What do normal people - think of Israel?

[MaryL]

Normal people wonder if Palestine has a right to exist. Since it was created by the British in 1916 or so carved out of Jordan and Lebanon. And Arab Muslims and Jews co existed there for hundreds of years before, what is the problem? What do Normal people think? Israel is the Jewish homeland, that's what normal people think. Israel is the safe place, it's home ...I don't know what else to say.

 

[cnm]

What do "normal" people think of Arabs? Islamic 9/11 suicide cell rocket launching Anti Jewish Arabs? Not the other ones, the quiet Muslims like the the silent Germans before Hitler came to power. They all hide so well. Were are the "Normal" MUSLIMS? Good Muslims, is that a oxymoron? Time will tell.

They think they're a bit like the inhabitants of ghettos or Bantustans.

 

[cnm]

When speaking of "normal" relative to the implication of a "majority" --- you are speaking about a Gaussian distribution.

I have never considered that distribution must be normal for a majority to exist. I'm not sure from where you get that idea.

 

[Mindful]

Mature nations don't blather on about "right to exist", they just do it.

Israel shows it is on the verge of not existing by insisting it has a right.
It has none. When it is gone no one, but idiots, will miss it.

But you'll not have anything to piss and moan about then.

No.
Well, no worries. I am sure we can live without another wannabe master race clogging up the system.

What do you mean by that, exactly?

 

[cnm]

I think he means that immature nations blather on about 'a right to exist'.

 

[RoccoR]

cnm, et al,

I think I got it from your posting.

'Normal people' is the majority of the world's population. I think you'll agree that by definition they must comprise the norm.

'Normal people' do not think Israel is unintentionally settling in the Occupied Territories, therefore the settlements must be intentional.

When speaking of "normal" relative to the implication of a "majority" --- you are speaking about a Gaussian distribution.

I have never considered that distribution must be normal for a majority to exist. I'm not sure from where you get that idea.

(COMMENT)

You are correct. In the distribution, you can have "abnormally low" (that is below the first standard deviation from "µ") or "abnormally high" (that is above the first standard deviation from "µ") ... And it is those that think "outside-the-box" (normal) that have the greatest insight to complex issues.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[theliq]

Normal people wonder if Palestine has a right to exist. Since it was created by the British in 1916 or so carved out of Jordan and Lebanon. And Arab Muslims and Jews co existed there for hundreds of years before, what is the problem? What do Normal people think? Israel is the Jewish homeland, that's what normal people think. Israel is the safe place, it's home ...I don't know what else to say.

Completely wrong in every aspect of your prose.....I shall not even try to explain to you.........because I have analysed you and quite frankly because you are a borderline Cretin......you just are not worth my time...but have a nice life........all the same.

 

[theliq]

What do "normal" people think of Arabs? Islamic 9/11 suicide cell rocket launching Anti Jewish Arabs? Not the other ones, the quiet Muslims like the the silent Germans before Hitler came to power. They all hide so well. Were are the "Normal" MUSLIMS? Good Muslims, is that a oxymoron? Time will tell.

You forgot to mention the Jews who collaborated with hitler and sent their own kith and kin to the Gas Chambers.......you know your silent Jews,Idiot

You certainly are not normal..........just a Moron, Oxye

 

[theliq]

r

cnm, et al,

I think I got it from your posting.

'Normal people' is the majority of the world's population. I think you'll agree that by definition they must comprise the norm.

'Normal people' do not think Israel is unintentionally settling in the Occupied Territories, therefore the settlements must be intentional.

When speaking of "normal" relative to the implication of a "majority" --- you are speaking about a Gaussian distribution.

I have never considered that distribution must be normal for a majority to exist. I'm not sure from where you get that idea.

(COMMENT)

You are correct. In the distribution, you can have "abnormally low" (that is below the first standard deviation from "µ") or "abnormally high" (that is above the first standard deviation from "µ") ... And it is those that think "outside-the-box" (normal) that have the greatest insight to complex issues.

