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if only arbrey didnt attack them and get killed he could sue them for something,,,,
Can't believe some people are that paranoid they walk around with a gun in their hand.
And I know I never claimed that SCOTUS makes laws, the laws I'm referring to are the ones you correctly mentioned have to be "constitutional" such as what was determined in the Heller and MacDonld decisions which clarified that the right to keep & bear arms is a personal right and not a right reserved to the states as in a milita.
Funny how when the USSC rules in favour of gun lovers suddenly it;s doing a great job.
Ha!And I know I never claimed that SCOTUS makes laws, the laws I'm referring to are the ones you correctly mentioned have to be "constitutional" such as what was determined in the Heller and MacDonld decisions which clarified that the right to keep & bear arms is a personal right and not a right reserved to the states as in a milita.
Funny how when the USSC rules in favour of gun lovers suddenly it;s doing a great job.
When they act right according to the constitution, then they are doing a good job. When they act wrong, and against the constitution, then they are doing a bad job.
Can't believe some people are that paranoid they walk around with a gun in their hand.
I've had my car broken into twice. I've had my house broken into. I've had my stuff ransacked. I've had things broken, and stuff stolen. I've had debt collectors ringing me over the checks they stole and wrote fraudulently in my name.
We had so many break ins, and so many cases of vandalism, that we had to hire a private security firm, to patrol our condo area.
Look dude... if your life is so brilliant and wonderful, that you never have any crime in your area, count your blessings.
I don't have money to move where ever. I don't have money for expensive securities systems and monthly subscriptions. I don't even have cable TV, or an expensive smart phone. But I do have enough money for a gun.
Again, if your life is so fantastic, great. But the rest of us live with crime in our area, and we're a bit sick of it.
Maybe if you worthless piles of trash voted in people that fixed crime in our area to, we wouldn't need guns. Maybe instead of getting more medicaid and food stamps, you put more police on the beat, and stopped this criminal nonsense, we wouldn't have to stop it ourselves.
I can only partially agree with both of them,,,heller contradicts itself by both saying its an individual right and then saying it can be infringed upon through regulations which makes it a privilege,,,I know what the second amendment is, it's part of the Bill of Rights which are the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution which enumerates the rights of "the People of the United States" which the government is prohibited from infringing upon.scotus doesnt make law,,,they can only rule if a law is constitutional with an opinion that can later be changed,,,So you were intentionally insulting me when you asked if I were familiar with the 2nd Amendment by pretending to believe I am not American? No offense taken, I get that reaction a lot from guys when they find out I'm not a stupid as they thought.sorry I thought you were an american,,,Who is we?are you familiar with what we call the 2nd amendment???I don't know what you mean by this. Do you not live in the United States? I'm only familiar with U.S. firearm laws.not in this country,,,although democrats and republicans have got away with it because they are more willing to kill people that resist them,,,Yes however how you keep & bear arms is regulated at the state levelhere in the USA its legal in all states because of the 2nd amendment,,,More questions:Two questions:I've walked around outside my condo with my 9mm. If you ran at me and try and take the gun from me... I will shoot you.
Moving on.
1. When you're walking around your condo with your 9mm is it holstered or in your hand?
2. If someone rushed you, how would you know that they wanted your gun?
Hand. I don't own a holster.
Most people don't reach for a weapon in your hand, if they are trying to swat a bug off your clothing.
Kind of a dumb question. You are asking that as if a person could be holding something in their hand, and somehow not know if another person is trying to take it.
1. Do you live in an open carry state and if it's not too personal, which state?
2. So when you're walking around your condo with your weapon in your hand, are you on your own property or in a common area that is accessible and used by other people who live in the community?
Because gun laws are regulated (lesgislated) at the state level.I'm everywhere. Right now I'm in Kansas. Tomorrow I'll be in Illinois. Yesterday I was in Texas and Oklahoma. What difference does that make?And you're in Missouri?
Are either of you concealed carry holders?
at least for now,,,
As far as people being more willing to kill than resist, it all depends.
"In order to ensure a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" - I didn't Google this so I'm not sure I got it exactly right but it should be close.
Are you familiar with SCOTUS, the Supreme Court of the United States whose job it is to "explain" what the U.S. Constitution says and means, including the 2nd amendment?
yes I know of the SCOTUS opinion,,,and remember its an opinion that can be changed later,,,but I dont need them to read simple english,,,
SCOTUS decisions are the ultimate law of the land, they cannot be changed that is why the 14th Amendment was required to address the damage done by the landmark SCOTUS descision in the Dred Scott case which determined people of African descent were not citizens of the United States and therefore were not entitled to any of the protections provided by the U.S. Constitution.
