We should listen to the “experts”

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are mentally and physically capable of working, you shouldn't be getting welfare.

I'm not on welfare, I'm on disability. This is why I call you Doctor Joe; because you claim to know more than doctors, especially doctors that work for the government. The same doctors that didn't even bother calling me in for an examination. They just took a look at my medical records and approved my claim in about four months, which is the shortest amount of time anybody can get an answer from SS.

But I know.....I know.....you're a liberal, so you always know more than anybody.

First, I don't believe Trump is a billionaire. Secondly, most of his success has been tricking other people into financing his schemes and then declaring bankruptcy.

You need to learn the definition of big words like "most" if you plan on using them here. Donald Trump owned or operated over 500 companies in his career. He filed five bankruptcies. That means he had a 1% bankruptcy rate.

President Trump is a billionaire. Even NBC wrote a story how he lost a billion dollars of personal wealth since he announced his candidacy for President. What other President in our lifetime gave up so much to take that job.

Look, I am all for Social Security. I don't even have a problem with Ray collecting a disability check. It's his pretending that he's better than his HUD neighbors (who probably have jobs, just not ones that pay very well) when he isn't.

I'm way better than my HUD neighbors. I own my own houses, I paid into the system my entire life, not once in the 35 years of living here has anybody called the police on me for any reason, I take care of my place. As I type, there is living room furniture in their HUD backyard just begging for rats to start nesting. All my other neighbors and tenants get along just great. I never had children I could never afford. And I worked all of my life.

Yes, I'm far, far better than any of those lowlifes in every possible way imaginable.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not on welfare, I'm on disability. This is why I call you Doctor Joe; because you claim to know more than doctors, especially doctors that work for the government. The same doctors that didn't even bother calling me in for an examination. They just took a look at my medical records and approved my claim in about four months, which is the shortest amount of time anybody can get an answer from SS.

But I know.....I know.....you're a liberal, so you always know more than anybody.

Look, if calling it a disability makes you feel better about your welfare, by all means, do so. Your self-esteem is important to me, Ray.

You need to learn the definition of big words like "most" if you plan on using them here. Donald Trump owned or operated over 500 companies in his career. He filed five bankruptcies. That means he had a 1% bankruptcy rate.

Actually, he's filed 6 bankruptcies for his Casinos alone...

Then there are all his other failed businesses.

Trump Steaks
GoTrump (online travel site)
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
Trump Magazine
Trump University
Trump Ice (bottled water)
The New Jersey Generals (pro football team)
Tour de Trump (bicycle race)
Trump Network (nutritional supplements)
Trumped! (syndicated radio spot)

We can add to that.
Trump Plague
Trump Recession
Trump Riots

More failures.

I'm way better than my HUD neighbors. I own my own houses, I paid into the system my entire life, not once in the 35 years of living here has anybody called the police on me for any reason, I take care of my place. As I type, there is living room furniture in their HUD backyard just begging for rats to start nesting. All my other neighbors and tenants get along just great. I never had children I could never afford. And I worked all of my life.

Holy shit, Ray is Mrs. Kravitz...

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[Ray From Cleveland]

Nope. Welfare is something you get from the government for not working.

You are not working. You are getting money from the government. You are on welfare.

Nope, I'm collecting from a government insurance program I paid into; no different than collecting from a car accident or house fire from private insurance.

Government put me out of work, so government should compensate, especially with the tens of thousands they collected from me and my employers all of my life.

I didn't volunteer to be on disability, they put me on disability. And like I said, when you offer better credentials than several government doctors about my condition, then shoot off your self-hating mouth. Until that time, keep it shut because you only expose yourself as the hypocrite you always were.

Guy, nobody is responsible for your problems but you. It's not the government's fault you didn't learn any alternate skills or aren't even trying to find a better job. I don't know what your HUD neighbor's story is... but I'll bet they'd love to take a job, but can't get one because racism..

They don't want a job. You don't have a bunch of kids you could never afford and then say racism stopped you from supporting them. We outlawed discrimination in hiring back in the 60's. But as a self-hating white, you constantly stick up for them when I post my concerns and complaints.

I asked you what kind of work a 60 year old with no experience at anything except what he did could do to make a livable wage. You couldn't answer and still can't. That's because it isn't possible. Nobody has a career and learns an alternative one in case they can't continue with their original line of work. In order to have an alternative career, you would have to not only be trained in that career, but have plenty of experience at it to be hired for it in your senior years. In other words, you are talking out of your ass like always.

