What can republicans do for blacks?

[Boss]

This is an optical illusion. It's showing the result of the Reagan tax cuts. Note that everyone in the top 20% are still paying higher tax rates than the other 80%.

There is also another problem. The individuals who comprise the various color lines are constantly changing. I would imagine, Oprah Winfrey was in the 20-99th group in 1960.... maybe even in 1970... She isn't now.

We often hear about how we have to "help the middle class" and it's easy for us to relate because most of us are in this particular demographic and we certainly think we could use some help, so it's logical for us to jump on the bandwagon of helping the middle class. But this presupposes that helping the middle class is the best thing for our prosperity. When you think of 'the middle class' a dynamic instead of a group, why do we want to make them more comfortable and less motivated? It is almost cringe-worthy to say, but we actually need for the "middle class" to struggle a little. This is what motivates individuals among the middle class to strive for success. To become upper-income class.

 

[Correll]

Why can't blacks "do" for themselves like the rest of us?

Because they live in impoverished communities with few job prospects.

NOt really. THose communities tend to be on bus lines and to be connected to places with jobs.

Pull up the pants, lose the accent and the attitude and suddenly, prospects.

 

[Correll]

This guy nails it!

Love me some ZoNation!

Just another CON$ervative telling Blacks they are too stupid to know what's good for them.
Gee, I can't imagine why that doesn't win over the Black community to the GOP!

I look at it differently
The democrats are the ones telling the blacks they are just genetically too stupid to get ahead in life without forced government programs like affirmative action and quotas.
The republicans are the ones trying to tell the blacks that all they have to do is work for their goals to achieve their goals, no special programs needed because the blacks are equal from the start.

Affirmative action helped every American family....not just blacks

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

My wife didn't benefit from Affirmative Action, and it will certainly be an obstacle for my daughter, as she is white.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Why can't blacks "do" for themselves like the rest of us?

Because they live in impoverished communities with few job prospects.

NOt really. THose communities tend to be on bus lines and to be connected to places with jobs.

Pull up the pants, lose the accent and the attitude and suddenly, prospects.

His excuses are just that, excuses. I was in prison with 0 job prospects and I'm doing just fine now.

 

[S.J.]

Why can't blacks "do" for themselves like the rest of us?

Because they live in impoverished communities with few job prospects.

Gee, I wonder why. Who wants to set up a business in a neighborhood where you know you're gonna be robbed or shot? Maybe if they acted like humans, things would be different.

 

[rightwinger]

Just another CON$ervative telling Blacks they are too stupid to know what's good for them.
Gee, I can't imagine why that doesn't win over the Black community to the GOP!

I look at it differently
The democrats are the ones telling the blacks they are just genetically too stupid to get ahead in life without forced government programs like affirmative action and quotas.
The republicans are the ones trying to tell the blacks that all they have to do is work for their goals to achieve their goals, no special programs needed because the blacks are equal from the start.

Affirmative action helped every American family....not just blacks

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

wrong.
nobody benefited more than blacks. Society suffered as a whole.

There are many more women than blacks

Before affirmative action, the only jobs open to women was teacher, nurse, secretary, beautician, cashier

If your wife or daughter is in any other field, you have benefitted from affirmative action

 

[amrchaos]

There is something wrong with the person the Democrat are supporting--is that better?

I'm not telling anyone how to vote, or who to support. I just find it ironic that you're bashing Republicans for doing essentially the same thing as Democrats do.

I am bashing Republicans?

I ask "hat you will do in exchange fr the Black vote?" and I got as an answer:

Self help speeches(See Boss comment)

You can't win someones vote that way. You have to offer a little more--not what you think is the same.

I didn't give a self help speech, I just explained the difference between liberal democrats and conservatives. Your political viewpoint is, the black person is incapable of helping himself because of his pigmentation. Due to this unfortunate condition of nature, you have to save his day by providing him with benefits and advantages over others. Conservatives view the same black person as an individual who is equally capable of success and doesn't need to be given an advantage over others.

So we have about 70-80 years of democrats dangling the carrot on a stick... vote for us and we'll take care of you. We'll give you free stuff. We'll do this for you, we'll make that happen for you... just vote Democrat. Whenever it doesn't pan out, you can always blame those mean old Republicans... vote more Democrats in! When the programs fail or don't produce the results promised, blame it on Republicans. Racists... white privilege... they don't want you to have free stuff. Vote Democrat!

Just as LBJ predicted, "We'll have them (blacks) voting Democrat for 100 years!"

