“I Cannot Afford To Live”: Americans Get Emotional As The U.S. Economy Goes Off The Rails

[Harpy Eagle]

The economy is doing well which is good for the wealthy. A good economy means nothing to middle class and poor as the structure of power is all in the owners hands today. Labor unions are on the out, most states are "at will" employers, benefits have been allowed to be scraped back to nothing.

Basically the economy is good but that doesnt mean youre doing well unless you are at the top. Welcome to America.

This is certainly not true. We am neither wealthy nor all that close to the top, yet the wife and I are doing great

 

[sparky]

Basically the economy is good but that doesnt mean youre doing well unless you are at the top. Welcome to America.

~S~

 

[citygator]

This is certainly not true. We am neither wealthy nor all that close to the top, yet the wife and I are doing great

Their are some outliers but if you are in the 1% you are doing great, top 10% you will save money for retirement and put your kids through college, next 20% are mostly limping into retirement and some will get their kids through college, the bottom 70% are a paycheck from being in trouble and their kids are on their own. That is nothing new, it has been like that for decades.

Home equity increasing has helped nearly 60-70% of America which is the largest build of wealth in history.

There is a structural issue in America that is consolidating more wealth up top. Trickle down has never worked. It has to be forced down.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Their are some outliers but if you are in the 1% you are doing great, top 10% you will save money for retirement and put your kids through college, next 20% are mostly limping into retirement and some will get their kids through college, the bottom 70% are a paycheck from being in trouble and their kids are on their own. That is nothing new, it has been like that for decades.

Home equity increasing has helped nearly 60-70% of America which is the largest build of wealth in history.

There is a structural issue in America that is consolidating more wealth up top. Trickle down has never worked. It has to be forced down.

Where in the world is this not the case, and when in history has it not been the case.

 

[Andylusion]

I suggest you learn how to read a basic graph before you start trying to argue about macroeconomics.

In 1997 real estate has been depreciating for 7 years from 1990 peak and “historical trend” at that point was ZERO GROWTH since 1950s.

So let's go back to the data.

There were a couple of bubbles and busts, that happened in the late 70s, and late 80s.
If you remove those bubbles and busts, the prices were generally higher or on par with the 1980s, the 1970s, and the 1940s.
There is no decade you can look at, where the prices in the 1990s were lower, with the exception of the early 1950s. All the men that had been poor from the great depression, and off to war during WW2, they call came back, the government cut spending and deregulated.

The result was a boom in housing. All those men got jobs and started families, and wanted a home. So there was a mild housing boom.

There is no evidence based on that graph, to suggest the housing market was depressed at all.

 

[Andylusion]

Their are some outliers but if you are in the 1% you are doing great, top 10% you will save money for retirement and put your kids through college, next 20% are mostly limping into retirement and some will get their kids through college, the bottom 70% are a paycheck from being in trouble and their kids are on their own. That is nothing new, it has been like that for decades.

Home equity increasing has helped nearly 60-70% of America which is the largest build of wealth in history.

There is a structural issue in America that is consolidating more wealth up top. Trickle down has never worked. It has to be forced down.

The 1% are always going to do great. So that's a pointless observation. And if you are in the top 25%, and you are 'limping' into retirement, then you are a moron. You have no one to blame but yourself.
And if you are in the bottom 70%, and you are one paycheck away from being in trouble, then you are making bad choices in life.

A janitor secretly amassed an $8 million fortune and left most of it to his library and hospital

A one-time janitor and gas station attendant demonstrated that you can become a multimillionaire with a modest salary.

www.cnbc.com

If a janitor can end up with $8 million, by mopping floors, and emptying trash cans, and you can't.... that's a YOU problem.

Trickle down has never worked.

Trickle down is how everything works. If it didn't work, you would be eating bugs in a gutter somewhere.

Every single job that even exists, is trickle down working. Every bit food you can buy, is trickle down working. Every car, every bit of clothing, every product, every service you can get, everything is trickle down working.

If you are poor, that's a YOU problem. It's not because the economy isn't working.

And by the way, tickle down is universal. There is no system, no economy, no nation or culture, that doesn't have trickle down.

If you go to the State owned Steel company in Communist China, and you walk into the production yard, you will find a bunch of low paid people. If you walk into the CEO office, you will find a very rich and wealthy Chinese guy.

Trickle down is how the entire world works. Without trickle down, you end up in North Korea, eating grass. Ask Yeonmi Park. Watch any of her hundreds of youtube videos on North Korea. She'll explain what not having trickle down looks like.

 

[Andylusion]

~S~

Dumb video. People who produce more have more. People who produce less, and invest less, and create less... have less? No kidding.

Wealth is not "distributed". You create it.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Dumb video. People who produce more have more. People who produce less, and invest less, and create less... have less? No kidding.

Wealth is not "distributed". You create it.

Very naïve and unrealistic view of things.

What does Warren Buffett actually produce?

 

[AntonToo]

There is no evidence based on that graph, to suggest the housing market was depressed at all.

No depressed?...After real estate prices were FALLING for 7 years straight? Wtf is wrong with you?

Securitization products were underlied by assuptions of ASSET GROWTH. Who is their right mind is going to be thinking that after 7 years of depreciation? Who in their right mind going to be thinking - hmm you know, now is a great time to get into that bussiness.

NO ONE, stop posting nonsense.

 

[Andylusion]

Very naïve and unrealistic view of things.

What does Warren Buffett actually produce?

Investing has produced everything. Every single thing that exists anywhere, someone had to invest to make that that happen.

Name something you think would exist if not for rich people like Buffet investing in it?

