What are YOU doing to help stop terror?

[red states rule]

As soon as you say the word "appeasement" I know you're just echoing talking points and you have nothing credible to say.

How does surrender sound?

Dems have wanted to cut and run from Iraq for a long time

 

[red states rule]

First thing we do is pull out of Iraq, and let the terrorists go free. Then what? What is the liberal plan to fight terror?

Then we all join hands and sing,"kum-by-ya".

 

[Rosotar]

How does surrender sound?

Sounds like a typical fake, Republican, emotional term designed to elicit righteous indignation from a bunch of Conservative sheeple who really don't know their own asses from a hole in the ground and really, truth be told, could care less.

Dems have wanted to cut and run from Iraq for a long time

And now Republicans are coming around to that logic only they don't call it "cut and run." It's more like putting an end to a failed policy.

You can't just blame it on "Dems" anymore. Have you noticed all the Republicans jumping ship lately?

 

[red states rule]

Sounds like a typical fake, Republican, emotional term designed to elicit righteous indignation from a bunch of Conservative sheeple who really don't know their own asses from a hole in the ground and really, truth be told, could care less.




And now Republicans are coming around to that logic only they don't call it "cut and run." It's more like putting an end to a failed policy.

You can't just blame it on "Dems" anymore. Have you noticed all the Republicans jumping ship lately?

Dems have been pushing for surredner fo a long time

and now the RINO's are joining in

Meanwhile the voices of the troops are ignored by both

 

[Rosotar]

First thing we do is pull out of Iraq, and let the terrorists go free. Then what? What is the liberal plan to fight terror?"

Stop creating terrorists.

Then we all join hands and sing,"kum-by-ya".

Apparently you think sarcasm is the way to stop terrorism.

Whose side are you on anyway?

 

[red states rule]

Stop creating terrorists.




Apparently you think sarcasm is the way to stop terrorism.

Whose side are you on anyway?

That is how libs view the world. Make nice with terrorists and they think they will love us

 

[Rosotar]

Dems have been pushing for surredner fo a long time

I guess they were pushing for surrender even when they voted FOR the war huh?

and now the RINO's are joining in

Funny how even the most staunch, Conservative icons become RHINO's as soon as they start thinking for themselves!

Meanwhile the voices of the troops are ignored by both

What "voice of the troops" would that be RSR?

Perhaps you think American military strategy ought to be made by the troops on the ground?

 

[red states rule]

I guess they were pushing for surrender even when they voted FOR the war huh?



Funny how even the most staunch, Conservative icons become RHINO's as soon as they start thinking for themselves!



What "voice of the troops" would that be RSR?

Perhaps you think American military strategy ought to be made by the troops on the ground?

“Every day, the enemy changes…only now, the enemy is becoming something new. The enemy is transitioning from the Muslim extremists to Americans. The enemy is becoming the very people whom we defend with our lives. And they do not realize it. But in denouncing our actions, denouncing our leaders, denouncing the war we live and fight, they are isolating the military from society…and they are becoming our enemy. Terrorists cut the heads off of American citizens on the Internet…and there is no outrage but an American soldier kills an Iraqi in the midst of battle, and there are investigations, and sometimes soldiers are even jailed…for doing their job…It is absolutely sickening to me to think our country has come to this.” —Sergeant Eddie Jeffers, U.S. Army

“Some of the American public have no idea how much freedom costs and who the people are that pay that awful price. I think sometimes people just see us as nameless and faceless and not really as humans…A good portion of us are actually scared that when we come home, for those of us who make it back, that there will be protesters waiting for us and that is scary.”—-Specialist Jason Gilson, U.S. Army

“What angers and hurts me as a soldier is that they parade their anti-war views in the face of my brothers and sisters who are recovering from the same battlefield that I fought on and am still fighting on as I type this e-mail. Is there no honor or dignity left in the antiwar movement? Do they have no shame? Do they have no integrity? Do they have no heart? Do they have no soul? I can answer that with a simple no! How can they say they support the troops but protest where they try to recover from war? You interviewed one gentleman, and I use that term loosely, who stated ‘If I was injured I would want someone to speak for me like this.’ Well let me tell him something, we do not want you to speak for us and we do not need you to speak for us!” —Sergeant Mark Leach, U.S. Army