Naw, I have nothing to be embarrassed about because I don't wake up with a defeatist attitude like you do.

Perhaps, but you do wake up hating yourself. I can't imagine living like that.

Half of these tards never worked so they don’t know the difference between what you and I paid into at $2-4,000 per year for 30/40 years versus never paying a dime for your own well being and sucking at our teat to get their freebies.
They should be very embarrassed but instead are very accusatory

It's the leftist mentality. Only their people should be allowed anything from government, and as you say, even if they didn't pay a dime into the system. What most leftists don't understand about that is all these other federal programs outside of SS, Medicare and yes, disability, all come from income taxes, which no lower income person ever paid.

Their HUD vouchers come from people who pay income tax, their food stamps come from people who pay income tax, their ObamaCare comes from people who pay income tax, their Medicaid comes from people who pay state tax and federal income tax, their daycare comes from people who pay income taxes, it all comes from people who pay income tax.

What Joe is crying about is I paid FICA (where disability comes from) taxes and income taxes all of my adult life. The government put me out of work at 59 and a half years old. I was going to retire at 62 anyways. I just turned 60 a few weeks ago, and got my first deposit from SS one week after my birthday. You have to be out of work six months before they will give you anything.

In any case, Doctor Joe always sticks up for the welfare queens, who had kids they could never afford, are living in neighborhoods they could never afford, eating food they could never afford, even talking on a cell phone they could never afford.

But Doctor Joe is only focused on people who worked all of their lives--not younger, healthier people who did not.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Look, if calling it a disability makes you feel better about your welfare, by all means, do so. Your self-esteem is important to me, Ray.

So is constantly lying.

Actually, he's filed 6 bankruptcies for his Casinos alone...

Then there are all his other failed businesses.

I never said all his business deals were successful, I said out of all the businesses he ran, most were. See, that's the correct use of the word "most." Two of those bankruptcies were actually with one company. So my claim is still valid, he only has a 1% bankruptcy rate, where any CEO would be too happy to have.

We can add to that.
Trump Plague
Trump Recession
Trump Riots

More failures.

None of them were his failures. But if it gets you to sleep at night, I say go for it. Democrats rioting, in Democrat cities, because a police officer killed a minority in one of their Democrat cities, is the Democrat leaderships fault, just like your comrades in China are to blame for the virus they hatched. But keep promoting everything wrong in the world is Trump's fault, because then people can see what we've been saying all along: Democrats are nothing but born liars who can't take any responsibility for themselves.

Holy shit, Ray is Mrs. Kravitz...

No, Ray keep his properties up in good standings and doesn't want to see lowlife HUD filth fuck that up for him, like they fucked up everything else around here.

 

[JoeB131]

It's the leftist mentality. Only their people should be allowed anything from government, and as you say, even if they didn't pay a dime into the system. What most leftists don't understand about that is all these other federal programs outside of SS, Medicare and yes, disability, all come from income taxes, which no lower income person ever paid.

Wrong. Lower income people are paying taxes, too.

None of them were his failures.

Keep telling yourself that, buddy. IN a few years, you and all the other knuckle draggers will be denying you ever supported Trump.

 

[irosie91]

sheeesh I paid income tax back in the day when I worked for $20 per week

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

sheeesh I paid income tax back in the day when I worked for $20 per week

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong. Lower income people are paying taxes, too.

I said income tax. There goes your weak comprehension skills again.

Keep telling yourself that, buddy. IN a few years, you and all the other knuckle draggers will be denying you ever supported Trump.

Why would we deny supporting the best President we've had since Reagan?

 

[irosie91]

sheeesh I paid income tax back in the day when I worked for $20 per week

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

income tax---federal income tax and FICA. The income tax which was withheld
was paid back to me but not the FICA since my total income was so low. When I
graduated college---my income was much higher and the income tax -----belonged
to uncle sam. Half of all adults in the USA earn less than $20 per week?-----that was
circa 1965 when I was in high school. Everyone pays FICA ---right?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

sheeesh I paid income tax back in the day when I worked for $20 per week

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

income tax---federal income tax and FICA. The income tax which was withheld
was paid back to me but not the FICA since my total income was so low. When I
graduated college---my income was much higher and the income tax -----belonged
to uncle sam. Half of all adults in the USA earn less than $20 per week?-----that was
circa 1965 when I was in high school. Everyone pays FICA ---right?

