What do you expect of Billionaires being the leaders?

[Luckyone]

The Milei route seems to be going quite well for Argentina. If Trump can mimic that, that's an "extreme" I'm ok with.

You truly are searching for straws in a haystack, aren't you? How you can compare Milei in Argentina and Trump here is beyond ridiculous. You do know that Argentina was in an extreme spiral down, don't you? In 2023, the inflation growth rate was 214% (compared to here at 3%). Their GPD was plummeting (versus here, growing) and their businesses and company's were going bankrupt (here showing record profits).

So what the hell are you talking about?

Milei came in and:

Argentina: the making of an economic miracle?​

Governing with economic prudence has revived growth.

Do you consider it prudent of Trump to get rid of 11-20 million illegal aliens, raising tariffs on China 60%, choosing loyal over competent people for the important jobs and seeking revenge on all that went after him PRUDENT?

If you do, you need a shrink!

 

[sparky]

I can find more but isn't that enough specific examples?

those are not extremes Lucky, lack of them is an extreme, which has resulted in economic damage Trump is planning to remedy
~S~

 

[sparky]

Do you consider it prudent of Trump to get rid of 11-20 million illegal aliens, raising tariffs on China 60%, choosing loyal over competent people for the important jobs and seeking revenge on all that went after him PRUDENT?

In other words, we've nowhere to go but UP via Trump following Milei's 'prudent' path of what you call 'extremes'

not seeing the obvious rates a shrink Lucky
~S~

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

those are not extremes Lucky, lack of them is an extreme, which has resulted in economic damage Trump is planning to remedy
~S~

Damage Trump will inflict, just like last time.

MORONS.........2.0, but worse.
Now he has nutjobs agreeing with the NUT JOB.

 

[Luckyone]

In other words, we've nowhere to go but UP via Trump following Milei's 'prudent' path of what you call 'extremes'

not seeing the obvious rates a shrink Lucky
~S~

You are entitled to your opinion. Nonetheless, anyone that does not see these actions as extremes, does not have any idea of what is normal

 

[sparky]

You are entitled to your opinion

I do thank you, and thank you to note it's a nationally accepted opinion Lucky

~S~

 

[Luckyone]

I do thank you, and thank you to note it's a nationally accepted opinion Lucky

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~S~

It may be but that does not mean that it is right. Ask the people in Venezuela if their opinion on choosing Chavez as president in 1998 was the right thing to do. He was released from prison and 2 years later he was voted in NATIONALLY as president and since then (26 years), every Venezuelan that voted for him (the majority) has been regretting their decision big time. Venezuela is a total disaster as a nation right now.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Trump's face, is a safety vest.................

 

[ThisIsMe]

The point of my answer was to prove your statement wrong. The Republicans are as willing or more to sabotage the Democrats than otherwise.

Eh, I'd argue that's not really true. I can't recall a time when repubs preemptively said they planned on trying to ruin someone's presidency. They certainly have voted against dems in a lot of cases, but democrats are notorious for walking in sync when it comes to their votes and efforts. At least when repubs were in charge, when you had people like Ryan and McConnel, you had someone who would let democrats have more say than democrats would ever let repubs have in the same situation.

In other words, a democrat president fares MUCH better under a republican congress because repub congress always seems to want to "get along" and "we have to work together"

 

[Luckyone]

Eh, I'd argue that's not really true. I can't recall a time when repubs preemptively said they planned on trying to ruin someone's presidency. They certainly have voted against dems in a lot of cases, but democrats are notorious for walking in sync when it comes to their votes and efforts. At least when repubs were in charge, when you had people like Ryan and McConnel, you had someone who would let democrats have more say than democrats would ever let repubs have in the same situation.

In other words, a democrat president fares MUCH better under a republican congress because repub congress always seems to want to "get along" and "we have to work together"

What a load of BS.

The Trump logo is "my way or the highway".

This is the Republicans vs the Democrats in a visual way

 

[Luckyone]

Talking about a man having a true version of the future. Here is George Carlin nailing who Trump is before Trump was even in the picture. George Carlin died in 2008 and Trump became president in 2016.

Wow, Carlin must be the seer of all seers

 

[ThisIsMe]

What a load of BS.

The Trump logo is "my way or the highway".

This is the Republicans vs the Democrats in a visual way

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.you can post all the memes you want, it doesn't change anything. Why do you think everyone was so against having McConnell as senate majority leader again? It's because his whole deal was "aww we have to be nice, we have to reach across the aisle, we have to work with the other side"


That's something that democrats never do. They only talk about the need to work together when they lose, hence Chuck Schumer speech the other day

 

[Luckyone]

.you can post all the memes you want, it doesn't change anything. Why do you think everyone was so against having McConnell as senate majority leader again? It's because his whole deal was "aww we have to be nice, we have to reach across the aisle, we have to work with the other side"


That's something that democrats never do. They only talk about the need to work together when they lose, hence Chuck Schumer speech the other day

You mean like when he prevented Garland from getting to a vote 11-months before Obama was to leave office, saying that we should wait for the next president to be in office but then pushed through the nomination of Amy Comey Barrett with just 6 weeks before the 2020 election?

Or like when the Democrats wanted voting rights legislation that many Republicans were not against but McConnell blocked it so that it could not even come up for a vote?

 

[Dekster]

I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:

1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.

Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?

