What do you expect of Billionaires being the leaders?

[Luckyone]

The US has, for a long time, been run by the rich. They just weren't the presidents or the Congressmen. Nothing will change

Not true. Obama was not "run by the rich". I do not think Biden was but there I am not so sure

 

[Luckyone]

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Yes ... And I have known quite a few wealthy people who have probably suffered more than me at times.
The question is ... Can you empathize with wealthy people ... Do you honestly think you can understand the hardships they have conquered?

Most people can't ... And that very well could be one of the reasons they aren't wealthy ...

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There are exemptions to the rule but what you stated is not the rule and certainly is not the case with Trump or Musk

 

[Luckyone]

Nobody has felt what I feel or what I have gone through. My life and experiences are unique to me just as everyone else's are unique to them.

But we are all human and experience pain, shame, guilt, stress, grief, disappointment, loss as well a joy, happiness, love, friendship, and the satisfaction of accomplishments. These are not unique to any class. Very rich people can have a rough go of it in ways that are usually not financial. What matters is the values they rely upon in life. In our present age, a great many of the (credentialed) wealthy elite have thoroughly corrupt and misplaced values. This is why Trump beat Kam!. Trump in general displays quite healthy values in regards to a loving family, hard work, and being a productive member of the community. His ability to relate to working people contributed greatly to his victory. Contrast that with the Dems who view such people as garbage.

Yes, each of us is unique but overall there is not a lot of different painful experiences (death of a loved one, physical damage, loss of income or unexpected expense, discrimination, hate against us, etc.) that cannot be put in a general list.

Having said that, both Trump and Musk have shown us clearly (through their actions throughout their lives) that their experiences have not taught them caring for others. Have not taught them empathy. In fact, Trump's actions have shown that he does not learn from his mistakes (he always blames others for anything that goes wrong). It is a classic narcissist trait.

 

[BlackSand]

There are exemptions to the rule but what you stated is not the rule and certainly is not the case with Trump or Musk

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That's what happens when you try to inflate the value of one group of people by improperly devaluing another group.
The only truth is that you cannot empathize with President Trump or Elon Musk.

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[frigidweirdo]

Not true. Obama was not "run by the rich". I do not think Biden was but there I am not so sure

Obama was only the president.

The president doesn't have the much power, especially at home.

But even in foreign affairs it's very easy for the media to manipulate "public opinion". President will be able to do minor things, but in reality the rich get their way.

The Koch brothers, for example, have changed US politics massively. They started by manipulating the right wing and moving it further to the right, they've stopped proper change from happening, they've made money more important by bribing the Supreme Court to make it happen.

 

[ThisIsMe]

So you will go along even if at the end, you are not important and will get only the crumbs left behind?

You're assuming that your bullet points are true. That is what i was getting at.

As.far as crumbs? All I know is when trump got into office, my tax return size increased, I was paying FAR less in fuel prices, and I didn't have to sell body parts to afford groceries...

 

[Luckyone]

You're assuming that your bullet points are true. That is what i was getting at.

As.far as crumbs? All I know is when trump got into office, my tax return size increased, I was paying FAR less in fuel prices, and I didn't have to sell body parts to afford groceries...

Crumbs that would turn into inedible food a few years later (see the long term effects of tax cuts, that have been documented throughout history). Had the pandemic not occurred, you would not have been paying for fuel and food any more under Biden than under Trump.

 

[Luckyone]

Obama was only the president.

The president doesn't have the much power, especially at home.

But even in foreign affairs it's very easy for the media to manipulate "public opinion". President will be able to do minor things, but in reality the rich get their way.

The Koch brothers, for example, have changed US politics massively. They started by manipulating the right wing and moving it further to the right, they've stopped proper change from happening, they've made money more important by bribing the Supreme Court to make it happen.

Money has always had a lot of power behind it but that is everywhere in the world and that is simply a part of humanity. Nonetheless, that is why our constitution was made, to lower the power of any person or group. Trump tried to work around the Constitution. As a president he can. Rich people have a problems doing so.

 

[Luckyone]

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That's what happens when you try to inflate the value of one group of people by improperly devaluing another group.
The only truth is that you cannot empathize with President Trump or Elon Musk.

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You mean WE (the people) have to empathize with the rich leaders? Isn't it the LEADERS that have to empathize with the citizens?

 

[BlackSand]

Nonetheless, that is why our constitution was made, to lower the power of any person or group.

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Incorrect ... The Constitution was created to define and limit the Powers granted to the Federal Government ...

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[BlackSand]

You mean WE (the people) have to empathize with the rich leaders? Isn't it the LEADERS that have to empathize with the citizens?

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We the People have the choice to choose our Leaders in a Democratically Elected Representative Republic ...

