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The items I send are simple items we take for granted. The men and women over there love to get mail - but packages from strangers really mean alot to them
Any ideas what else I can include in the CARE packages?
I send all kinds of stuff...DVDs, books, mucnchies of all kinds. I also send disposable cameras, writing materials, and stuff like that. I even occassionally send stuff for waterproofing maps, small tool kits (pocket size) for fixing glasses and that sort of thing.
It is different typre of crackers : Town House, Rye, and Cheeze Its. I mix them up for the guys
So far no complaints - and I ask them what they want
They say thanks for sending what I do - and anything will be fine
I send all kinds of stuff...DVDs, books, mucnchies of all kinds. I also send disposable cameras, writing materials, and stuff like that. I even occassionally send stuff for waterproofing maps, small tool kits (pocket size) for fixing glasses and that sort of thing.
The day will come , hopefully, when we realize we can not fight terrorism with our hands tied behind our back.
It is perfectly ok to murder hundreds of thousands in any NON western or 1st World Country. No one really gives a damn. Hell the supposed bleeding hearts SUPPORT terrorists if they are killing the right group..
But right now we are stuck with suposedly intelligent , TRAINED, people that would rather lose because they do not like the President. The claim that Iraq is not part of the war on terror is on its face LUDICROUS...
It does not matter one bit why or whether we should have gone into Iraq. WE ARE THERE. The Enemy is THERE. Leaving before we provide a stable military and police indigenous to Iraq is the BIGGEST mistake we can ever make. Such a retreat WILL result in anarchy in a Major oil producing region that will effect the entire world. It will embolden the terrorists. It will free terrorist assets to be used elsewhere. It will likely result in income and facilities for the Terrorists to use else where. It will destabilize the entire Gulf region. It will embolden Countries that support , fund and train terrorists. It will once again tell our allies we can not be counted on to follow through even in our own National Interest.
Isn't this the reason for the Geneva Conventions? That all hostiles agree to certain preconditions, to protect civilians?You are obviously stuck on this mantra of somebody having their hands "tied behind their backs" Ret.Gunny. Like a broken record.
Who'se got their hands tied behind their backs?
Maybe you wish we could be free to conduct ourselves just like our "terrorist" enemies? If that's the case then why pay all this lip service to hating terrorists?
I didn't know you were ex-military. What branch and when?Actually those of us with more years behind us and probably more military training than you've had know exactly what you're doing. You're already re-writing history because you didn't learn a fucking thing from Vietnam.
What are you speaking about here? I fail to get your extrapolation.NO REASON TO BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE + SCREWED UP POLICY/STRATEGY = LOSS
You are simply making up your story for our loss in Iraq ahead of time. It's the same, lame-assed excuse that revisionists have been using to explain our loss in Vietnam for decades.
I suspect that won't happen until a terrorist strike kills enough people all at once for the " its a law enforcement" people to wake the hell up. Well let me further add, the dead have to be the " right" sort.
again, specifically what actions of Reagan and Bush 1 are your referring to?You mean like the Reagan & Bush I administration's support of Saddam Hussein even after he had committed genocide because he was on our "side?"
How does this link to a 2006 article pertain?Only according to you RetGunny. Not according to the experts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092301130.html
I guess your president should have thought of these things before he opened up this Pandora's box huh?
So why do you put up with all theI see exactly where you're coming from. I've had it up to my ears as well with RINOs.
bushbots in our party?So why do you put up with all the
I am not.
So why do you put up with all the
Last I checked, Pres Bush will not be on the ballot in 08
"Our" party - are you saying you are a Republican?
Isn't this the reason for the Geneva Conventions? That all hostiles agree to certain preconditions, to protect civilians?
I didn't know you were ex-military. What branch and when?
What are you speaking about here? I fail to get your extrapolation.
again, specifically what actions of Reagan and Bush 1 are your referring to? How does this link to a 2006 article pertain?
He should have anticipated the difficulties and the local problems. On that, we agree. What doesn't hold for me, at least without your clarification, is how what you posted is relevant to any discussion.
We lost in Vietnam because politicians gave up.
Nixon had all but won in 1971. If your head was not so far up your butt you might want to read what the North Vietnemese military has to say about TET68 and the 1975 invasion, and how surprised they were that the United States just quit.
No revision necassary. Except by liberals that want to turn WW2 into aggression and murder on our part and Viet nam into a military defeat, which it was not.
As to Iraq, when the troops are more afraid of firing their weapon then defending themselves and their team mates because of rules of engagement that read like a Dr Zeus childs story, then those troops most assuradely have their hands tied behind their back. When our military can not get free fire permission on porous borders with enemies slipping across tons of material and hundreds of fighting men without those same terrorists claiming " it was a wedding party" when ever one of their gatherings are attacked, with the press eating it up like candy, then our troops have their hands tied behind their back.
When our troops can be charged with murder for conducting legitamite clearing operations against armed resisting terrorists/ Insurgents because some civilians died in the process, then our troops have their hands tied behind their back.
When a terrorist is shown on tape being shot and the press and the liberal whine machine claim that our soldiers should have "arrested" him rather then shoot him , then our soldiers most definately have their hands tied behind their back.
When a couple bad apples get caught and punished by the military for abuse or real murder and the Liberals and the press are free to claim the entire military is like that, then our troops have their hands tied behind their backs.
