We should be clear about the reason for the necessity of Israel's attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

[Delldude]

The deal was literally DOA at this point.

And why was that?

 

[Rigby5]

They weren't abiding by the existing one.

You missed the boat.....Iran had been ignoring the treaty for quite some time. As I said before, they were jerking around the IAEA inspectors almost from day one.

Wrong.
Iran was abiding by the treaty.
Their economy was more important than a nuclear deterrent, so they put enrichment on hold.
It was Trump who forced them to start up their enrichment program again, by illegally imposing economic sanctions on Iraqi civilian commerce.

 

[Rigby5]

You're terribly mistaken here...... Trump representing the US, withdrew from the treaty...... the treaty remained in place, without US participation.

So why didn't the other signatories to the treaty object to Iran vamping up enriching capabilities?

The other countries did not mind Iran restarting enrichment because Trump had violated international law by imposing illegal economic sanctions on civilian Iranian commerce.

 

[Rigby5]

And why was that?

Because it was illegal for Trump to illegally impose economic sanctions on civilian Iranian commerce.

 

[Rigby5]

that Obama's carrot didn't work doesn't mean Trump's stick won't....~S~

Obama's carrot worked perfectly.
Trump's stick can't work because it is illegal and therefore makes Iran having a nuclear deterrent more necessary and more justified.

 

[sparky]

Obama's carrot worked perfectly.
Trump's stick can't work because it is illegal and therefore makes Iran having a nuclear deterrent more necessary and more justified.

interesting response Rigby

Obama, et all Dems, paid off terrorists

But Trumps approach is illegal in forgoing such ado

perhaps some enlightenment would be apropos ???? ........~S~

 

[krichton]

And why was that?

So did you skip my whole response and just read the last sentence??

 

[rightwinger]

interesting response Rigby

Obama, et all Dems, paid off terrorists

But Trumps approach is illegal in forgoing such ado

perhaps some enlightenment would be apropos ???? ........~S~

WE didn’t pay them a cent

 

[sparky]

WE didn’t pay them a cent

5 Times the Obama Admin Insisted Cash Was the Only Way to Pay Iran - Committee on Foreign Affairs

As details of the administration’s $1.7 billion cash payment to Iran began to leak last month, the administration argued – from President Obama on down – that there was simply no other way to pay Iran. “We couldn't send them a check and we could not wire the money,” the president said on August 4.

foreignaffairs.house.gov

~S~

 

[rightwinger]

5 Times the Obama Admin Insisted Cash Was the Only Way to Pay Iran - Committee on Foreign Affairs

As details of the administration’s $1.7 billion cash payment to Iran began to leak last month, the administration argued – from President Obama on down – that there was simply no other way to pay Iran. “We couldn't send them a check and we could not wire the money,” the president said on August 4.

foreignaffairs.house.gov

~S~

Returning their own money

WE did not pay them a cent

 

[sparky]

Returning their own money

WE did not pay them a cent

This Congress, Republicans introduced H.R. 260 – No Tax Dollars for Terrorist Act which builds upon H.R. 6586 to ensure no U.S. taxpayer dollars end up in the hands of the Taliban. The bill advanced to the House floor during the House Foreign Affairs Committee's first full committee markup of the 119th Congress.3 days ago

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/260

~S~

 

[Delldude]

Returning their own money

WE did not pay them a cent

For hostages.

 

[berg80]

Wrong.
Iran was abiding by the treaty.
Their economy was more important than a nuclear deterrent, so they put enrichment on hold.
It was Trump who forced them to start up their enrichment program again, by illegally imposing economic sanctions on Iraqi civilian commerce.

With so much more riding on that fact in light of trump's attack on Iran The Following will never accept the truth.

 

[Delldude]

Iran was abiding by the treaty.

Bullshit.

Israel snatched a load of classified doc's that were removed from IAEA access areas shortly after the JCPOA was agreed to. The doc's revealed Iran had been lying all along, including through the negotiations. The goal was to show Iran had, was and is continuing to lie.

These doc's were instrumental in convincing Trump to withdraw from the JCPOA.

