated these treasonous and seditious people for 77 years. That's too long.

That makes no sense. There were no "Palestinians" in 1948 and the Arabs who stayed became full fledged Israeli citizens,

Do you really have examples of Israel being strict on crime?
If you can then I have examples of Israel being strong on rhetoric that sounds strict, harsh, and spooky.

https://ocindex.net/country/israel

 

[BreezeWood]

breezie-----what have you been doing all your life? You have demonstrated in your post (delete it
ASAP) that you probably never read either the greek literature or the jewish stuff. I AM HORRIFIED

is there heavenly personification included in their - insightful, eloquent and creative - oration ... as made by judaism.

you did not answer the question ...

ours is the heavenly spoken religion of antiquity from the beginning - the triumph of good vs evil - the heavenly goal issued for all life from paradise by them when accomplished the free spirit will be judged and granted admission to the everlasting w/ an acceptable verdict.

nothing much found in the desert religions, spoken or otherwise - except the 1st century events and those that gave their lives willingly the true goal than the forgeries lies and fallacies of then judaism and future false religions w/ the same preambles in their bibles used by judaism.

napoleon - civil war - navel history - ww's ... books i've read - sorry.

the desert bibles are to corrupt for a non sinner to read in volume - not sorry at all.

 

[presonorek]

That makes no sense. There were no "Palestinians" in 1948 and the Arabs who stayed became full fledged Israeli citizens,

I'm sorry. We are from different planets.

 

[rosends]

I'm sorry. We are from different planets.

well, when you make it to earth, let me know. I'll show you around.

 

[hobelim]

"There were really 613 rules but I think Israelites have a long legacy of being lax about enforcing rules that continues even to this day."

Do you believe there is any human element required or necessary for God to enforce violations of his own Law?

 

[rosends]

Do you believe there is any human element required or necessary for God to enforce violations of his own Law?

Yes. The Torah details a very complex and necessary human court system.

 

[hobelim]

Yes. The Torah details a very complex and necessary human court system.

OK.

Does that mean that you don't think that, for instance, that a person who claims to believe in the Hebrew God, Moses, the Prophets, the ten Commandments and all, but then openly commits idolatry does not die, "the death", in the very same day they brazenly set aside the Law to seek spiritual life from that which is not God?

Isn't the fact that they cannot see the absurdity in their practices evidence that they have their reward already? "The death" a curse. See? No human element necessary, no court needed to judge guilt or enforce the Law.

If you think a human court is necessary how is it that so many people have died "the death" for sin without one?