However, when we objectively look at the economic growth in prosperity within the black community from 1965 until now, it's the worst performance in the history of blacks in America, post slavery.

First) You gave a bunch of words--if you followed the thread afterwards, you would have a better understanding what is being asked of Republicans.

You would understand what you are really offering and why it is called "nothing"
What is the difference between your "nothing" and a voters "something".

Second--You do not know my viewpoint nor care to find out.
Again, if you read the thread you would understand that

a)I do not agree with your differentiation between Democrats and Republicans
b)What you call "Brainwashing" is really a fault found in the comparison in how the party approach and apply politics
b)Giving or Promising "free stuff" is not necessary to gain votes

Third--Belief in your narrative is probably the biggest drawback to Republicans winning votes from minorities. It is an arrogant narrative in which the author is the victim and it is up to the perpetrator(in your specific case Black voters) must correct themselves.

However, politics require the politician to appease the voter for his vote. The politician has to work for it, negotiate and sell his position to the voter.

It is not the other way around where the voter must "raise himself" to meet the politicians principles. That is a form of idealism, you need to approach political problems realistically.

I gave you more than enough to work out basic solutions to the GOP "Black Vote" problem. The only thing left is to suggest reading Rays(Highly cynical) posts.

Good luck in constructing an accurate narrative.

 

[rightwinger]

Why can't blacks "do" for themselves like the rest of us?

Because they live in impoverished communities with few job prospects.

Gee, I wonder why. Who wants to set up a business in a neighborhood where you know you're gonna be robbed or shot? Maybe if they acted like humans, things would be different.

What is the title of this thread?

Thanks for affirming

 

[Correll]

I look at it differently
The democrats are the ones telling the blacks they are just genetically too stupid to get ahead in life without forced government programs like affirmative action and quotas.
The republicans are the ones trying to tell the blacks that all they have to do is work for their goals to achieve their goals, no special programs needed because the blacks are equal from the start.

Affirmative action helped every American family....not just blacks

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

wrong.
nobody benefited more than blacks. Society suffered as a whole.

There are many more women than blacks

Before affirmative action, the only jobs open to women was teacher, nurse, secretary, beautician, cashier

If your wife or daughter is in any other field, you have benefitted from affirmative action

It is silly to assume that change only occurred as a result of Affirmative Action.

This is not 1950, and it would not be 1950 if AA was stillborn, or had been repealed sometime in the 80s.

 

[rightwinger]

Affirmative action helped every American family....not just blacks

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

wrong.
nobody benefited more than blacks. Society suffered as a whole.

There are many more women than blacks

Before affirmative action, the only jobs open to women was teacher, nurse, secretary, beautician, cashier

If your wife or daughter is in any other field, you have benefitted from affirmative action

It is silly to assume that change only occurred as a result of Affirmative Action.

This is not 1950, and it would not be 1950 if AA was stillborn, or had been repealed sometime in the 80s.

Don't you hate it?

Things like integration and equal opportunity were about to happen anyway and the damned liberals take credit for it

 

[amrchaos]

Affirmative action helped every American family....not just blacks

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

wrong.
nobody benefited more than blacks. Society suffered as a whole.

There are many more women than blacks

Before affirmative action, the only jobs open to women was teacher, nurse, secretary, beautician, cashier

If your wife or daughter is in any other field, you have benefitted from affirmative action

It is silly to assume that change only occurred as a result of Affirmative Action.

This is not 1950, and it would not be 1950 if AA was stillborn, or had been repealed sometime in the 80s.

By the time the 80's rolled around, AA was seriously questioned. If it was repealed then? That is a very good socio-political question to ask.

Would society rapidly turned into a meritocracy, or would workplace discrimination creep back in?

I think given the type of labor laws, the later would have occurred.

One could argue that bottom line is still the need to compete, making it difficult to justify hiring a less skilled worker just because you identify with them

You are forced to go with the best you can find so your business can survive. That is the case when businesses face stiff competition--more so during market downturns.

 

[S.J.]

Socialism is parasitic by nature. It requires a host in order to stay alive. That host is capitalism and over time the parasite slowly kills the host, thereby starving itself as a result. The only way for the host to survive is to get rid of the parasite.

 

[rightwinger]

Just another CON$ervative telling Blacks they are too stupid to know what's good for them.
Gee, I can't imagine why that doesn't win over the Black community to the GOP!