Journalists from the New York Times and other U.S. outlets and inspectors from the IAEA confirmed that the documents demonstrated Iran had previously worked to develop nuclear weapons, despite the country's insistence that its nuclear program was only for civilian purposes. British and American officials confirmed the authenticity of the trove.The documents also documented then-Iranian President Hassan Rouhani's membership of a Council for Advanced Technologies that approved the program and indicated that the IRGC and Quds Force played supporting roles.

The U.S. had previously known of Iran's nuclear weapons research before 2004, and the documents contained no revelations about recent nuclear activity. According to journalist Yonah Jeremy Bob and nuclear expert Jeffrey Lewis, much of the key contents were already reported in past IAEA reports. However, the trove provided more clarity about Iran's specific goals for its arsenal, and it proved that Iran violated the JCPOA, which prohibited Iran from engaging in any research and development activity and required full disclosure of all of Iran's nuclear program, including documentation.
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Mossad subsequently provided the entirety of the trove to visiting intelligence officials from Germany, France, and the United Kingdom. Netanyahu also spoke with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, British Prime Minister Theresa May, Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Emmanuel Macron, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel about the contents of the nuclear archive

Days after Netanyahu's presentation of the documents, Trump withdrew the U.S. from the JCPOA,which was the ultimate objective of the operation.

Israeli infiltration of an Iranian nuclear archive - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is the conversion site that was taken out during the recent activities, note it was previously destroyed per agreement then clandestinely rebuilt to look like a farm.

The Amad Plan Pilot Uranium Conversion Site, Which Iran Denies Ever Existed

The Amad Plan Pilot Uranium Conversion Site, Which Iran Denies Ever Existed | ISIS Reports | Institute For Science And International Security

isis-online.org

Obama deceived Congress and the American people:


When it comes to the Iran nuclear deal, the Obama administration increasingly appears to have been a bottomless pit of deception.

First, President Barack Obama failed to disclose to Congress the existence of secret side deals on inspections when he transmitted the nuclear accord to Capitol Hill. (They were only uncovered by chance when then-Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) learned about them during a meeting with International Atomic Energy Agency officials in Vienna.) Then, we learned that the Obama administration had secretly sent a plane to Tehran loaded with $400 million in Swiss francs, euros and other currencies on the same day Iran released four American hostages, which was followed by two more secret flights carrying another $1.3 billion in cash.

Now, in a bombshell revelation, Republicans on the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, led by Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), have revealed in a new report that the Obama administration secretly tried to help Iran use US banks to convert $5.7 billion in Iranian assets, after promising Congress that Iran would not get access to the US financial system — and then lied to Congress about what it had done.
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But Senate investigators found that on Feb. 24, 2016, the Obama Treasury Department “granted a specific license that authorized a conversion of Iranian assets worth billions of US dollars using the US financial system” — exactly what Lew and Szubin said would not happen — including unlimited future Iranian deposits at Bank Muscat in Oman until the license expired.
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In other words, the Obama administration: (1) told Congress it would not allow Iran access to US financial institutions; (2) issued a special license allowing Iran to do exactly that; (3) unsuccessfully pressured US banks to help Iran; (4) lied to Congress and the American people about what it had done; (5) admitted in internal emails that these efforts “exceeded” US obligations under the nuclear deal; (6) sent officials, including bank regulators, around the world to urge foreign financial institutions to do business with Iran; and (7) promised that they would get nothing more than a slap on the wrist for violating US sanctions.

How bad is this? Remove the words “Obama” and “Iran” and replace them with “Trump” and “Russia” and imagine the outrage that would ensue over the same revelations. Democrats would be holding news conferences, and the story would be front-page news.

We hear a lot these days from the media about the danger of presidential lies. Well, when it comes to the Iran deal, the Obama administration took lying to new heights. And no, that’s not Fake News.

Obama Took Lying to New Heights with the Iran Deal

When it comes to the Iran nuclear deal, the Obama administration increasingly appears to have been a bottomless pit of deception.

www.aei.org

 

[Redfish]

Obama's carrot worked perfectly.
Trump's stick can't work because it is illegal and therefore makes Iran having a nuclear deterrent more necessary and more justified.

there is no international body of law that makes any international action of a country illegal. you are a victim of dem/lib lies and propaganda