“Compared to the shock of the instant, violent death of a squad-mate standing right next to me or the excitement of a child looking at my uniform, the constant barrage of partisan politics, runaway brides and the activities of Paris Hilton seem utterly devoid of importance. I have marines slowly recuperating at hospitals in San Francisco, Washington, Bethesda and San Diego. Who is telling their stories?” —Captain Rory Quinn, U.S. Marines

“We daily see the gross distortions. We can’t recognize the caricatures they [the media] scratch out, neither in our fellow soldiers, nor on the battleground. I know they claim to be objective but really they’re nothing more than accomplices in the face of this evil.” —First Sergeant Jeff Nuding, U.S. Army

“The troops’ number-one frustration has consistently been the media reporting. The way the press mishandled Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo had a tremendous negative effect on us. It inflamed the Iraqis at a time when we were making great progress in their support and willingness to help.”——Major Eric Egland, U.S. Air Force

“We are at war, Representative Murtha, and your actions and conduct give aid and comfort to our enemies…You have dishonored all of those who have fought and died up to the day you stood on the floor of the House of Representatives and demanded that we withdraw immediately. Representative Murtha, you have given aid and comfort to our enemies in a time of war. You have given them hope, which they have fast been losing, due to all of the victories and sacrifice by our sons and daughters on the field of battle in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have been honored by our enemies on the front page of Al Jazeera. . . ” —Lieutenant Colonel Christopher Stark, U.S. Army

Listen to these voices. Listen to their clarity and purpose. Have you heard anything lately from Washington, D.C., or in the mainstream media nearly as cogent?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTI4MTk0OGQ3MTc2ZGVkYmE0NTc5ZDhkM2JhY2E0ODQ

 

[The Man @ Lunch]

We Americans have plenty of "balls" and we will fight to the death when our national interests are at stake. When our government fabricates the reasons for war and leads our nation into unnessesary quagmires like it did in Vietnam and now Iraq we get a little mad and raise hell. If you were a good American you'd know that and you would be mad too!

Hear, hear on the first sentence!

Unfortunately, the rightwads of this country seem to prefer having a one-party government telling them what to do, rather than actually trying to think about whether it makes sense.

 

[Gunny]

Hear, hear on the first sentence!

Unfortunately, the rightwads of this country seem to prefer having a one-party government telling them what to do, rather than actually trying to think about whether it makes sense.

Name one. Name one person that has stated they want a one-party government telling them what to do.

There wouldn't be so many "rightwads" if you "leftwads" ever made any sense.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Name one. Name one person that has stated they want a one-party government telling them what to do.

There wouldn't be so many "rightwads" if you "leftwads" ever made any sense.

Edward, ohh wait, he isn't a right wing nutjob. Maineman, ohh wait he is a liberal. Care4all, ohh wait, another liberal....the list goes on and on, but the names are all left not right of center.

 

[maineman]

Edward, ohh wait, he isn't a right wing nutjob. Maineman, ohh wait he is a liberal. Care4all, ohh wait, another liberal....the list goes on and on, but the names are all left not right of center.

do you have a quote from me where I say that republicans would "seem to prefer having a one-party government telling them what to do, rather than actually trying to think about whether it makes sense."??

I didn't think so.

lying sack of shit.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

do you have a quote from me where I say that republicans would "seem to prefer having a one-party government telling them what to do, rather than actually trying to think about whether it makes sense."??

I didn't think so.

lying sack of shit.

You have stated and implied that Liberals and the democrats should rule this country and that republicans are fools or worse, I never claimed you said republicans wanted a one party government, I said YOU want a one party Government, or one that is so one sided that only YOUR beliefs and allies are in power.

