basquebromance
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i'm too sleepy to have a long nuanced conversation about the middle east. it's 2:30 AM in lebanon. maybe some other time?
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No need for a long discussion. You don’t have to post here if you don’t want to.i'm too sleepy to have a long nuanced conversation about the middle east. it's 2:30 AM in lebanon. maybe some other time?
well i became interested in politics because i hated bush and the iraq war. i'm only 34, so i'm too young to have an opinion about what happened before though i know about Saddam's ruthlessnessNo need for a long discussion. You don’t have to post here if you don’t want to.
Maybe come in tomorrow and provide a brief post describing your views of Iraq before 2003.
You are somewhat not understanding Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Hussein was such a cruel and sadistic dictator that he seldom slept two nights under the same roof. He has dozens of body doubles to confuse assassins. He never protected the Chaldeans. He ran them through plastic shredders, feet first. He made families of the executed watch. He tied gays into chairs and pushed them off rooftops. How could you have forgotten? How could you forget Hussein's odious sons who had women they fancied kidnapped off the street. After a night of rape and torture the girls had their throats cut and bodies dumped. How could you possibly find this honor and dignity? I am appalled.This type of line of thinking could be said toward every so-called US alliance. But there are those within America and whatever countries we are working with that feel a genuine connection. Is often a connection between the people of the countries involved. And then there are those in the governments who only care about money and power to your point.
Testimonials from Arab speaks volumes and some of them say Iraq was a much much better country in the 1980s. I just go by the facts. Iraq was a country where women could dress as they want where they could rise up into the workforce let’s compare that to Iran, the Islamic Republic of Iran… a hell hole where women have to cover their hair there they can’t leave their homes without their hair covered.
The other point is I deeply admire the idea of the Arab nation, of Arab nationalism which goes back to life of Gamal Nasser of Egypt. And what we saw in Iraq in the 1980s and 1990s was unity between Arab Christians and Arab Muslims and that is something to admire. I mean anybody with a heart and a soul would admire that. Those who have the love of romance and of history would admire that.
Iraq used to have honor and dignity and now the country is influenced by Iran. But there are a lot of Iraqis to this day who are protesting that… they want to say hands off Iran we want our country back …I admire those people.
Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam. Which one was worse in retrospect? "Right now" who's "the enemy"? Who's their enemy? Who's "my friend"?
That is all hearsay my friend. How can you say that though when the second in command of Iraq was a Christian.You are somewhat not understanding Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Hussein was such a cruel and sadistic dictator that he seldom slept two nights under the same roof. He has dozens of body doubles to confuse assassins. He never protected the Chaldeans. He ran them through plastic shredders, feet first. He made families of the executed watch. He tied gays into chairs and pushed them off rooftops. How could you have forgotten? How could you forget Hussein's odious sons who had women they fancied kidnapped off the street. After a night of rape and torture the girls had their throats cut and bodies dumped. How could you possibly find this honor and dignity? I am appalled.
The position of the United States has always been that Hussein was a degenerate son of a bitch but he was our degenerate son of a bitch so our leadership turned a complete blind eye to his predations on the Iraqui people. Yes, he kept the peace, so did Lenin.
Apparently Hussein was admired in parts of Jordan.well i became interested in politics because i hated bush and the iraq war. i'm only 34, so i'm too young to have an opinion about what happened before though i know about Saddam's ruthlessness
Utter nonsense. Why would "BLM" even give a crap? And the Democratic Party moving to the right as it has lately, changes nothing about the left. Real leftists remain anti-war by definition.and now BLM and the far left who are pushing this insane war against Russia and China. All based on nonsense everything we’re doing now and frankly since 2003 has gotten away from how our country used to act in the middle of the 20th century when we were a much better country.
Utter nonsense. Why would "BLM" even give a crap? And the Democratic Party moving to the right as it has lately, changes nothing about the left. Real leftists remain anti-war by definition.
Like Bernie, BLM, and AOC largely see themselves as having no choice but to work with and/or within the current existing power structure deemed "viable" by the corporate media and therefore the voting public at large. An extremely practical choice.. willingly being a part of the corporate duopoly and hoping that the side facing more toward the left will someday perhaps break free somehow.. Can't blame them too much for that. Bernie had many of us actual leftists believing that possible again for quite a while. But all was a pipedream nonetheless.I don’t see BLM doing anything at all and they’re major Democrat supporters which is practically the whole Democrat party to stop this insane funding of the Russia Ukraine war. They’re doing nothing brother. Like AOC she supports sending money to Ukraine and she’s a big-time pro BLM person.
It’s not nonsense it is a spot on analogy
You are somewhat not understanding Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Hussein was such a cruel and sadistic dictator that he seldom slept two nights under the same roof. He has dozens of body doubles to confuse assassins. He never protected the Chaldeans. He ran them through plastic shredders, feet first. He made families of the executed watch. He tied gays into chairs and pushed them off rooftops. How could you have forgotten? How could you forget Hussein's odious sons who had women they fancied kidnapped off the street. After a night of rape and torture the girls had their throats cut and bodies dumped. How could you possibly find this honor and dignity? I am appalled.
The position of the United States has always been that Hussein was a degenerate son of a bitch but he was our degenerate son of a bitch so our leadership turned a complete blind eye to his predations on the Iraqui people. Yes, he kept the peace, so did Lenin.
This type of line of thinking could be said toward every so-called US alliance. But there are those within America and whatever countries we are working with that feel a genuine connection. Is often a connection between the people of the countries involved. And then there are those in the governments who only care about money and power to your point.
Testimonials from Arab speaks volumes and some of them say Iraq was a much much better country in the 1980s. I just go by the facts. Iraq was a country where women could dress as they want where they could rise up into the workforce let’s compare that to Iran, the Islamic Republic of Iran… a hell hole where women have to cover their hair there they can’t leave their homes without their hair covered.
The other point is I deeply admire the idea of the Arab nation, of Arab nationalism which goes back to life of Gamal Nasser of Egypt. And what we saw in Iraq in the 1980s and 1990s was unity between Arab Christians and Arab Muslims and that is something to admire. I mean anybody with a heart and a soul would admire that. Those who have the love of romance and of history would admire that.
Iraq used to have honor and dignity and now the country is influenced by Iran. But there are a lot of Iraqis to this day who are protesting that… they want to say hands off Iran we want our country back …I admire those people.
That is all hearsay my friend. How can you say that though when the second in command of Iraq was a Christian.
Iraq was supplied lethal weapon by the United States , France and other countries during the 1980s to fight against Iran.
This is certainly the case that Israel was able to successfully defeat Arab country after Arab country. That’s all the more reason why we should not be giving billions of dollars a year to Israel. Frankly a lot of people in Israel say we don’t even need this anymore it’s not a good look for our country we shouldn’t be taking this. As is because of the financial support from America Israel looks like a country that has its hands out for money every year…Iraq and other Arab countries were in the Soviet sphere of influence until the early 1970's. Most people like to forget that in their selective historical memories of Da Evul Amurkin Empire's Evul Past. They only dumped the SU after Israel handed the Arab states their asses in 1973, thanks to LBJ's Cold War policies, continued by Nixon. We were still backing the Shah, and rightly so, as we can see from the results of the Mullahs' rule. The Arabs needed a scapegoat for their embarrassing losses so they blamed the SU for not giving them more advanced armor and gear, which of course is ridiculous, plus the SU was bankrupted by then and was relying on western wheat and refined petroleum products iports from the West, including the U.S.
Blaming the CIA for general ME craziness is a form of mental illness, like TDS and BDS.