Zone1 What are the Signs of the Times (Parable of the fig tree)?

[surada]

9. The Abomination of Desolation Spoken of by Daniel the Prophets will come to pass.
Verses
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand),
16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

To the prophet Joseph Smith, these verses were given more clarity through revelation as follows:

Joseph Smith - Matthew 1:32-34
32 And again shall the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.
33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
34 Verily, I say unto you, this generation, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.

Basically it is predicted that the Abomination of Desolation would occur twice. The first occurrence happened in 70 A.D. when the Jews were scattered and destroyed in Jerusalem. The second occurrence will happen when Jerusalem is again besieged right before Jesus comes back and sets his foot down upon the Mount of Olives and saves the Jews in their plight. This more famously known as the the time of the battle of Armageddon. The shortening of those days, I believe, applies to the second Abomination of Desolation and it will be Jesus who brings those days to be shortened by his coming and setting his foot upon the Mount of Olives.

Nope. The first abomination of desolation was during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanies around 167 BC. He was keen to Hellenize the Jews so he forbid circumcision, defiled the temple with pagan gods and pig sacrifices. This is where Joseph Smith destroyed his credibility.

 

[onefour1]

Nope. The first abomination of desolation was during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanies around 167 BC. He was keen to Hellenize the Jews so he forbid circumcision, defiled the temple with pagan gods and pig sacrifices. This is where Joseph Smith destroyed his credibility.

And I suppose that you must also believe that Jesus Christ also destroyed his credibility since he taught that the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet was still to come in the future.

Matthew 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).
16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

A future event not occurring before Christ's time on earth.

 

[surada]

And I suppose that you must also believe that Jesus Christ also destroyed his credibility since he taught that the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet was still to come in the future.

Matthew 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).
16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

A future event not occurring before Christ's time on earth.

The first abomination of desolation was the work of Antiochus IV Epiphanies around 167 BC.. the second was in 67 AD.

The book of Daniel was written in 164 BC.

 

[surada]

9. The Abomination of Desolation Spoken of by Daniel the Prophets will come to pass.
Verses
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand),
16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

To the prophet Joseph Smith, these verses were given more clarity through revelation as follows:

Joseph Smith - Matthew 1:32-34
32 And again shall the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.
33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
34 Verily, I say unto you, this generation, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.

Basically it is predicted that the Abomination of Desolation would occur twice. The first occurrence happened in 70 A.D. when the Jews were scattered and destroyed in Jerusalem. The second occurrence will happen when Jerusalem is again besieged right before Jesus comes back and sets his foot down upon the Mount of Olives and saves the Jews in their plight. This more famously known as the the time of the battle of Armageddon. The shortening of those days, I believe, applies to the second Abomination of Desolation and it will be Jesus who brings those days to be shortened by his coming and setting his foot upon the Mount of Olives.

The abomination of desolation was during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanies the first time... Then again in 67 AD.

 

[surada]

And I suppose that you must also believe that Jesus Christ also destroyed his credibility since he taught that the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet was still to come in the future.

Matthew 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).
16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

A future event not occurring before Christ's time on earth.

You can't read. Jesus referenced the abomination of desolation written about in Daniel. It already happened once.

 

[surada]

And I suppose that you must also believe that Jesus Christ also destroyed his credibility since he taught that the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet was still to come in the future.

Matthew 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).
16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

A future event not occurring before Christ's time on earth.

John of Patmos writes to the 7 churches that he's their brother in tribulation.

 

[onefour1]

You can't read. Jesus referenced the abomination of desolation written about in Daniel. It already happened once.

It was a prophesy by Daniel not an occurence of his time.

 

[surada]

It was a prophesy by Daniel not an occurence of his time.

That's where you screw up.

Antiochus IV

penelope.uchicago.edu

 

[onefour1]

That's where you screw up.

Antiochus IV

penelope.uchicago.edu

This where you screw up. Daniel did not live during the days of Antiochus Epiphanes. He was not a liar and lived when he said he did. Christ recognized Daniel as a prophet and thus recognized his writings as prophesies. You tend to side with those who think that prophesy is not possible and thus believe Daniel had to tell of things only in hindsight.

See

When Was the Book of Daniel Written?​

 

[surada]

This where you screw up. Daniel did not live during the days of Antiochus Epiphanes. He was not a liar and lived when he said he did. Christ recognized Daniel as a prophet and thus recognized his writings as prophesies. You tend to side with those who think that prophesy is not possible and thus believe Daniel had to tell of things only in hindsight.

See

When Was the Book of Daniel Written?​

I can write a book today and set it during the Revolutionary War.

Book of Daniel - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[onefour1]

I can write a book today and set it during the Revolutionary War.

Book of Daniel - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Just because that capability exists does mean that that is the case with Daniel. The Lord saw Daniel as a prophet first and foremost and not a historian.

 

[onefour1]

If you have a few hours to burn, I thought this film on end time prophesies was quite interesting:

 

[ninja007]

the second coming comes at least 7 years after the pretrib rapture.