That's payroll tax, not income tax. It is a bit complicated, but there is a difference.

None of FICA goes to fund our military, pay for border patrol, pay for highways or state routes, pays for HUD (which we were speaking of) food stamps, general welfare, daycare vouchers, Medicaid and so forth. Those programs are funded by people who pay income tax. In other words, you don't pay actual income tax unless you made a profit in real estate, your own business, stock market, or commodities to name a few.

Most if not all of the tax you pay from your payroll you get back, and then some, provided you live an average or above lifespan.

If you live the average lifespan in the US or better, you will get all of your SS back and more. You will definitely get all of your Medicare money back. Speaking of which, your FICA tax also goes to support Medicare, but again, you will get that back. Your city, county and state taxes go to services you use everyday, such as local highways, street lights, police and fire, a whole list of things. Also given the fact that about 13% of Americans are on disability of some sort, you may also get more back than you put in FICA if you are in that 13% and also depending on when you went on disability.

I can't explain it much better than this because I'm no tax expert. I'm a retired truck driver. In fact, I have a tax expert prepare my own taxes every year.

 

[JoeB131]

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

Actually, look at the tax tables... the government gets money out of you no matter how little you make.

Point is, everyone is paying in, but if the government gives you money, IT'S WELFARE.

You are on welfare. Which I'm fine with, the idea that we should let people starve if they are no longer useful to the One Percent is kind of stupid.

 

[irosie91]

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

Actually, look at the tax tables... the government gets money out of you no matter how little you make.

Point is, everyone is paying in, but if the government gives you money, IT'S WELFARE.

You are on welfare. Which I'm fine with, the idea that we should let people starve if they are no longer useful to the One Percent is kind of stupid.

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Jo, keep the way of the jungle to yourself. ----
The rest of us are TOUCHED WITH THE DIVINE ----
(uhm. that means evolutionary forces have hardwired
altruism into our brains) We take care of our fellow
HUMANOIDS on this planet

 

[j-mac]

It's the leftist mentality. Only their people should be allowed anything from government, and as you say, even if they didn't pay a dime into the system. What most leftists don't understand about that is all these other federal programs outside of SS, Medicare and yes, disability, all come from income taxes, which no lower income person ever paid.

Wrong. Lower income people are paying taxes, too.

None of them were his failures.

Keep telling yourself that, buddy. IN a few years, you and all the other knuckle draggers will be denying you ever supported Trump.

Well, you'd probably call Henry Ford a failure, or Albert Einstein a failure too....Your trolling is pathetic.

 

[j-mac]

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

Actually, look at the tax tables... the government gets money out of you no matter how little you make.

Point is, everyone is paying in, but if the government gives you money, IT'S WELFARE.

You are on welfare. Which I'm fine with, the idea that we should let people starve if they are no longer useful to the One Percent is kind of stupid.

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So, if I pay in $1000 but get back $3000 did I pay in?

 

[irosie91]

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

Actually, look at the tax tables... the government gets money out of you no matter how little you make.

Point is, everyone is paying in, but if the government gives you money, IT'S WELFARE.

You are on welfare. Which I'm fine with, the idea that we should let people starve if they are no longer useful to the One Percent is kind of stupid.

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So, if I pay in $1000 but get back $3000 did I pay in?

yeah------the Income tax I paid in my twenties MADE
INTEREST for uncle Sam. ----then there are the other
taxes. the SS I get now reflects a part of a lifetime of tax paying. The sidewalk upon which I walk-----reflect the taxes we all pay (or not----maybe) The study of economics is dull and meaningless----ASK AOC She sees economics as LARGE PILES OF CASH owned by the king who must throw the gold coins to the teeming multitudes from his galloping white mercedes-----so all can buy designer sneakers
and be debt and tax free. She is very popular. So was GOOD KING WENCESLAS (as a kid I could play that one on the piano)

 

[j-mac]

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

Actually, look at the tax tables... the government gets money out of you no matter how little you make.

Point is, everyone is paying in, but if the government gives you money, IT'S WELFARE.

You are on welfare. Which I'm fine with, the idea that we should let people starve if they are no longer useful to the One Percent is kind of stupid.