Most Respectfully,
R

LOL Rocco....methinks you are on the right track but just refer to them as abnormals......any how what do you think is "normal".....Stinking Jihardists.....The US Government bombing and killing 130,000 Iraqis in an afternoon...........I think you have painted yourself into a corner pal.steve


So by your own words you think that normal people think ... Israel is settling the Occupied(yes they are occupied,got that right)Territories on purpose...Well you are right of course.....not that you mean't that but your use of the double-negative made your post the opposite of what you mean't.................keep it up

 

[RoccoR]

theliq, et al,

I'm think that using the comparator of "normal people" is an undefined metric to use relative to understanding "intentions."

LOL Rocco....methinks you are on the right track but just refer to them as abnormals......any how what do you think is "normal".....Stinking Jihardists.....The US Government bombing and killing 130,000 Iraqis in an afternoon...........I think you have painted yourself into a corner pal.steve

So by your own words you think that normal people think ... Israel is settling the Occupied(yes they are occupied,got that right)Territories on purpose...Well you are right of course.....not that you mean't that but your use of the double-negative made your post the opposite of what you mean't.................keep it up

(COMMENT)

I'll be the first to admit, it is difficult to understand the "intentions" behind the Israeli program of settlement expansion. Without knowing the true intentions and the real objectives, a real explanation behind these decisions to expand are near impossible.

• These could be political motivators to entice the Palestinians back to the Peace Treaty table.
• These could be expansionist moves to with the goal of laying the ground work of a complex infrastructure into the future.
• These could be a combination of political motivators and infrastructure improvements to be used as negotiation bargaining chips.

There could be any number of reasons and objectives behind these various decisions. And I don't think that "normal people" consider what impact unannounced diplomatic and political strategies might be behind these considerations. They only consider what they have been told, or what they can link to on the internet.

Most people have not given a second thought to the impact the secret Jordan-Israel talks (May 1968) had relative to the establishment of an Israeli presence in the Jordan Valley (much of Area "C"). And I don't think the "normal people" generally wonder about the Israeli-Palestinian secret talks (Aug 2014) before Gaza truce was signed; a meeting which actually took place in Amman, Jordan. And I don't see an indication that the sudden deviation from the Fatah Plan to raise the issue of withdrawal from the West Bank before the International Criminal Court (ICC), the truce, the settlements and the potential for further talks have all drawn together in the minds of "normal people" in a connective way. Most "normal people" have not been presented in any clear and concise way, the connection and implication of the overall political situation that sets the stage for the future decisions by these warring parties.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[cnm]

I'll be the first to admit, it is difficult to understand the "intentions" behind the Israeli program of settlement expansion.

So you've now joined normal people in thinking such land theft is intentional?

Welcome to reality, brother.

 

[gtopa1]

Mature nations don't blather on about "right to exist", they just do it.

Israel shows it is on the verge of not existing by insisting it has a right.
It has none. When it is gone no one, but idiots, will miss it.

But you'll not have anything to piss and moan about then.

No.
Well, no worries. I am sure we can live without another wannabe master race clogging up the system.

What do you mean by that, exactly?

He means that Jews want to control The World. Interesting considering that Israel is a very small country and its rightful territory is all that to which it aspires.

Greg

 

[I.P.Freely]

as a jew, my thoughts about Israel are influenced to some degree by the government in charge.I would also like to credit the Israelis for their wonderfully liberal views on abortion and sexual orientation, no matter who is in power.

 

[SAYIT]

That's a fair point, NO country has a "right to exist" it's only the Zionists that keep banging on about that. The United Kingdom's "right to exist" applies so long as her neighbours accept the fact of her existance and the people express their will to that effect, as demonstrated recently in the Scottish independance referendum.

So you are saying that Palestine has no right to exist??

I disagree. The UN has given them the Right to a homeland; one which lives in peace with its neighbours and is based on Democratic Principles. (181). So why didn't they?
Greg

UN 181 was a non-binding Gen Ass resolution which gave both the Jews and the Arabs of the region the international community's blessing to establish independent states. It created no states and bestowed no rights. The plan suggested 3 small, mostly desert Bantustans for the Jews and included none of Jerusalem but with tens of thousands of their brethren languishing in post WW2 refugee camps they reluctantly accepted and went about the business of forming modern Israel. The Arabs rejected the plan (as was their right), attacked the 1 day old Jewish Homeland (which was not their right) and then, with the generous aid of the UN, went about the business of building squalid "refugee" camps. The offer of 3 hots and a cot was more than they could resist and they eagerly signed up for the now 66 year long Arab siege of Israel.
Perhaps predictably, UNRWA has been co-opted (Stockholm Syndrome) by those they are charged with serving making the UN complicit in Hamas's crimes.