 

[surada]

the second coming comes at least 7 years after the pretrib rapture.

The rapture is a misunderstanding of Thessalonians. The tribulation was over in 70 AD or at least with the fall of Masada. Jesus told them when they see the abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel they were to flee Jerusalem for the mountains. The early followers of Jesus fled to Pella and avoided the tribulation.

 

[surada]

9. The Abomination of Desolation Spoken of by Daniel the Prophets will come to pass.
Verses
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand),
16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

To the prophet Joseph Smith, these verses were given more clarity through revelation as follows:

Joseph Smith - Matthew 1:32-34
32 And again shall the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.
33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
34 Verily, I say unto you, this generation, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.

Basically it is predicted that the Abomination of Desolation would occur twice. The first occurrence happened in 70 A.D. when the Jews were scattered and destroyed in Jerusalem. The second occurrence will happen when Jerusalem is again besieged right before Jesus comes back and sets his foot down upon the Mount of Olives and saves the Jews in their plight. This more famously known as the the time of the battle of Armageddon. The shortening of those days, I believe, applies to the second Abomination of Desolation and it will be Jesus who brings those days to be shortened by his coming and setting his foot upon the Mount of Olives.

The first Abomination of Desolation was when Antiochus IV Epiphanies defiled the temple in his efforts to hellenize the Jews. That's what Jesus referenced.

 

[onefour1]

The first Abomination of Desolation was when Antiochus IV Epiphanies defiled the temple in his efforts to hellenize the Jews. That's what Jesus referenced.

When Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation he said, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet". Antiochus IV Epiphanies came before Jesus. Jesus was speaking of a future event. Jesus was speaking of the desolation of the temple and the death and scattering of the Jews that occurred in 70 A.D.

 

[surada]

When Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation he said, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet". Antiochus IV Epiphanies came before Jesus. Jesus was speaking of a future event. Jesus was speaking of the desolation of the temple and the death and scattering of the Jews that occurred in 70 A.D.

That's correct. The first Abominable of Desolation was under Antiochus IV Epiphanies.

 

[LibertyKid]

When Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation he said, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet". Antiochus IV Epiphanies came before Jesus. Jesus was speaking of a future event. Jesus was speaking of the desolation of the temple and the death and scattering of the Jews that occurred in 70 A.D.

Yep.

That's correct. The first Abominable of Desolation was under Antiochus IV Epiphanies.

and yep.

When Jesus and John the Revelator both stated that these events will soon take place to that very generation, why would anyone understand that as some future generation, thousands of years removed from the original context. it is hermeneutical gymnastics at best and we can thank Darby and the Schofield Bible for popularizing a hermeneutic that is illogical and narratively and historically inaccurate.

 

[surada]

Yep.

and yep.

When Jesus and John the Revelator both stated that these events will soon take place to that very generation, why would anyone understand that as some future generation, thousands of years removed from the original context. it is hermeneutical gymnastics at best and we can thank Darby and the Schofield Bible for popularizing a hermeneutic that is illogical and narratively and historically inaccurate.

Cyrus Schofield was hired to promote Christian Zionism by Samuel Untermyer.

 

[surada]

The rebirth of the nation of Israel in 1948 was the first major sign. The rest are less about unique events than about a confluence of "normal" things that have happened through the ages but which will increase in scale and timing:

Jesus identifies "the beginnings of birth pangs":[10]

• Nations rising up against nations, and kingdoms against kingdoms;
• Earthquakes;
• Famines;
• Pestilence;
• Fearful events.

Next he described more birth pangs which would lead to the coming Kingdom:[10]

• False prophets;[11][12][13]
• Apostasy;
• Persecution of the followers of Jesus;
• The spread of Jesus' message (the Gospel) around the world.

Jesus then warned the disciples about the abomination of desolation "standing where it does not belong".

After Jesus described the "abomination that causes desolation", he warns that the people of Judea should flee to the mountains as a matter of such urgency that they shouldn't even return to get things from their homes. Jesus also warned that if it happened in winter or on the Sabbath fleeing would be even more difficult. Jesus described this as a time of "Great Tribulation" worse than anything that had gone before.

One other that I believe is nearing fulfillment is Ezekiel 38/39

A leader from the uttermost north of Israel named Gog of Magog will lead a coalition of countries against Israel for the purpose of taking a "spoil".

‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia, [b]Ethiopia, and [c]Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

These nations that are listed are the modern countries of Iran, Turkey, Libya, and several other, smaller nations which share one commonality. They are all Islamic nations.
TMK, there is no precedent for an alliance between Turkey (Sunni) and Iran (Shia). Neither do either of them have a history of aligning themselves with Russia. ALL of this is happening right now. We are watching it unfold. This catastrophe in Ukraine was, IMO, caused by the west pushing ever farther east with NATO and it is leading to a realignment of Russia with multiple other nations and that will lead to these events, in time.

Gog and Magog invaded in 638 BC . Some stayed behind and built Scythiopolis.

You must be a big fan of Late Great Planet Earth.