We overreacted

[AzogtheDefiler]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

ZERO to do with Trump. I think a 30 day shutdown is actually fine but its time to open up the economy.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

Why do you bring everything back to "Trump"? It is such weak sauce.

 

[DrLove]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

Why do you bring everything back to "Trump"? It is such weak sauce.

Seems like you should be posting more nonsense about how Doc Fauci is a Deep State hack or something. No?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

Why do you bring everything back to "Trump"? It is such weak sauce.

Seems like you should be posting more nonsense about how Doc Fauci is a Deep State hack or something. No?

Not deep state but I don't think testing helps here. It would be like testing for a common cold. I think we just need to ride this out. Think about it, I get tested today and I am negative and tomorrow I am suddenly positive. So the test today was useless. Key is herd immunity. And Antibody testing has been flawed. Don't make this political please just speak logically.

 

[DrLove]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

Why do you bring everything back to "Trump"? It is such weak sauce.

Seems like you should be posting more nonsense about how Doc Fauci is a Deep State hack or something. No?

Not deep state but I don't think testing helps here. It would be like testing for a common cold. I think we just need to ride this out. Think about it, I get tested today and I am negative and tomorrow I am suddenly positive. So the test today was useless. Key is herd immunity. And Antibody testing has been flawed. Don't make this political please just speak logically.

Herd Immunity in this situation is NOT an option.

Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic

It's hard to predict things in a pandemic.

www.sciencealert.com

 

[2aguy]

We knew and said from day 1 that liberals would cheer the lockdown as an overwhelming success. It’s a fake win win because there is no comparison nor contrast to be able to compare or refute.
Very very weak sauce on your self fullfilling congratulatory prophecy.

Earlier, without mitigation, the number of infected doubled about every three days.

These days, with mitigation given some time, the doubling time grew to about two weeks, and is still growing.

Since nothing else of any import changed, social distancing, stay at home, and a partial lockdown cut the infection rate to about 20% of its former size.

That's not prophecy, that's data. Small wonder, you stayed as far clear as you possibly could.

Sorry.......there is a researcher out there who just followed the actual data....and the virus, shut down or no shutdown followed the same path........

The lockdown did nothing........there wasn't time for it to have an effect considering we are now learning the virus was all throughout the U.S. before we even thought about the lockdown...

Top Israeli prof claims simple stats show virus plays itself out after 70 days

Isaac Ben-Israel, who is not a medical expert, says analysis worldwide shows new cases peaking after about 40 days, slams economic closures; leading doctor dismisses his claims

www.timesofisrael.com

A prominent Israeli mathematician, analyst and former general claims simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

Why do you bring everything back to "Trump"? It is such weak sauce.

Seems like you should be posting more nonsense about how Doc Fauci is a Deep State hack or something. No?

Not deep state but I don't think testing helps here. It would be like testing for a common cold. I think we just need to ride this out. Think about it, I get tested today and I am negative and tomorrow I am suddenly positive. So the test today was useless. Key is herd immunity. And Antibody testing has been flawed. Don't make this political please just speak logically.

Herd Immunity in this situation is NOT an option.

Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic

It's hard to predict things in a pandemic.

www.sciencealert.com

Do not post biased articles think about it on your own. We will all get this virus. That in my opinion is a done deal. We have flattened the bell curve but we will all get it unless you want to stay quarantined for 2 years

 

[colfax_m]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

ZERO to do with Trump. I think a 30 day shutdown is actually fine but its time to open up the economy.

It is a trait that is extremely common in Trump supporters, especially yourself. In fact, I think it’s practically necessary to support him. One has a far more difficult time supporting Trump after actually listening to him as opposed to merely hearing what they want to hear.

Regardless, it is a big problem in this country.

 

[colfax_m]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

Why do you bring everything back to "Trump"? It is such weak sauce.

Because he is at the forefront of changes that affected this nation in a fundamental way. It’s nearly impossible to have discussions until this hurdle is overcome.

Anyway; the briefing you’re referencing. Was Trump at it?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

ZERO to do with Trump. I think a 30 day shutdown is actually fine but its time to open up the economy.

It is a trait that is extremely common in Trump supporters, especially yourself. In fact, I think it’s practically necessary to support him. One has a far more difficult time supporting Trump after actually listening to him as opposed to merely hearing what they want to hear.

Regardless, it is a big problem in this country.

Happy to compare resumes in terms of education and professional experience. My thoughts are my own. It is the Leftists like yourself who want to silence those with disparate points of view, who are ruining this country. Before you throw daggers look in the mirror and then don’t be shocked when a retaliation happens.

 

[colfax_m]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

ZERO to do with Trump. I think a 30 day shutdown is actually fine but its time to open up the economy.

It is a trait that is extremely common in Trump supporters, especially yourself. In fact, I think it’s practically necessary to support him. One has a far more difficult time supporting Trump after actually listening to him as opposed to merely hearing what they want to hear.

Regardless, it is a big problem in this country.

Happy to compare resumes in terms of education and professional experience. My thoughts are my own. It is the Leftists like yourself who want to silence those with disparate points of view, who are ruining this country. Before you throw daggers look in the mirror and then don’t be shocked when a retaliation happens.

Last time I shared my qualifications, I was called a liar by you. But go ahead and pretend you’re the victim.

I’ve not silenced anyone. I only question your comprehension based on previous experience.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

"The coronavirus is just the flu."

I ran the numbers for a few more states. I looked up the number of deaths from the flu by state over several years.

On average, there have been about about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu. New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.

