What A Hit

[mudwhistle]

Coulda done without the elbow to the facemask......

Probably going to get a big fine for this one.

 

[Concerned American]

Coulda done without the elbow to the facemask......

Probably going to get a big fine for this one.

Probably so. I don't agree with the fine, but you are most likely correct. I think the slide rule along with a host of other modern NFL rules are BS. That slide came after the Bears player had already committed and had the QB continued, Al Shaair would have made a perfectly legal hit. SMH, I yearn for the NFL of 60s and 70s. I won't be surprised when the NFL becomes a flag football league.

 

[mudwhistle]

Probably so. I don't agree with the fine, but you are most likely correct. I think the slide rule along with a host of other modern NFL rules are BS. That slide came after the Bears player had already committed and had the QB continued, Al Shaair would have made a perfectly legal hit. SMH, I yearn for the NFL of 60s and 70s. I won't be surprised when the NFL becomes a flag football league.

The elbow wasn't necessary. Good way to kill someone.

Nother thing.....if you see the QB dropping down to slide you let him go, maybe touch him as you go by. But don't trying to kill the guy by taking his head off.
I played college ball.
I always aimed for their numbers.

 

[Fiero425]

The elbow wasn't necessary. Good way to kill someone.

Nother thing.....if you see the QB dropping down to slide you let him go, maybe touch him as you go by. But don't trying to kill the guy by taking his head off.
I played college ball.
** I always aimed for their numbers. **

That was you being a smart, competitive player! Most others & the rest are scumbags as you see them going for the knees, legs, & head of players! No amount of fines can stop all the psychos out there who just want to mame another player! I truly believe any given play could be the last for these guys out there as the speed of the game has increased espo. w/ their athleticism!

 

[toobfreak]

Coulda done without the elbow to the facemask......
Probably going to get a big fine for this one.

What is the complaint? His head is still attached! Have you never heard of smash-mouth football?

 

[Concerned American]

But don't trying to kill the guy by taking his head off.
I played college ball.
I always aimed for their numbers.

That was where the hit was aimed--at the numbers. The slide at the last fraction of a second is what made it bad. It happens all the time in the NFL. If the QB takes off, he is a runner. IDGAF if he slides or not, he should be fair game. If they want to turn the NFL into a non contact sport, then they should be ready for the loss of viewers.

 

[toobfreak]

Probably so. I don't agree with the fine, but you are most likely correct. I think the slide rule along with a host of other modern NFL rules are BS. That slide came after the Bears player had already committed and had the QB continued, Al Shaair would have made a perfectly legal hit. SMH, I yearn for the NFL of 60s and 70s. I won't be surprised when the NFL becomes a flag football league.

Players and QBs are entirely too protected anymore by the NFL solely because of their salaries. Just like children, when a person knows they are overly-protected, they take bigger risks.

As a result, QBs get away with anything now and you don't know how to stop them because there is no way of hitting them now without drawing some sort of stiff penalty. In a few years, players will be running around with inflated rubber suits on.

Just today, I saw a touchdown in the end zone nullified because the running back at the 3 yard line got held up literally just for a second by the opposing team before finishing his run into the end zone but the refs blew the whistle when he was just feet from crossing in killing the play in mid-motion out of fear someone might get roughed up trying to score.

 

[Concerned American]

In a few years, players will be running around with inflated rubber suits on.

The new giant helmet cover that they are using this year is proof of that!

 

[DukeU]

That was where the hit was aimed--at the numbers. The slide at the last fraction of a second is what made it bad. It happens all the time in the NFL. If the QB takes off, he is a runner. IDGAF if he slides or not, he should be fair game. If they want to turn the NFL into a non contact sport, then they should be ready for the loss of viewers.

Most viewers want to see the best players play.

T. Lawrence will not be playing now because of an illegal hit.

 

[toobfreak]

The elbow wasn't necessary. Good way to kill someone.

He hit him in the upper chest near the clavicle. What you say is easy to say but very hard to do when the QB is running full speed at you changing height and position while you are flying at him already committed with all your might going 30 mph in the air trying to stop him.

All this stuff happens in a split second.

Like you said, it has come down to just "letting him go," but that defeats the competition and spirit of the sport.

These situations are being CREATED by the NFL by over-protecting QBs. When you are so protected, you take these risks. Same as putting all this safety gear in cars allows people to drive crazier. If QBs knew they weren't protected so much, they would take fewer risks and would just slide sooner.

Players in the 70s played harder, hit harder and got injured less because they were tougher.

 

[Concerned American]

Most viewers want to see the best players play.

T. Lawrence will not be playing now because of an illegal hit.

It is a violent, dangerous game. That is why they get the big bucks. The only people who are concerned are the owners who are seeing their million dollar investments getting taken out and losing their money. Players in the 60s and 70s saw much harder hits for a bunch less money.

 

[DukeU]

It is a violent, dangerous game. That is why they get the big bucks. The only people who are concerned are the owners who are seeing their million dollar investments getting taken out and losing their money. Players in the 60s and 70s saw much harder hits for a bunch less money.

Players of the 60s and 70s played by the rules of the 60s and 70s.

It was an illegal hit.

 

[toobfreak]

T. Lawrence will not be playing now because of an illegal hit.

Illegal hit? Run a stopwatch and figure out how many hundredths of a second between beginning of slide to contact. This stuff is not happening at the slo-mo speed of instant replay.

T Lawrence will not be playing now because the NFL protects his ass so much he thought he was untouchable so went father and slid later than he should have.