When the press can hide in the green zone, hire Iraqis and tell them what story they want, supply the unproven story to the evening news and it is called cutting edge reporting, all while refusing to print DoD provided information on reconstruction, repair, relief and security operations, because that is propaganda, then our troops have their hands tied behind their back..
When the press refuses to cover operations because they are being successful and they would rather report failure, then our troops have their hands tied behind their backs.
When fools can claim Reagan and Bush sold Saddam Hussein chemical weapons AND be believed.... we have a real problem.
We lost in Vietnam because politicians gave up. Nixon had all but won in 1971. If your head was not so far up your butt you might want to read what the North Vietnemese military has to say about TET68 and the 1975 invasion, and how surprised they were that the United States just quit.
No revision necassary. Except by liberals that want to turn WW2 into aggression and murder on our part and Viet nam into a military defeat, which it was not.
As to Iraq, when the troops are more afraid of firing their weapon then defending themselves and their team mates because of rules of engagement that read like a Dr Zeus childs story, then those troops most assuradely have their hands tied behind their back. When our military can not get free fire permission on porous borders with enemies slipping across tons of material and hundreds of fighting men without those same terrorists claiming " it was a wedding party" when ever one of their gatherings are attacked, with the press eating it up like candy, then our troops have their hands tied behind their back.
When our troops can be charged with murder for conducting legitamite clearing operations against armed resisting terrorists/ Insurgents because some civilians died in the process, then our troops have their hands tied behind their back.
When a terrorist is shown on tape being shot and the press and the liberal whine machine claim that our soldiers should have "arrested" him rather then shoot him , then our soldiers most definately have their hands tied behind their back.
When a couple bad apples get caught and punished by the military for abuse or real murder and the Liberals and the press are free to claim the entire military is like that, then our troops have their hands tied behind their backs.
When the press can hide in the green zone, hire Iraqis and tell them what story they want, supply the unproven story to the evening news and it is called cutting edge reporting, all while refusing to print DoD provided information on reconstruction, repair, relief and security operations, because that is propaganda, then our troops have their hands tied behind their back.
When the press refuses to cover operations because they are being successful and they would rather report failure, then our troops have their hands tied behind their backs.
When fools can claim Reagan and Bush sold Saddam Hussein chemical weapons AND be believed.... we have a real problem.
Libs are doing the same thing in Iarq they did in Viet Nam. The US never lost a military battle in Viet Nam, but the liberal media kept "reporting" how we were losing
Like Viet Nam, the left is pushing for surrender, and if we leave before the job is done, the slaughter in Iraq will be much worse then the slaughter in Viet Nam
We lost the support of the people in Vietnam. Our objectives became muddled and in truth the enemy did defeat us through insurgency and superior guerrilla tacticts. I don't know what planet you get your information from. The bottom line was then as now, we had no business being there in the first place. Our government lied to us about why we were in Vietnam to begin with. They also lied to us repeatedly about "progress" in that war. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Doesn't all of that sound very familiar today?
You can call it "surrender" but most intelligent people call it simply cutting our losses. It simply doesn't make any sense to continue with strategies that aren't working out of sheer stubborness.
BTW it's not just the "left" that's pushing for a withdrawal of troops. Republicans are deserting Bush like rats off a sinking ship.
Guess you're going to have to find a new talking point huh?
We lost the support of the people in Vietnam. Our objectives became muddled and in truth the enemy did defeat us through insurgency and superior guerrilla tacticts. I don't know what planet you get your information from. The bottom line was then as now, we had no business being there in the first place. Our government lied to us about why we were in Vietnam to begin with. They also lied to us repeatedly about "progress" in that war. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Doesn't all of that sound very familiar today?
We lost the support of the people in Vietnam. Our objectives became muddled and in truth the enemy did defeat us through insurgency and superior guerrilla tacticts. I don't know what planet you get your information from. The bottom line was then as now, we had no business being there in the first place. Our government lied to us about why we were in Vietnam to begin with. They also lied to us repeatedly about "progress" in that war. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Doesn't all of that sound very familiar today?
You can call it "surrender" but most intelligent people call it simply cutting our losses. It simply doesn't make any sense to continue with strategies that aren't working out of sheer stubborness.
BTW it's not just the "left" that's pushing for a withdrawal of troops. Republicans are deserting Bush like rats off a sinking ship.
Guess you're going to have to find a new talking point huh?
You sir, couldn't be farther from the truth. We didn't loose the support of the locals, we lost the support of the AMERICAN PEOPLE, thanks in no small part to the MSM.
Don't know if you "heads in the sand" type's will every "get it", but "defeat" was NOT what happened to the United States in "Nam, TREASON was what happen, pure and simple. Treason by conspiracy, a conspiracy of the left.
There were lies a plenty, on BOTH sides of the issue, many should be ashamed, and many of those could be brought up on charges, but what would it prove, that we are a country without ball's, a country with no will to suffer the bad with the good, a country that has lost its courage? For what purpose?.
Whats happening today has NOTHING to do with what happened in Viet Nam, NOTHING.
So in short, appeasement is still the way you want to fight terrorists?
Sen Webb is showing how Dems will deal terrorists in the Washington Times this morning - sums the Dems up perfectly
