We should be clear about the reason for the necessity of Israel's attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

[Frankeneinstein]

How is he doing that exactly?

It's a question not a statement, [you can tell by the punctuation] if your question is more than just cover for the truth then you would want to ask him about it...so/but in pretending you asked me a serious question he is/was crediting trump with the reason why Iran's nuclear sites were destroyed by Isreal, so credit where credit is due...is that clear now?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

All relevant facilities as identified by inspectors were inspected.

Iran balked at opening ALL military facilities to inspection

Under Trump…We got NO INSPECTIONS AT ALL

Except they had to warn Iran before inspections and it took a long time before the Iranians allowed them on to the site. ******* worthless.

The final agreement announced on July 14, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), does contain significant enhancements to the International Atomic Energy Agency’s (IAEA) current ability to monitor Iran’s nuclear facilities. The deal, President Obama told the nation, “is not built on trust, it is built on verification.” Yet, one critical provision of the JCPOA puts unexpected limitations on inspectors’ access to certain facilities by requiring them to notify Iran first if they suspect a site might be being used for illicit nuclear activity and then undergoing a long process in order to gain entry to that site. This obstacle to inspections is worrying for several reasons:

Iran Deal Limits Inspectors’ Access to Suspicious Sites | Bipartisan Policy Center

The merits of the final deal's verification measures have to be judged on the basis of the authority it gives inspectors to access potential…

bipartisanpolicy.org

 

[sartre play]

Should we ever elect leaders around the world that have Any honesty or humility, Would be nice.
Power corrupts,
2 much power corrupts absolutely.

 

[rightwinger]

Except they had to warn Iran before inspections and it took a long time before the Iranians allowed them on to the site. ******* worthless.

The final agreement announced on July 14, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), does contain significant enhancements to the International Atomic Energy Agency’s (IAEA) current ability to monitor Iran’s nuclear facilities. The deal, President Obama told the nation, “is not built on trust, it is built on verification.” Yet, one critical provision of the JCPOA puts unexpected limitations on inspectors’ access to certain facilities by requiring them to notify Iran first if they suspect a site might be being used for illicit nuclear activity and then undergoing a long process in order to gain entry to that site. This obstacle to inspections is worrying for several reasons:

Iran Deal Limits Inspectors’ Access to Suspicious Sites | Bipartisan Policy Center

The merits of the final deal's verification measures have to be judged on the basis of the authority it gives inspectors to access potential…

bipartisanpolicy.org

And Trump had ZERO Inspections

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

And Trump had ZERO Inspections

And having to give Iran warning of inspections and the time it took to start inspections effectively made it zero inspections or what sane people would call a total waste of ******* time.

 

[rightwinger]

And having to give Iran warning of inspections and the time it took to start inspections effectively made it zero inspections or what sane people would call a total waste of ******* time.

You don’t understand nuclear inspections.
Not easy to just move shit around.

And it is not just the nuclear material but the paperwork, requisitions, contracts, inspections.

Again, Trump replaced actual inspections with NOTHING

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

You don’t understand nuclear inspections.
Not easy to just move shit around.

And it is not just the nuclear material but the paperwork, requisitions, contracts, inspections.

Again, Trump replaced actual inspections with NOTHING

If you get warnings and a long process before an actual inspection begin you can move anything. You are a trusting idiot and your only argument is because Trump

 

[krichton]

Obama's deal was utter trash and funded terrorism and their military and nuclear ambitions.

You will be surprised what a little prodding(and bombing) will do. They will negotiate because they must. What choice do they really have? They cannot have a nuke. Period, end of story. Why would we agree to give them a bunch of concessions when we can simply take out their nuclear sites as needed? Remember, they are still a terrorist state. Giving them money, or the ability for them to make more money, in exchange for compliance is stupid.

Peace through strength sometimes requires exercising the strength.