I see QBs routinely get an extra 5 yards or more than any other runner would because the defenders don't know how to touch them without getting penalized now.

Protecting QBs the way the NFL does now just makes it harder to defend and allows QBs to put themselves deeper into risky positions banking on being "protected."

Shit happens in pro ball and if you don't want to get taken out, just don't take such deep risks. When the QB runs with the ball, he is now a RUNNING BACK and should be treated as such.

 

[DukeU]

Illegal hit? Run a stopwatch and figure out how many hundredths of a second between beginning of slide to contact. This stuff is not happening at the slo-mo speed of instant replay.

T Lawrence will not be playing now because the NFL protects his ass so much he thought he was untouchable so went father and slid later than he should have.

I see QBs routinely get an extra 5 yards or more than any other runner would because the defenders don't know how to touch them without getting penalized now.

Protecting QBs the way the NFL does now just makes it harder to defend and allows QBs to put themselves deeper into risky positions banking on being "protected."

Shit happens in pro ball and if you don't want to get taken out, just don't take such deep risks. When the QB runs with the ball, he is now a RUNNING BACK and should be treated as such.

Not what the rules say.

It was an illegal hit going by the rule.

 

[Couchpotato]

That was where the hit was aimed--at the numbers. The slide at the last fraction of a second is what made it bad. It happens all the time in the NFL. If the QB takes off, he is a runner. IDGAF if he slides or not, he should be fair game. If they want to turn the NFL into a non contact sport, then they should be ready for the loss of viewers.

Except that's not the rule or even close to the rule and everyone knows it. The player making the tackle is a dumb ass. Lawrence is obviously sliding the defender then launches himself at his head. He should get a fine and a lengthy suspension. How about he doesn't play until Lawrence recovers and is able to play again. Maybe then the message will come across.

 

[Concerned American]

It was an illegal hit.

The NFL has become a game for pussies.

 

[toobfreak]

Not what the rules say.

That is the point--- the current rules suck. It is all intended to protect a team's INVESTMENT because all the NFL cares about is stars not getting hurt so that people will tune in to watch them maximizing advertising revenue. Would as many people watch a Chiefs game if Mahomes were hurt? Every week I see players draw penalties despite playing WITHIN the rules because the rules are so strict now that often, refs call penalties when no penalty occurred just to be on the safe side.

Just the other week, I saw a superb kick block called back for penalty then later admitted no penalty should have been called. Just today I saw a TD stopped in mid play a second before he crossed into the end zone because the refs feared a player might get roughed up in the scrum so blew the play dead right before he crossed the end zone. It has gotten to now games are being decided on bad calls and rogue penalties every week--- the refs have become a third team.

Football was never meant to be "safe."

I've yet to ever meet a boxer who toughened up by not taking hits.

NFL players of the 70s like Jack Lambert and Mean Joe Green would kill the average superstar of today. You don't get tough by never taking hits. Lack of protection makes you take fewer risks and play smarter. I'm sick of all the new rules designed to make the games "safer." It is all about the money and I'm seeing more people hurt more often now than ever in 45 years of watching football because the players are not as tough as they used to be because they don't have to be--- the "rules" protect them now.

Players used to play through contusions and teeth knocked out. Now they are taken out of the game for weeks for a hard hit.

 

[mudwhistle]

He hit him in the upper chest near the clavicle. What you say is easy to say but very hard to do when the QB is running full speed at you changing height and position while you are flying at him already committed with all your might going 30 mph in the air trying to stop him.

All this stuff happens in a split second.

Like you said, it has come down to just "letting him go," but that defeats the competition and spirit of the sport.

These situations are being CREATED by the NFL by over-protecting QBs. When you are so protected, you take these risks. Same as putting all this safety gear in cars allows people to drive crazier. If QBs knew they weren't protected so much, they would take fewer risks and would just slide sooner.

Players in the 70s played harder, hit harder and got injured less because they were tougher.

They were also slower and not as big.
And they got injured all the time. They just didn't have liberals making movies about concussions back then.

He may have aimed for he clavicle but he hit him in the facemask. If he had aimed where he was supposed to, or just tapped him down, he wouldn't be paying a $100K fine. Football players know what they're doing more than you realize. Motherfuckers were always stomping me with their cleats, and it wasn't by accident. Some of those dipshits are trying to end careers because they grew up like a punk or a thug. I played hard but I played clean. I hit em as hard as I could, but I wasn't trying to put them in the hospital, or fuck up their legs. The most damage was from hitting the ground hard, or landing on the ball.

 

[mudwhistle]

The NFL has become a game for pussies.

Most guys that played in college were lucky to run 4.6 forties.

Heck....I know Olinemen that can run almost that fast and weight 315.

Standing on the sidelines....the ground literally shakes from the pounding.

There's nothing pussy about the NFL, except maybe the kickers. But even they are tremendous athletes.

 

[toobfreak]

He may have aimed for he clavicle but he hit him in the facemask.

He aimed for the chest, when they collided, hit in the clavicle area and unavoidably slid up into the face mask. I would say that was pretty good aiming considering the combined speed and brevity of the impact.

If he had aimed where he was supposed to, or just tapped him down, he wouldn't be paying a $100K fine.

If Thea had never hit the Earth we'd have no moon neither. The QB was a RB running the ball and the defender tried to do his job to the best of his abilities. Had the NFL not imposed such "protective rules" on players, the QB would not have taken the risk. The NFL caused the penalty not the player. This is all "legal circus" by the NFL to appease a bunch of high-paid lawyers striving to make the sport safer to increase game revenue.