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So, if I pay in $1000 but get back $3000 did I pay in?

yeah------the Income tax I paid in my twenties MADE
INTEREST for uncle Sam. ----then there are the other
taxes. the SS I get now reflects a part of a lifetime of tax paying. The sidewalk upon which I walk-----reflect the taxes we all pay (or not----maybe) The study of economics is dull and meaningless----ASK AOC She sees economics as LARGE PILES OF CASH owned by the king who must throw the gold coins to the teeming multitudes from his galloping white mercedes-----so all can buy designer sneakers
and be debt and tax free. She is very popular. So was GOOD KING WENCESLAS (as a kid I could play that one on the piano)

Interest? We are in debt to the tune of $25 Trillion +/-....There's no interest.....lol

 

[irosie91]

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

Actually, look at the tax tables... the government gets money out of you no matter how little you make.

Point is, everyone is paying in, but if the government gives you money, IT'S WELFARE.

You are on welfare. Which I'm fine with, the idea that we should let people starve if they are no longer useful to the One Percent is kind of stupid.

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So, if I pay in $1000 but get back $3000 did I pay in?

yeah------the Income tax I paid in my twenties MADE
INTEREST for uncle Sam. ----then there are the other
taxes. the SS I get now reflects a part of a lifetime of tax paying. The sidewalk upon which I walk-----reflect the taxes we all pay (or not----maybe) The study of economics is dull and meaningless----ASK AOC She sees economics as LARGE PILES OF CASH owned by the king who must throw the gold coins to the teeming multitudes from his galloping white mercedes-----so all can buy designer sneakers
and be debt and tax free. She is very popular. So was GOOD KING WENCESLAS (as a kid I could play that one on the piano)

Interest? We are in debt to the tune of $25 Trillion +/-....There's no interest.....lol

your grasp of the science of economics is even more limited than is that of AOC-----of course there is interest-------BALANCE SHEETS (in the Billions) can be generated. AOC has the answer ----simply cancel the
debt-------she graduated magna cum laude

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Tax or income tax? There is a big difference between the two. Nearly half of our adults in this country pay no actual income tax. Payroll tax, property tax, state, city or county tax, yes. But income tax is not any of those things.

Actually, look at the tax tables... the government gets money out of you no matter how little you make.

Point is, everyone is paying in, but if the government gives you money, IT'S WELFARE.

You are on welfare. Which I'm fine with, the idea that we should let people starve if they are no longer useful to the One Percent is kind of stupid.

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Actually, me now being on disability is not fine with you. That's why you constantly bring it up. I applied seven months ago, and it's been almost non-stop ranting from you like a child since. The only joy I get from it is knowing it's keeping you up every night.

How do I know it's keeping you up at night? Because you have a severe case of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and it's ruining your life, but you don't even know it. Well, you do know it because I've explained it to you for the past couple of years. You ignore my advice on seeking help. If you took my advice, not only would my situation not bother you, you probably would have forgotten about it by now and moved on to better things.

In your usual failed attempts to make me feel guilty about disability, you equate me to others who are young, healthy, don't want to work, and move to the suburbs on my dime. Yes, my dime because I am still paying taxes.

To a leftist (or at least with you) sucking off the taxpayers most, if not all of your life is the exact same as working all your life and running into a problem at an older age that you have no control over, and then using a system you paid into your entire life to partially compensate your losses.

 

[JoeB131]

o, keep the way of the jungle to yourself. ----
The rest of us are TOUCHED WITH THE DIVINE ----

you're touched with something, all right, but isn't divine

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, me now being on disability is not fine with you. That's why you constantly bring it up. I applied seven months ago, and it's been almost non-stop ranting from you like a child since. The only joy I get from it is knowing it's keeping you up every night.

How do I know it's keeping you up at night? Because you have a severe case of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)

Naw, man, I just find you an easy fucking target because you are poor dumb white trash who doesn't realize who's fucking him.

Sadly, you had the potential to be more, but you never took it.

In your usual failed attempts to make me feel guilty about disability, you equate me to others who are young, healthy, don't want to work, and move to the suburbs on my dime. Yes, my dime because I am still paying taxes.

So are they. The difference is the game was weighted against them the minute they were born black, but you'd have all the advantages of being white... and still failed.

To a leftist (or at least with you) sucking off the taxpayers most, if not all of your life is the exact same as working all your life and running into a problem at an older age that you have no control over, and then using a system you paid into your entire life to partially compensate your losses.

Actually, most people on assistance are only on it for a few years... The difference is you make a distinction between the pittance we give the poor and huge benefits we give the White Middle Class - Social Security, Medicare,

You aren't better. You both live off the generosity of others. Generosity that would end if the people you support ever got their way.