 

[SAYIT]

as a jew, my thoughts about Israel are influenced to some degree by the government in charge.I would also like to credit the Israelis for their wonderfully liberal views on abortion and sexual orientation, no matter who is in power.

I find it curious that you, like Guno, include the "I am a Jew" caveat with so many of your posts. Clearly you believe it grants your words some sort of cred but I find it insincere at best and perhaps even bogus.

 

[I.P.Freely]

as a jew, my thoughts about Israel are influenced to some degree by the government in charge.I would also like to credit the Israelis for their wonderfully liberal views on abortion and sexual orientation, no matter who is in power.

I find it curious that you, like Guno, include the "I am a Jew" caveat with so many of your posts. Clearly you believe it grants your words some sort of cred but I find it insincere at best and perhaps even bogus.

Who cares what you think goy.

 

[gtopa1]

I have always found it interesting that Israel is accused of "Illegal settlements" in the West Bank. In fact it is the basis upon which much anti-Israeli action, such as the BDS acolytes call for the abolition of Israel on that basis. The main problem I see is not the Jewish settlements; it is the attempt to de-legitimise the state of Israel. Exactly how many courts have found that Israel has acted illegally? What exactly did the International court of Justice find? The highest ruling in fact comes from the Israelis themselves.

The Commission to Examine the Status of Building in Judea and Samaria

Conclusions and Recommendations

(Translation from the original and authoritative Hebrew text)

After having considered the terms of reference set out in the Commission's mandate, and in light of what we have heard, as well as the considerable amount of material that has been presented to us by a wide range of bodies, our conclusions and recommendations are as follows:

Our basic conclusion is that from the point of view of international law, the classical laws of "occupation" as set out in the relevant international conventions cannot be considered applicable to the unique and sui generis historic and legal circumstances of Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria spanning over decades.

In addition, the provisions of the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, regarding transfer of populations, cannot be considered to be applicable and were never intended to apply to the type of settlement activity carried out by Israel in Judea and Samaria.

Therefore, according to International law, Israelis have the legal right to settle in Judea and Samaria and the establishment of settlements cannot, in and of itself, be considered to be illegal.

- See more at: Conclusions and recommendations of the Commission to Examine the Status of Building in Judea and Samaria - Levy report on settlements Non-UN document 13 July 2012

What follow are some recommendations for political expediencies, but the settlements are in fact legal. What is the real culprit is the attempt to undermine the State of Israel, and that is precisely what I see from some on this thread.

Greg

 

[SAYIT]

as a jew, my thoughts about Israel are influenced to some degree by the government in charge.I would also like to credit the Israelis for their wonderfully liberal views on abortion and sexual orientation, no matter who is in power.

I find it curious that you, like Guno, include the "I am a Jew" caveat with so many of your posts. Clearly you believe it grants your words some sort of cred but I find it insincere at best and perhaps even bogus.

Who cares what you think goy.

Your persistent and hostile use of the term "goy" sheds further doubt to your claim of Jewishness. I'd say you are a fraud.

 

[gtopa1]

as a jew, my thoughts about Israel are influenced to some degree by the government in charge.I would also like to credit the Israelis for their wonderfully liberal views on abortion and sexual orientation, no matter who is in power.

I find it curious that you, like Guno, include the "I am a Jew" caveat with so many of your posts. Clearly you believe it grants your words some sort of cred but I find it insincere at best and perhaps even bogus.

Who cares what you think goy.

This goy does, you pathetic excuse for a schmuck!!

Greg

 

[SAYIT]

as a jew, my thoughts about Israel are influenced to some degree by the government in charge.I would also like to credit the Israelis for their wonderfully liberal views on abortion and sexual orientation, no matter who is in power.

I find it curious that you, like Guno, include the "I am a Jew" caveat with so many of your posts. Clearly you believe it grants your words some sort of cred but I find it insincere at best and perhaps even bogus.

Who cares what you think goy.

This goy does, you pathetic excuse for a schmuck!!

Greg

Thanks. Evidently I hit a raw nerve.