As for him specifically, I could list dozens of example, but the most obvious is Geico. Geico insurance today has over 38,000 employees, and provides service to over 17 million policies.

Warren Buffet was one of the original investors in 1951, and he ended up buying up Geico and pouring millions into the company in 1996 when he made Geico a subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway.

 

[Andylusion]

No depressed?...After real estate prices were FALLING for 7 years straight? Wtf is wrong with you?

Securitization products were underlied by assuptions of ASSET GROWTH. Who is their right mind is going to be thinking that after 7 years of depreciation? Who in their right mind going to be thinking - hmm you know, now is a great time to get into that bussiness.

NO ONE, stop posting nonsense.

Yes, after falling 7 years straight, they were not depressed.
Can you not read the graph? The prices in 1989 were from a bubble. The bubble burst. When price bubbles burst, they fall until they reach the normal market rates. The prices that the housing market fell to by 1993 to 1997, were in fact the normal stable market rates, and you can see that clearly in the graph.

 

[Markle]

This is certainly not true. We am neither wealthy nor all that close to the top, yet the wife and I are doing great

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I always am.

 

[AntonToo]

Yes, after falling 7 years straight, they were not depressed.

I'm done replying to your stupidity. This is absurd.

 

[Markle]

If you google Ford Record Profit Sharing 1999, 1998, keep going. You will see Ford was profitable and the employees were paid well.

Then 2000's came and if I remember correctly, it was an all out assault on unions. So Republicans practically cheered as uneducated blue collar workers lost their jobs to Mexico or China. But no problem, Bush's economy turned into a service economy. Because the dollar was so low, we now wait on rich people from other countries who come here to take advantage of the weak dollar. Service jobs, that don't pay nearly what manufacturing jobs do.

One reason I don't feel sorry for these deplorables is because they voted for Reagan Bush and Trump. Now they are falling for Trump? It's these former highly paid union workers who are butt hurt about losing their jobs and pensions, and now they are voting GOP? Fuck em!

You're just being goofy...again.

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[sealybobo]

You're just being goofy...again.

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   Was my new car built in Mexico?
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What's your point?

I told two Republicans at work today that MOST of the manufacturing jobs went overseas in the 2000's. One guy kept insisting that it was the 90's. He sooo wanted to blame Clinton. Not only did I show him he was wrong, we have a great local example. The Ford Lincoln plant in our town went to Mexico in the 2000's. The other one remembered because it happened the year he moved here from Germany. Of course he likes Trump, fucking Nazi. LOL

 

[Markle]

What's your point?

I told two Republicans at work today that MOST of the manufacturing jobs went overseas in the 2000's. One guy kept insisting that it was the 90's. He sooo wanted to blame Clinton. Not only did I show him he was wrong, we have a great local example. The Ford Lincoln plant in our town went to Mexico in the 2000's. The other one remembered because it happened the year he moved here from Germany. Of course he likes Trump, fucking Nazi. LOL

 

[Andylusion]

I'm done replying to your stupidity. This is absurd.

Sorry the facts don't fit your ideology.

 

[Andylusion]

What's your point?

I told two Republicans at work today that MOST of the manufacturing jobs went overseas in the 2000's. One guy kept insisting that it was the 90's. He sooo wanted to blame Clinton. Not only did I show him he was wrong, we have a great local example. The Ford Lincoln plant in our town went to Mexico in the 2000's. The other one remembered because it happened the year he moved here from Germany. Of course he likes Trump, fucking Nazi. LOL

You and your buddy are both wrong.

It doesn't matter who is president.
If you have unions that drive out jobs, jobs are going to leave. There is no president that will stop jobs leaving if union make those jobs unprofitable.

You pointed to the Ford plant. Well the Honda plant here in Ohio was started in 1982. They had 65 workers. They expanded, and expanded, and now has over 15,000 employees, and that is soon to rise because Honda started construction on a 110,000 sqft facility.

Of course.... Honda is non-union. Union jobs are being driven out. And non-union jobs are moving in.

The problem isn't whatever idiot you have in office. The problem is you screwing your own jobs with unions.

 

[sealybobo]

You and your buddy are both wrong.

It doesn't matter who is president.
If you have unions that drive out jobs, jobs are going to leave. There is no president that will stop jobs leaving if union make those jobs unprofitable.

You pointed to the Ford plant. Well the Honda plant here in Ohio was started in 1982. They had 65 workers. They expanded, and expanded, and now has over 15,000 employees, and that is soon to rise because Honda started construction on a 110,000 sqft facility.

Of course.... Honda is non-union. Union jobs are being driven out. And non-union jobs are moving in.

The problem isn't whatever idiot you have in office. The problem is you screwing your own jobs with unions.

Well sure! If a company can choose between manufacturing in Mexico or USA, they're going to pick Mexico every time. We should have told them we'd tariff them if they left. In other words, to sell it here, you have to make it here. Now it's too late. Trump tried that in 2019 and manufacturing HALTED suddenly. Suddenly people weren't buying. It was too expensive. Prices shot up. INFLATION occured. Because Trump started a trade war with China. Republicans here said sorry I was going to have to suffer initially but it's better if we buy American and bring jobs back home. Guess what? Trump didn't win that trade war. He just slowed down growth and cost a lot of people a lot of money.

I was like holy shit is it going to happen again? Is Trump going to fuck me like Bush did in the 2000's?

U.S. has lost 5 million manufacturing jobs since 2000

And most of those workers found service jobs that don't pay nearly as much.

So the people Republicans said worth overpaid in the 2000's, are the same uneducated blue collar workers today who are voting Republican? How? Because Trump blamed lllegals and said he'd bring their jobs back home. Idiots. Deplorables.

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