 

[Rosotar]

“Every day, the enemy changes…only now, the enemy is becoming something new. The enemy is transitioning from the Muslim extremists to Americans. The enemy is becoming the very people whom we defend with our lives. And they do not realize it. But in denouncing our actions, denouncing our leaders, denouncing the war we live and fight, they are isolating the military from society…and they are becoming our enemy. Terrorists cut the heads off of American citizens on the Internet…and there is no outrage but an American soldier kills an Iraqi in the midst of battle, and there are investigations, and sometimes soldiers are even jailed…for doing their job…It is absolutely sickening to me to think our country has come to this.” —Sergeant Eddie Jeffers, U.S. Army

“Some of the American public have no idea how much freedom costs and who the people are that pay that awful price. I think sometimes people just see us as nameless and faceless and not really as humans…A good portion of us are actually scared that when we come home, for those of us who make it back, that there will be protesters waiting for us and that is scary.”—-Specialist Jason Gilson, U.S. Army

“What angers and hurts me as a soldier is that they parade their anti-war views in the face of my brothers and sisters who are recovering from the same battlefield that I fought on and am still fighting on as I type this e-mail. Is there no honor or dignity left in the antiwar movement? Do they have no shame? Do they have no integrity? Do they have no heart? Do they have no soul? I can answer that with a simple no! How can they say they support the troops but protest where they try to recover from war? You interviewed one gentleman, and I use that term loosely, who stated ‘If I was injured I would want someone to speak for me like this.’ Well let me tell him something, we do not want you to speak for us and we do not need you to speak for us!” —Sergeant Mark Leach, U.S. Army

“Compared to the shock of the instant, violent death of a squad-mate standing right next to me or the excitement of a child looking at my uniform, the constant barrage of partisan politics, runaway brides and the activities of Paris Hilton seem utterly devoid of importance. I have marines slowly recuperating at hospitals in San Francisco, Washington, Bethesda and San Diego. Who is telling their stories?” —Captain Rory Quinn, U.S. Marines

“We daily see the gross distortions. We can’t recognize the caricatures they [the media] scratch out, neither in our fellow soldiers, nor on the battleground. I know they claim to be objective but really they’re nothing more than accomplices in the face of this evil.” —First Sergeant Jeff Nuding, U.S. Army

“The troops’ number-one frustration has consistently been the media reporting. The way the press mishandled Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo had a tremendous negative effect on us. It inflamed the Iraqis at a time when we were making great progress in their support and willingness to help.”——Major Eric Egland, U.S. Air Force

“We are at war, Representative Murtha, and your actions and conduct give aid and comfort to our enemies…You have dishonored all of those who have fought and died up to the day you stood on the floor of the House of Representatives and demanded that we withdraw immediately. Representative Murtha, you have given aid and comfort to our enemies in a time of war. You have given them hope, which they have fast been losing, due to all of the victories and sacrifice by our sons and daughters on the field of battle in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have been honored by our enemies on the front page of Al Jazeera. . . ” —Lieutenant Colonel Christopher Stark, U.S. Army

Listen to these voices. Listen to their clarity and purpose. Have you heard anything lately from Washington, D.C., or in the mainstream media nearly as cogent?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTI4MTk0OGQ3MTc2ZGVkYmE0NTc5ZDhkM2JhY2E0ODQ

http://www.ivaw.org/faq

http://www.ivaw.org/membersspeak

http://www.ivaw.org/warresisters

Kyle Snyder
Urgent Action Needed
Kyle Snyder, Iraq veteran and war resister, returned from Canada to turn himself in to Army authorities on October 31, 2006 at Fort Knox. Now he is once again AWOL after officials at Ft. Knox have reneged on a previous verbal agreement with his attorney, Jim Fennerty, to discharge Kyle. Call the Fort Knox public affairs office 502-624-3351 and demand that Ft. Knox Commanding General, Major General Robert M. Williams "Discharge Kyle Snyder with No Punishment."

Sergeant Ricky Clousing
“In Iraq I operated as an interrogator and was attached to tactical infantry units during daily patrol operations. As an interrogator I spoke to Iraqis each day. This gave me an idea of what local civilians thought of coalition forces. Throughout my training very appropriate guidelines for the treatment of prisoners were set. However, I witnessed our baseless incarceration of civilians. I saw civilians physically harassed. I saw an innocent Iraqi killed before me by US troops. I saw the abuse of power that goes without accountability.