So what you're suggesting is we should go to war with Iran, brilliant. I thought Trump was the no new wars president. I thought Maga was against going to war. Now you're 100% all for war in the middle again when Trump is president. This is why yall can't be taken seriously. You're just a cult. The ONLY reason why Iran is racing ahead with their nuclear program is that they have zero incentive not to do it without any agreement in place to lift sanctions for compliance. But more importantly, Iran has no reason to trust a slimy individual like Trump, who breaks deals even with his friends and allies right after he signs an agreement he made up!

 

[krichton]

You cannot build a nuclear mining and enrichment plant in secret.

Iran didn't have any secret enrichment facilities? Ever? Are you sure?

All secret nuclear facilities were discovered way before the 2015 nuclear deal even took place.

Right away? When they were built? Or years later?

But more importantly, you have not provided a single motive for why Iran would want to develop a bomb right after signing the deal from 2015 to 2018.

Because they want to destroy the US and Israel.

They did, and they were all discovered eventually but not right away. Still, Iran never got to the point that they began enriching Uranium but the facilities were built. But with actual inspectors from the IAEA and Iran under intense scrutiny how would this ever happen today? What incentive would Iran have for getting caught doing this, and thus violating the JCPOA? And please don't give me another canned answer like they want to destroy the US, that was silly.

Destroy how? Launching missiles at us? What would happen after that exactly? If Iran was that hell bent and suicidal they would have told Obama to screw off while they continued with their nuclear program. Iran doesn't need have sanctions lifted on their country in order to build a bomb. Their intent was to do so even before the JCPOA when they were being crushed by sanctions. Even after Trump ripped up the agreement they still negotiated to get back in it. But making agreements with a scummy and underhanded individual like Trump isn't easy.

 

[krichton]

If you get warnings and a long process before an actual inspection begin you can move anything. You are a trusting idiot and your only argument is because Trump

The longest advance notice the IAEA gives Iran is 24 hours, but they are allowed to make unannounced inspections as well under the JCPOA agreement. Where do you get your information from?

You cannot hide radiation detection, which leaves distinct markers once there has been an enrichment of uranium. You cannot hide using massive amounts of electricity and heat needed to enrich uranium to a weapons grade material. All of this can be detected and has been.

 

[krichton]

It's a question not a statement, [you can tell by the punctuation] if your question is more than just cover for the truth then you would want to ask him about it...so/but in pretending you asked me a serious question he is/was crediting trump with the reason why Iran's nuclear sites were destroyed by Isreal, so credit where credit is due...is that clear now?

Nope, you have a reading comprehension problem. He's not "crediting" Trump but rather accusing him of escalating the conflict between Iran and Israel.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They did, and they were all discovered eventually but not right away. Still, Iran never got to the point that they began enriching Uranium but the facilities were built. But with actual inspectors from the IAEA and Iran under intense scrutiny how would this ever happen today? What incentive would Iran have for getting caught doing this, and thus violating the JCPOA? And please don't give me another canned answer like they want to destroy the US, that was silly.

Destroy how? Launching missiles at us? What would happen after that exactly? If Iran was that hell bent and suicidal they would have told Obama to screw off while they continued with their nuclear program. Iran doesn't need have sanctions lifted on their country in order to build a bomb. Their intent was to do so even before the JCPOA when they were being crushed by sanctions. Even after Trump ripped up the agreement they still negotiated to get back in it. But making agreements with a scummy and underhanded individual like Trump isn't easy.

They did, and they were all discovered eventually but not right away.

They kept some secret. So, they lied.
Some were later discovered?
How do you know all of them were discovered?
What about the sites they didn't allow inspectors to see?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They did, and they were all discovered eventually but not right away. Still, Iran never got to the point that they began enriching Uranium but the facilities were built. But with actual inspectors from the IAEA and Iran under intense scrutiny how would this ever happen today? What incentive would Iran have for getting caught doing this, and thus violating the JCPOA? And please don't give me another canned answer like they want to destroy the US, that was silly.