The fact that you keep reverting back to the 2nd Amendment as the only authority that you need is a perfect example of what I was alluding to in my OP, that it's rarely simply one law that determines the legality of a case.
and the 2nd is not a law its a right that the government has no say in and is sworn to protect,,,
And I know I never claimed that SCOTUS makes laws, the laws I'm referring to are the ones you correctly mentioned have to be "constitutional" such as what was determined in the Heller and MacDonld decisions which clarified that the right to keep & bear arms is a personal right and not a right reserved to the states as in a milita.
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, unconnected with service in a militia, for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.[1] It also stated that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and that guns and gun ownership would continue to be regulated. It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense or if the right was intended for state militias.[2]
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia
McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), is a landmark[1] decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that found that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms," as protected under the Second Amendment, is incorporated by either the Due Process Clause or Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and is thereby enforceable against the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.
Initially the Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit had upheld a Chicago ordinance banning the possession of handguns as well as other gun regulations affecting rifles and shotguns, citing United States v. Cruikshank, Presser v. Illinois, and Miller v. Texas.[2] The petition for certiorari was filed by Alan Gura, the attorney who had successfully argued Heller, and Chicago-area attorney David G. Sigale.[3] The Second Amendment Foundation and the Illinois State Rifle Association sponsored the litigation on behalf of several Chicago residents, including retiree Otis McDonald.
The oral arguments took place on March 2, 2010.[4][5] On June 28, 2010, the Supreme Court, in a 5–4 decision, reversed the Seventh Circuit's decision, holding that the Second Amendment was incorporated under the Fourteenth Amendment thus protecting those rights from infringement by state and local governments.[6] It then remanded the case back to Seventh Circuit to resolve conflicts between certain Chicago gun restrictions and the Second Amendment.
McDonald v. City of Chicago - Wikipedia
it all comes down to the final event,,if only arbrey didnt attack them and get killed he could sue them for something,,,,
If only they hadn't been chasing him in the first place.
He wasn't a threat to them.
Even if he was a burglar (and that is far from settled), they had no right to chase him. Now, if he was a mass murderer or had raped, severely injured somebody, I get that. But a suspicion of being on a building site? Fuck that. I hope both men go to prison. For a long time.
Can't believe some people are that paranoid they walk around with a gun in their hand.
I've had my car broken into twice. I've had my house broken into. I've had my stuff ransacked. I've had things broken, and stuff stolen. I've had debt collectors ringing me over the checks they stole and wrote fraudulently in my name.
We had so many break ins, and so many cases of vandalism, that we had to hire a private security firm, to patrol our condo area.
Look dude... if your life is so brilliant and wonderful, that you never have any crime in your area, count your blessings.
I don't have money to move where ever. I don't have money for expensive securities systems and monthly subscriptions. I don't even have cable TV, or an expensive smart phone. But I do have enough money for a gun.
Again, if your life is so fantastic, great. But the rest of us live with crime in our area, and we're a bit sick of it.
Maybe if you people voted in people that fixed crime in our area to, we wouldn't need guns. Maybe instead of getting more medicaid and food stamps, you put more police on the beat, and stopped this criminal nonsense, we wouldn't have to stop it ourselves.
Your choices, your life. If you live in a bad area and can't afford certain things, whose fault is that? Not mine. It sounds like your life sucks. Whose fault is that?
how so???Heller sucks. It wasn't meant to be an individual right.
how so???Heller sucks. It wasn't meant to be an individual right.
its clarifies the second half,,,how so???Heller sucks. It wasn't meant to be an individual right."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Why even mention militia? Why not just have the bit above that I haven't crossed out. That is an individual right IMO.
its clarifies the second half,,,how so???Heller sucks. It wasn't meant to be an individual right."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Why even mention militia? Why not just have the bit above that I haven't crossed out. That is an individual right IMO.
just read the damn thing,,,
no it doesnt,,,its clarifies the second half,,,how so???Heller sucks. It wasn't meant to be an individual right."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Why even mention militia? Why not just have the bit above that I haven't crossed out. That is an individual right IMO.
just read the damn thing,,,
I have. It seems pretty straightforward to me.
In fact, you are supporting my point. The second half clarifies that you need to be in a militia. Thanks.
Everyone of age was considered part of the militia. Everyone. Do you understand that means everyone?how so???Heller sucks. It wasn't meant to be an individual right."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Why even mention militia? Why not just have the bit above that I haven't crossed out. That is an individual right IMO.
Ya gotta pick your battles. But Zimmerman (supposedly) just followed Trayvon Martin and was (allegedly) attacked. Could be these guys figured a show of force would deter that.if only arbrey didnt attack them and get killed he could sue them for something,,,,
If only they hadn't been chasing him in the first place.
He wasn't a threat to them.
Even if he was a burglar (and that is far from settled), they had no right to chase him. Now, if he was a mass murderer or had raped, severely injured somebody, I get that. But a suspicion of being on a building site? Fuck that. I hope both men go to prison. For a long time.