LOL They tossed Churchill and his party to the curb as soon as the war was over.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You mean like when he prevented Garland from getting to a vote 11-months before Obama was to leave office, saying that we should wait for the next president to be in office but then pushed through the nomination of Amy Comey Barrett with just 6 weeks before the 2020 election?

Or like when the Democrats wanted voting rights legislation that many Republicans were not against but McConnell blocked it so that it could not even come up for a vote?

Yep, even with that, overall, McConnell was a weak knee'd go along to get along leader who gave more power to democrats thT he ever should have.

I agree about the judge pick, that he should have honored the agreement, however, I also believe democrats would have done the same thing if they were in the same position.

On the voting rights legislation, that was voted on right along party lines. All dems for it all repubs against it

 

[Cellblock2429]

I truly have a question that I would like to discuss. It is more of a general question but it does apply now.

What do you expect from Billionaires that are leaders, especially those that grew up in wealthy homes having everything they needed from the get go? Do you expect them to understand the travails, obstacles, hardships, needs of the middle and poor class? Be able to relate empathize to them in a way that is real?

In the case of Trump and of Musk, these are two leaders that were born rich and never had to experience the travails of a poor man or even of the middle class person. Can such a person understand and feel what the poor and middle class person had to go through to pay their bills, take care of their family, make sure there was food on the table, that they had health insurance and that the medical bills got paid? Did they ever have to experience racism, bullying, injustice, and life's pain as they grew up? Ever have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet?

I want to now talk history and about some of the great leaders history has brought us.

Here are 5 that I found on Google

1) Mahatma Gandhi
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
3) Abraham Lincoln
4) Nelson Mandela
5) Winston Churchill

Did any of these people come from wealthy families? were they wealthy themselves? No, they weren't!

On the other side of the coin, here are 4 leaders that were among the richest of all time and see the havoc they wrought on their people

1) Augustus Caesar
2) Cosimo de Medici
3) Mansa Musa
4) Genghis Khan

I am not saying that wealthiness prevents someone from being a great leader, given that JF Kennedy was born to a rich family and was rich himself and was a good president. Nonetheless, there are several things that are "rarely" taught in rich families that are necessary ingredients that a leader must have. They are:

1. Character and Integrity: Great leaders have unwavering character and integrity. They stick to their values and principles even when the decision is tough. Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln exemplified this and led their followers with honesty and moral courage.
2. Vision and Strategy: A great leader has a clear vision for the future and the strategic thinking to make it happen. Jeff Bezos, for example, has disrupted the retail industry with his long-term view and innovative strategies at Amazon.
3. Empathy and Emotional Intelligence: Leaders who understand and connect with their followers’ emotions can inspire and motivate like no one else. Martin Luther King Jr.’s empathetic approach and communication skills were key to the civil rights movement.
4. Resilience and Perseverance: Great leadership requires the ability to withstand tough times and persevere through adversity. Nelson Mandela’s commitment to justice and equality despite decades of imprisonment shows incredible resilience.
5. Impact and Legacy: Ultimately, a leader’s greatness is measured by the impact they have on their organization, community, or the world. The greatest leaders leave a legacy that continues to inspire and influence long after they are gone.

Of these 5 attributes, there are two that neither Trump nor Musk possess and that is Character and Integrity and Empathy and Emotional Intelligence. Without those two, the leader is very limited in what he will be able to accomplish "for the people"

As such, my view is that these two leaders we now have cannot become great for our nation. Having said that, I want to hear your views but your views need to be based on the fact that both of these men were born to wealthy families and never had to go through what you and I went through. How can they empathize with us without having some personal benefit to themselves as first priority? Have money, fame and power as their top priority?

/——/ Billionaires can’t be bribed or threatened. They understand how money and the economy works.

 

[Luckyone]

Yep, even with that, overall, McConnell was a weak knee'd go along to get along leader who gave more power to democrats thT he ever should have.

I agree about the judge pick, that he should have honored the agreement, however, I also believe democrats would have done the same thing if they were in the same position.

On the voting rights legislation, that was voted on right along party lines. All dems for it all repubs against it

Show me facts. Produce the events where McConnell was "weak knee'd". Words do not mean anything

By the way, my knowledge of McConnell totally differs from yours. To me, McConnell was a strong Conservative and I proved it with the two examples that I gave.

Do the same (give actual examples) that prove your point

 

[ThisIsMe]

Show me facts. Produce the events where McConnell was "weak knee'd". Words do not mean anything

By the way, my knowledge of McConnell totally differs from yours. To me, McConnell was a strong Conservative and I proved it with the two examples that I gave.

Do the same (give actual examples) that prove your point

Most specifically, the debt ceiling he caved on, and the 2020 congress where mcconnell caved on a power sharing deal and allowed democrats to take over all committee chairs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/mcconnell-relents-on-senate-rules-signals-power-sharing-deal-with-democrats/2021/01/25/fe4d1634-5f7c-11eb-9061-07abcc1f9229_story.html

Without the deal in place, Senate committees remained frozen from the previous Congress, where Republicans held a majority. That has created the unusual circumstance where Democrats have control of the floor while GOP chairs remain in charge of most committees.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I know, Orange Man Bad, you hate TRUMP! rabidly and irrationally and cannot credit him with anything under the sun.

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One of the very rare pieces of good news for working class Americans from the middle on down is that the polygamous marriage of Trump Mask Putin with the blessing of white evangelical biblical worldview Christianity that has sold out to the billionaire class, will now flip the narrative that billionaires are not evil.

Musk is evil.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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