Being attached to a tactical infantry unit and being exposed to the brutalities of war, I began to doubt and reconsider my beliefs. I thought about these experiences and what they meant each day I was deployed and until I was back in garrison at Fort Bragg in April of 2005. My convictions, spiritually and politically, began to make me call into question my ability to perform day to day functions as a soldier. I finally concluded after much consideration that I could not train or be trained under a false pretense of fighting for freedom.”

After 14 months being AWOL, Sgt. Clousing turned himself in to authorities at Ft. Lewis, WA and is currently facing charges for desertion. Find out more about IVAW member Sgt. Clousing at www.couragetoresist.org.



Specialist Mark Wilkerson
“There were many experiences that I had in Iraq that made me question my mission, and also made me change the way I viewed spirituality, relationships, our government, and my life in general. It was a complete life turn-around, which allowed me to come to the conclusion that military service was no longer the correct path for me to take. This revelation led me to apply as a Conscientious Objector, or C.O., immediately upon return from Iraq in March 2004.

My C.O. claim was denied in November, so I applied for a rebuttal, and was told it wouldn’t be considered until my return from Iraq, more than a year away. So I made the difficult decision to go AWOL, for political, spiritual, and personal reasons.”

Spc. Wilkerson turned himself in to officials at Ft. Hood, TX on Sept. 1, 2006. His court martial will be at Ft. Hood on February 22, 2007. Read more about IVAW member Spc. Mark Wilkerson at markwilkerson.wordpress.com/.



Lieutenant Ehren Watada
“The war in Iraq violates our democratic system of checks and balances. It usurps international treaties and conventions that by virtue of the Constitution become American law. The wholesale slaughter and mistreatment of the Iraqi people with only limited accountability is not only a terrible moral injustice, but a contradiction to the Army’s own Law of Land Warfare. My participation would make me party to war crimes.”

“Normally, those in the military have allowed others to speak for them and act on their behalf. That time has come to an end. I have appealed to my commanders to see the larger issues of our actions. But justice has not been forthcoming. My oath of office is to protect and defend America’s laws and its people. By refusing unlawful orders for an illegal war, I fulfill that oath today.”

Lt. Watada is currently facing charges on seven counts, including missing movement, contempt towards officials, and conduct unbecoming an officer and gentleman. If convicted, Lt. Watada faces over eight years in prison. Political charges of “contempt towards the president” have been dropped, but four years of prison are still possible for political speech critical of Iraq War. The trial date is not yet set, but is expected early 2007. Find out more about Lt. Watada and how you can support this IVAW member at www.thankyoult.org.



Specialist Suzanne Swift
The following is an exerpt taken from a statement written by Spc. Swift’s mother, Sara Rich.

“It has now been 60 traumatic days since my daughter - who signed up with the Army as an MP, and after bravely serving one tour in Iraq, chose to go AWOL rather than engage in the two more tours to Iraq that awaited her - was forcibly taken from our home in handcuffs. Like many soldiers, she was suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. What we didn't know, what she couldn't tell us, is that she was also suffering Military Sexual Trauma. Late the evening of Sunday June 11, 2006, Spc Suzanne Swift was taken to the county jail, where she was strip-searched and orifice-checked… She sat in that cell for two and a half days, a veteran of Iraq combat, terrified that she may be sent back...

In the meantime, we wait. We wait for the Army to decide what to do with my daughter. Perhaps they are waiting for us to break down emotionally, mentally and financially so that we will give up. They wait for our support to dwindle so they can do something unethical to Suzanne and get rid of her. I trusted the Army once before and was severely let down. But I wholeheartedly want to believe that the Army will do the right thing.”

Spc. Swift is currently on active duty at Ft. Lewis, WA waiting for a decision on her discharge or possible court martial. Go to www.suzanneswift.org to find out how you can support Spc. Swift and also find information and resources on military sexual trauma.