I look at it differently
The democrats are the ones telling the blacks they are just genetically too stupid to get ahead in life without forced government programs like affirmative action and quotas.
The republicans are the ones trying to tell the blacks that all they have to do is work for their goals to achieve their goals, no special programs needed because the blacks are equal from the start.

Affirmative action helped every American family....not just blacks

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

My wife didn't benefit from Affirmative Action, and it will certainly be an obstacle for my daughter, as she is white.

Does your daughter plan on being a cashier in a supermarket?

 

[Ame®icano]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

 

[rightwinger]

You mean like Liberals putting policies of Affirmative Action in place telling blacks they have to get help in hiring consideration due to race because they can't do it on their own?

When Democrats pander to blacks, it's no surprise blacks vote for them. How's that black unemployment rate doing for that vote?

Thanks for posting that

It says so much about what republicans can do for blacks. The watermelon and fried chicken is such a nice touch

 

[Correll]

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

wrong.
nobody benefited more than blacks. Society suffered as a whole.

There are many more women than blacks

Before affirmative action, the only jobs open to women was teacher, nurse, secretary, beautician, cashier

If your wife or daughter is in any other field, you have benefitted from affirmative action

It is silly to assume that change only occurred as a result of Affirmative Action.

This is not 1950, and it would not be 1950 if AA was stillborn, or had been repealed sometime in the 80s.

Don't you hate it?

Things like integration and equal opportunity were about to happen anyway and the damned liberals take credit for it

Logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule.

Got anything else to support your claim?

 

[Correll]

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

wrong.
nobody benefited more than blacks. Society suffered as a whole.

There are many more women than blacks

Before affirmative action, the only jobs open to women was teacher, nurse, secretary, beautician, cashier

If your wife or daughter is in any other field, you have benefitted from affirmative action

It is silly to assume that change only occurred as a result of Affirmative Action.

This is not 1950, and it would not be 1950 if AA was stillborn, or had been repealed sometime in the 80s.

By the time the 80's rolled around, AA was seriously questioned. If it was repealed then? That is a very good socio-political question to ask.

Would society rapidly turned into a meritocracy, or would workplace discrimination creep back in?

I think given the type of labor laws, the later would have occurred.

One could argue that bottom line is still the need to compete, making it difficult to justify hiring a less skilled worker just because you identify with them

You are forced to go with the best you can find so your business can survive. That is the case when businesses face stiff competition--more so during market downturns.

My experience in the workplace suggests otherwise, especially my time in management.

When I think of my various bosses, and trying to explain to them why I choose a less qualified white person over a more qualified or senior black person?

I find myself wondering how far my head would bounce after it was severed from my body.

 

[Correll]

I look at it differently
The democrats are the ones telling the blacks they are just genetically too stupid to get ahead in life without forced government programs like affirmative action and quotas.
The republicans are the ones trying to tell the blacks that all they have to do is work for their goals to achieve their goals, no special programs needed because the blacks are equal from the start.

Affirmative action helped every American family....not just blacks

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

My wife didn't benefit from Affirmative Action, and it will certainly be an obstacle for my daughter, as she is white.

Does your daughter plan on being a cashier in a supermarket?

Are you only in favor of diversity because it is government policy?

If I had my way and such policy was reversed would you change your mind to conform to my policy?

 

[rightwinger]

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

wrong.
nobody benefited more than blacks. Society suffered as a whole.

There are many more women than blacks

Before affirmative action, the only jobs open to women was teacher, nurse, secretary, beautician, cashier

If your wife or daughter is in any other field, you have benefitted from affirmative action

It is silly to assume that change only occurred as a result of Affirmative Action.

This is not 1950, and it would not be 1950 if AA was stillborn, or had been repealed sometime in the 80s.

Don't you hate it?

Things like integration and equal opportunity were about to happen anyway and the damned liberals take credit for it

Logical fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule.

Got anything else to support your claim?

It was your ridiculous claim...not mine

Same old....it was gunna happen anyway

 

[rightwinger]

Affirmative action helped every American family....not just blacks

No, it did not and it is not.

Affirmative action was a major success for our country

Women benefitted more than blacks. If you have a wife or daughter.....you have benefitted from affirmative action

My wife didn't benefit from Affirmative Action, and it will certainly be an obstacle for my daughter, as she is white.

Does your daughter plan on being a cashier in a supermarket?

Are you only in favor of diversity because it is government policy?

If I had my way and such policy was reversed would you change your mind to conform to my policy?

You didn't answer....does your daughter plan on being a cashier in a supermarket? Maybe do nails in a beauty parlor?