What do you expect of Billionaires being the leaders?

[Luckyone]

The trouble with that is this. You have to have a LOT of money, hundreds of millions or even a billion or two, to successfully run for president. If you don't have a lot of money yourself, you're dependent on the party and party donors to get it. If you want someone who is willing to fight and change things, you're going up against the party and its donors, so you'd better have access to a lot of money outside the party power structure. There are very few billionaires willing to spend tens or hundreds of millions of their own money to run for president.

TRUMP! has been successful in his life. Orange Man Bad has you believing anything and everything negative anyone has said about him.

cmon

 

[BlackSand]

But the fact remains that the far right controls the executive branch, the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court and 80% of all states

Here is the AI response on what it would take to change the Constitution

To change the United States Constitution, an amendment must go through the following process:

• Proposal
  Two-thirds of both houses of Congress must pass the proposed amendment. Alternatively, two-thirds of state legislatures can request that Congress call a convention to propose amendments.
• Ratification
  Three-fourths of state legislatures or conventions must ratify the amendment.

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The President is elected by the People.
Members of Congress are elected by the People.
Justices on the Supreme Court are nominated by the President and confirmed by Congress.

The Constitution establishes those rules ...
And grants the People the ability to choose their President and Representatives in Congress.
That's why it is called a Democratically Elected Representative Republic.

I already told you who can change the Constitution and how that occurs ...
The process is defined in the Constitution.

You cannot use Party Politics to ignore the Constitution and the Will of the People ...
Defined by who they vote for as their Representatives and the Power granted to their Representatives by the Constitution ...
Unless of course you want to ignore the Constitution and get rid of our Democratically Elected Representative Republic.

My response is not AI generated ...
It's what you should have learned in Middle School Civics ...

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[elektra]

Yet Trump is a billionaire, with golf courses planes hotels casinos.

BS

Yes, all you have is a rant, bigotry, your opinion formed from your prejudices and character flaws.

What you accuse Trump of being, a failure, is your life, is you.

 

[Luckyone]

Yet Trump is a billionaire, with golf courses planes hotels casinos.

Yes, all you have is a rant, bigotry, your opinion formed from your prejudices and character flaws.

What you accuse Trump of being, a failure, is your life, is you.

Unfortunately for you, facts do not support your statement.

 

[elektra]

Unfortunately for you, facts do not support your statement.

In this thread you post opinion and contradictions, you do not engage in a discussion.

Facts, you are bigoted. You make statements about how all rich people think without having any waybof knowing, that is bigotry.j

Facts, you presented leaders as growing up poor who did not grow up poor.

Facts, you constructed a false premise, a strawman argument that you now ignore when I confront you with facts.

 

[BlackSand]

Unfortunately for you, facts do not support your statement.

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Oh ... I carelessly forgot to answer your Poll Question ...
In the true spirit of US Message Board ... Here's your answer:

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[Luckyone]

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Oh ... I carelessly forgot to answer your Poll Question ...
In the true spirit of US Message Board ... Here's your answer:

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Thanks, I love pineapple

 

[hadit]

But most of the states are under Republican support and all it takes is a majority

It takes a majority within each state and 3/4 of the states must support the amendment.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Good posts, Black. Few ever touch on these fundamental things here anymore.

Which kind of sucks, really. So often everything's just a mirror image of whatever is on the tv, I guess.

 

[Natural Citizen]

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Oh ... I carelessly forgot to answer your Poll Question ...
In the true spirit of US Message Board ... Here's your answer:

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Another lost, forgotten tradition.

I tell ya. Some people...

 

[BlackSand]

Another lost, forgotten tradition.

I tell ya. Some people...

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Hush Damnit ... That Shit is Top Secret ... You Either Know or You Don't ...

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[hadit]

cmon

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What, your standard of success is every endeavor has to be a roaring success? How many times did Edison fail before he created the light bulb? Face it, TRUMP! is a success. You don't get to the top of the New York real estate market by being a failure, no matter what Orange Man Bad tells you.

 

[WEATHER53]

Churchill was not the point of the OP.

Do you believe that wealthy people have ever felt what you feel and have gone through in your life?

Stereotype
Pigonhole
BLM is great but
359 billionaires ruining America
Extole criminals and illegals and lambaste those with money
It’s lib loons favorite racism

 

[Luckyone]

Stereotype
Pigonhole
BLM is great but
359 billionaires ruining America
Extole criminals and illegals and lambaste those with money
It’s lib loons favorite racism

Back to the usual far right BS, eh?

You cannot address something as simple as Trump and Musk are billionaires and they don't give a shit about you, can you?

 

[WEATHER53]

Back to the usual far right BS, eh?

You cannot address something as simple as Trump and Musk are billionaires and they don't give a shit about you, can you?

I just did but you don’t like the spot on identification . You are spouting prejudice and don’t “give a shit” about that.

 

[Man With A Plan]

I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:

1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.

Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?

Your ignorance knows no bounds! The list of "leaders" that you claim didn't come from wealthy families? I hate to break this to you but all of them except Lincoln came from wealthy families! ALL OF THEM!

 

[Luckyone]

What, your standard of success is every endeavor has to be a roaring success? How many times did Edison fail before he created the light bulb? Face it, TRUMP! is a success. You don't get to the top of the New York real estate market by being a failure, no matter what Orange Man Bad tells you.

Let me put it in a way that even you can understand

In 1974, Trump got $414 million from his father. If he had put that into the SPX and done NOTHING, it would be worth $414 billion today. Trump is worth $2.6 billion today.

Once again, if he had done nothing but put that money in the SPX and let it sit there until now, it would be worth 15 times more than he is worth now. Is that being a good businessman?

Here is the AI generated information on what I just said:

If you had invested $1,000 in the S&P 500 (SPX) in 1974, it would be worth approximately $1,000,000 today, considering the historical average annual return of around 11% with reinvesting dividends.

Michael Bloomberg started in 1981 (7 years after Trump started) and he started with nothing and is now worth $106 billion and he has donated to charity $17.6 billion. This means that in his business life, he has made 47 times more money than Trump and he started with NOTHING

As of April 2024, Forbes ranked him as the thirteenth-richest person in the world, with an estimated net worth of US$106.2 billion. Bloomberg, who has signed The Giving Pledge, has given away $17.4 billion to philanthropic causes in his lifetime. Bloomberg was elected the 108th mayor of New York City in 2001.

 

[Luckyone]

I just did but you don’t like the spot on identification . You are spouting prejudice and don’t “give a shit” about that.

Prejudice against incompetence and con artists? You better believe it. I do have that prejudice.

 

[Luckyone]

Your ignorance knows no bounds! The list of "leaders" that you claim didn't come from wealthy families? I hate to break this to you but all of them except Lincoln came from wealthy families! ALL OF THEM!

I suggest you read all of my responses on this OP. What you said is the same thing others have said and with ONE exception, you are wrong. Even then, none of them were born to Billionaire families. Wealthy is not necessarily Billionaire.

Having said that, the OP is about Billionaires born in Billionaire families being able to relate to poor and middle class families. Answer that before criticizing anything else. That is what the OP is about

 

[WEATHER53]

Prejudice against incompetence and con artists? You better believe it. I do have that prejudice.

No prejudice that a very tiny tiny portion of Americans are inherently bad people because they don’t relate to your sorry, whiny, blaming ass