Destroy how? Launching missiles at us? What would happen after that exactly? If Iran was that hell bent and suicidal they would have told Obama to screw off while they continued with their nuclear program. Iran doesn't need have sanctions lifted on their country in order to build a bomb. Their intent was to do so even before the JCPOA when they were being crushed by sanctions. Even after Trump ripped up the agreement they still negotiated to get back in it. But making agreements with a scummy and underhanded individual like Trump isn't easy.

Destroy how? Launching missiles at us?

Or shipping a weapon into a US harbor.

What would happen after that exactly?

The same thing that happened to Gaza. We'd fight back, the leftists would whine and say we deserved it.

If Iran was that hell bent and suicidal they would have told Obama to screw off while they continued with their nuclear program.

Or they could lie to Obama to get billions of dollars and secretly continue with their nuclear programs.
But Muslims would never lie to infidels while building up their weapons, right?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The longest advance notice the IAEA gives Iran is 24 hours, but they are allowed to make unannounced inspections as well under the JCPOA agreement. Where do you get your information from?

You cannot hide radiation detection, which leaves distinct markers once there has been an enrichment of uranium. You cannot hide using massive amounts of electricity and heat needed to enrich uranium to a weapons grade material. All of this can be detected and has been.

You cannot hide radiation detection, which leaves distinct markers once there has been an enrichment of uranium.

What if your secret facility was under a mountain?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Nope, you have a reading comprehension problem.

I think all the punctuation may be throwing you off.

He's not "crediting" Trump but rather accusing him of escalating the conflict between Iran and Israel.

You don't say? that is so unlike him...
semantics, it's the accusation itself that is crediting trump with, now if he were rooting for Iran he wouldn't be crediting trump, he would be blaming him...see how that works?

 

[krichton]

Destroy how? Launching missiles at us?

Or shipping a weapon into a US harbor.

What would happen after that exactly?

The same thing that happened to Gaza. We'd fight back, the leftists would whine and say we deserved it.

If Iran was that hell bent and suicidal they would have told Obama to screw off while they continued with their nuclear program.

Or they could lie to Obama to get billions of dollars and secretly continue with their nuclear programs.
But Muslims would never lie to infidels while building up their weapons, right?

Which novel or movie did you get this scenario from because I would love to read it.

Correct, Iran knows we would come back and level their country at any and all costs. So where exactly is the benefit? Tell me. The same reason why Putin wouldn't even use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine is the same reason why Iran wouldn't use one. It's the same reason why Kim hasn't used one on South Korea or against a US target. This isn't even a serious position you're attempting to take.

I just got done telling you how this would not be possible with the IAEA watching Iran.

They can lie to Obama all they want. They can't lie to the IAEA. Do you see how the longer you drag out a conversation the more ridiculous your points become?

 

[krichton]

You cannot hide radiation detection, which leaves distinct markers once there has been an enrichment of uranium.

What if your secret facility was under a mountain?

Doesn't matter.

 

[Kondor3]

...Long story short, trump's petulance in tearing up a long negotiated, multi-nation agreement with Iran and subsequent failure to reach a new one is what caused Israel's destruction of Iran's nuclear development capabilities. Heightening already tense relations between Israel and Iran.

Not to worry.

The Godless, soul-less Iranian Theocracy routinely lies and cannot be trusted to honor such agreements anyway.

The Israeli attack upon Iranian nuclear capabilities is tantamount to doing The World a HUGE favor.

 

[krichton]

yep dummy, I said you were stupid, you are right

I guess this is what happens when you can no longer justify glazing your idol. LOL

 

[airplanemechanic]

Trump didn't abandon anything.

Netanyahu ignored Trump's pleas to let the diplomatic process play out. Netanyahu felt that the time had come to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions once and for all.

This thread is blatantly dishonest.

Trump gave Iran 60 days. The first bomb fell on the 61st.