No one has to empathize with anyone ...
Which is a good thing because very few people can empathize with anything other than what they know.
That's mostly due to people who want to add or subtract value to individuals based solely on their own Desires and Perceptions.

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[BluesLegend]

So you prefer the republican strategy of spending just as much as the democrats, but borrowing the money instead of increasing taxes, and putting us into the enormous debt we have today.

That's your preference?

Trump and the American people went full Haka on the Dem regime!

 

[Luckyone]

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Incorrect ... The Constitution was created to define and limit the Powers granted to the Federal Government ...

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That is what I said. Limit is the word. Power does not like limits. The Constitution limits the power of the rich and powerful

 

[Luckyone]

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We the People have the choice to choose our Leaders in a Democratically Elected Representative Republic ...

No one has to empathize with anyone ...
Which is a good thing because very few people can empathize with anything other than what they know.
That's mostly due to people who want to add or subtract value to individuals based solely on their own Desires and Perceptions.

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No one HAS TO but we all prefer someone that considers us and tries to help all of us, not just a few of us...........especially the rich

 

[BlackSand]

That is what I said. Limit is the word. Power does not like limits. The Constitution limits the power of the rich and powerful

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Power does not like or dislike anything ... It is simply the ability to limit or influence others.

The Constitution does limit the power of the Federal Government and what it can make any individual do ...
And the Constitution was not created to limit any individual based simply on their wealth.

The Constitution was not created to allow the Federal Government to pick winners and losers ...
And it was created to specifically forbid the Federal Government from doing that very thing.

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[elektra]

Churchill was not the point of the OP.

Do you believe that wealthy people have ever felt what you feel and have gone through in your life?

I know they have. All of course not. Some, yes.

Rich people suffer the same as poor, just in a nicer house or car. As far as empathy goes, that is a human trait. Some people rich or poor will have empathy.

A Google search, what you hear on CNN or Comedy Central, will never ever tell you if Trump or anyone else has empathy for other people.

Do rich people have empathy? Obviously the Democrats have no empathy for the people. They just spent $1.5 billion in 15 weeks. By your standards, Kamala and the Democrats have no empathy.

Funny thing is, you show no empathy towards your fellow people.

 

[BlackSand]

No one HAS TO but we all prefer someone that considers us and tries to help all of us, not just a few of us...........especially the rich

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I didn't ask you what your Desires or Perceptions may be ...
I simply stated that an individual's value to society is not dependent on how you view their wealth.
It doesn't matter if an individual is rich or poor ... The Constitution serves us all equally as citizens.

If an individual desires to be considered as helpful ... Well ...
I damn sure don't need to steal someone else's money ... Nor do I need the Federal Government or Legislation ...
To help my neighbor so I can feel better about myself ...

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[frigidweirdo]

Money has always had a lot of power behind it but that is everywhere in the world and that is simply a part of humanity. Nonetheless, that is why our constitution was made, to lower the power of any person or group. Trump tried to work around the Constitution. As a president he can. Rich people have a problems doing so.

Here's the difference.

In the EU, where a lot of governments are elected by Proportional Representation, or at least have far more choice than two parties, the EU said that companies had to pay the rate of tax that each country set. They couldn't have a lower rate because they did a "special deal". In the US on the other hand, the larger the company, the better a "special deal" they'll get for moving to a new place, or even just staying.

Says everything, I think

 

[elektra]

And it wasn't 10 million it was $400 million.
And along the way Trump managed to lose $1 billion in a single year.

Ha, you voted for Biden, thinking you were right, and now I get to show you are wrong again.

Yea, in 1999 Trump's father died, the $400 million you speak of is in 1999. It was also not $400 million, or $413 million. Trump's dad gave him around $200 million. Almost half of the figure you get with a Google search.

Me being wiser than you, I know Trump was rich long before 1999. Trump got $10 million from his dad 25 years before 1999, the year you spoke of.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Crumbs that would turn into inedible food a few years later (see the long term effects of tax cuts, that have been documented throughout history). Had the pandemic not occurred, you would not have been paying for fuel and food any more under Biden than under Trump.

Yes, a pandemic has an effect on the economy, it's also why trumps spending was 8 trillion instead of 4 trillion. Aside from a world wide pandemic, trumps economy produced better results.

As far as tax cuts go, isn't it strange how, no matter who is in office, one will raise taxes, another will lower them, and nothing realt seems to change. This is because taxes are just one side of the coin. The answer isn't taxes, it's cutting spending.

Repubs will lower taxes, but they need to cut spending as well.

Dems will raise taxes, but then they find new ways to spend the new tax revenue, but in either case, nothing really changes for the common man.

All I know is, when trump was there, I was paying less for goods and services. Now, years after covid is over, things are really expensive.