Specialist Agustín Aguayo
“With or without non-combatant status I will not deploy to Iraq. I have been to Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom II, and I know what to expect. I know what will be expected of me. And because of this first-hand knowledge, I simply cannot take part in this deployment. Some people might think that a fear of death is the reason for refusing to deploy. But that is incorrect. I have to be true to myself and do what is right. Even though I deployed as a non-combatant in 2004-05 I still carry guilt from my participation…

I cannot carry that burden on my conscience. When you know better you do better. Therefore, this time I will not deploy. My conscientious objection applies to all forms and aspects of war. Even if I went there to do kitchen detail or scrub toilets I would still be supporting the very missions and operations I oppose. An Officer once explained to me how in his view the Army was like a huge machine made of many parts that all work together to achieve the desired outcome. I know this is true. If the outcome is killing I cannot be a part of the ‘machine.’"

Spc. Aguayo went AWOL on Sept. 1st, after his unit tried to forcibly deploy him to Iraq. Currently, Spc. Aguayo is
awaiting court martial in Wurzburg, Germany. His trial will be
held March 6-7. Support this courageous war resister by visiting www.aguayodefense.org/, and agustin-aguayo.blogspot.com/.



Darrell Anderson
After enlisting in the Army in January of 2003 to earn money for college and serve his country, Darrell Anderson was deployed to Iraq with the Army's 1st Armoured Division in the spring of 2004. Darrell served most of his time in Baghdad where he was wounded by a roadside bomb after serving for 7 months. Facing the possibility of a second deployment to Iraq, Darrell’s conscience kept him from returning to the military. He fled to Canada rather than face that possibility.

"I started to think ... what's it really for? I was willing to die for my country. I thought I was going over there to defend my country. But that's not what I was doing." There are no weapons of mass destruction. Innocent people are being killed every day. It's a war about money -- to keep money in rich people's pockets. There is no way I can believe in that. I still believe in my country, but I can no longer be a part of the Army or that war."

Shortly past Noon on Friday, October 6, Darrell was released from Ft. Knox after turning himself in to military custody on October 3. According to his attorney, Jim Finnerty, Darrell will receive an "other than honorable" discharge without facing court martial. He expects discharge papers to be mailed to Anderson within days.
To learn more about how to support Darrell Anderson, check out www.couragetoresist.org/x/.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What a crock of shit. Remind me again of how these people were forced to join the military? How they were forced to take that pay every day while at peace and the expected benefits after getting out? Remind me of the "staggering" desertion rate during the current war.

I have no respect for anyone that deserts. NONE. They have other options. If they really are opposed to the war on Moral grounds then do the Moral thing and refuse duty IN uniform and accept the punishment for that refusal. Running away says just one thing to me.

 

[Larkinn]

What a crock of shit. Remind me again of how these people were forced to join the military? How they were forced to take that pay every day while at peace and the expected benefits after getting out? Remind me of the "staggering" desertion rate during the current war.

I have no respect for anyone that deserts. NONE. They have other options. If they really are opposed to the war on Moral grounds then do the Moral thing and refuse duty IN uniform and accept the punishment for that refusal. Running away says just one thing to me.

Really? So you think those who deserted from the Nazi army deserve no respect?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Really? So you think those who deserted from the Nazi army deserve no respect?

No I do not. But isn't it telling how you have just equated the US Military with Nazi Germany. Ohh and by the way the majority of that Army was German not Nazi, or are you not one of those liberals that likes to remind everyone that all Germans were not Nazis and were just misguided?

 

[Larkinn]

No I do not. But isn't it telling how you have just equated the US Military with Nazi Germany. Ohh and by the way the majority of that Army was German not Nazi, or are you not one of those liberals that likes to remind everyone that all Germans were not Nazis and were just misguided?

I knew some idiot was going to make this claim.

No, actually I didn't equate them all. You made a generalized statement including the word "all". That means it would apply to every army, including the Nazi army. I was not comparing the two at all, merely pointing out what a foolish and short-sighted standard you had set out.

And whatever the majority of the German army was/is/will be is irrelevant. I said Nazi army.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Playing word games as usual. You can not argue points so instead play semantics. But then thats standard fair for liberals.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I didn't say all. My statement is clearly intended to apply to the US military. But then you like to pretend your lies are somehow true, do continue.