Louisiana has averaged about 790 deaths per year from the flu. Louisiana had about 790 deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.

New Jersey has averaged about 1,330 deaths per year from the flu. They've had 1,600 deaths in the last 5 days!!!

Michigan has averaged 1bout 1,820 deaths per year from the flu. They have had about 1,820 deaths from covid-19 in the last 16 days.

You need to provide links.
So far my research compares 60,000 flu deaths nationally to a current 35,000 Wuhan deaths. Wuhan appears to be more intense than flu in specific hotspots but NY deaths are not any more special than deaths in Arkansas. That’s my feeling.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

ZERO to do with Trump. I think a 30 day shutdown is actually fine but its time to open up the economy.

It is a trait that is extremely common in Trump supporters, especially yourself. In fact, I think it’s practically necessary to support him. One has a far more difficult time supporting Trump after actually listening to him as opposed to merely hearing what they want to hear.

Regardless, it is a big problem in this country.

Happy to compare resumes in terms of education and professional experience. My thoughts are my own. It is the Leftists like yourself who want to silence those with disparate points of view, who are ruining this country. Before you throw daggers look in the mirror and then don’t be shocked when a retaliation happens.

Last time I shared my qualifications, I was called a liar by you. But go ahead and pretend you’re the victim.

I’ve not silenced anyone. I only question your comprehension based on previous experience.

Hardly a victim. You never shared qualifications. You put me on ignore and sulked. Don’t ever question me. I do what is best for me and for my family. I have explained to you countless times that Trump is the effect not the cause. Trump is necessary to put all you social justice warriors in your place. The Leftist culture of shaming those with opposite views has gone too far and now you see the result. People like you voted Trump in not people like me. I do what is best for me and my family. Period. End of story.

 

[XponentialChaos]

"The coronavirus is just the flu."

I ran the numbers for a few more states. I looked up the number of deaths from the flu by state over several years.

On average, there have been about about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu. New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.

Louisiana has averaged about 790 deaths per year from the flu. Louisiana had about 790 deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.

New Jersey has averaged about 1,330 deaths per year from the flu. They've had 1,600 deaths in the last 5 days!!!

Michigan has averaged 1bout 1,820 deaths per year from the flu. They have had about 1,820 deaths from covid-19 in the last 16 days.

You need to provide links.
So far my research compares 60,000 flu deaths nationally to a current 35,000 Wuhan deaths. Wuhan appears to be more intense than flu in specific hotspots but NY deaths are not any more special than deaths in Arkansas. That’s my feeling.

I provided links earlier. Here you go.

Stats of the States - Influenza/Pneumonia Mortality

www.cdc.gov

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

If the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week, we could say that they're pretty similar. But they're not. Not even close. Arkansas hasn't had as large of an outbreak as New York, and it would be best if it stayed that way, because it's not the fucking flu.

 

[colfax_m]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

ZERO to do with Trump. I think a 30 day shutdown is actually fine but its time to open up the economy.

It is a trait that is extremely common in Trump supporters, especially yourself. In fact, I think it’s practically necessary to support him. One has a far more difficult time supporting Trump after actually listening to him as opposed to merely hearing what they want to hear.

Regardless, it is a big problem in this country.

Happy to compare resumes in terms of education and professional experience. My thoughts are my own. It is the Leftists like yourself who want to silence those with disparate points of view, who are ruining this country. Before you throw daggers look in the mirror and then don’t be shocked when a retaliation happens.

Last time I shared my qualifications, I was called a liar by you. But go ahead and pretend you’re the victim.

I’ve not silenced anyone. I only question your comprehension based on previous experience.

Hardly a victim. You never shared qualifications. You put me on ignore and sulked. Don’t ever question me. I do what is best for me and for my family. I have explained to you countless times that Trump is the effect not the cause. Trump is necessary to put all you social justice warriors in your place. The Leftist culture of shaming those with opposite views has gone too far and now you see the result. People like you voted Trump in not people like me. I do what is best for me and my family. Period. End of story.

You are easily triggered and when you’re emotional, you forget things you’ve said.

“I do what’s best for me” is the selfish attitude that is going to result in many thousands of deaths that are otherwise avoidable.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

ZERO to do with Trump. I think a 30 day shutdown is actually fine but its time to open up the economy.

It is a trait that is extremely common in Trump supporters, especially yourself. In fact, I think it’s practically necessary to support him. One has a far more difficult time supporting Trump after actually listening to him as opposed to merely hearing what they want to hear.

Regardless, it is a big problem in this country.

Happy to compare resumes in terms of education and professional experience. My thoughts are my own. It is the Leftists like yourself who want to silence those with disparate points of view, who are ruining this country. Before you throw daggers look in the mirror and then don’t be shocked when a retaliation happens.

Last time I shared my qualifications, I was called a liar by you. But go ahead and pretend you’re the victim.

I’ve not silenced anyone. I only question your comprehension based on previous experience.

Hardly a victim. You never shared qualifications. You put me on ignore and sulked. Don’t ever question me. I do what is best for me and for my family. I have explained to you countless times that Trump is the effect not the cause. Trump is necessary to put all you social justice warriors in your place. The Leftist culture of shaming those with opposite views has gone too far and now you see the result. People like you voted Trump in not people like me. I do what is best for me and my family. Period. End of story.

You are easily triggered and when you’re emotional, you forget things you’ve said.

“I do what’s best for me” is the selfish attitude that is going to result in many thousands of deaths that are otherwise avoidable.

Never said I was not selfish. Very selfish. Pure Darwinist Capitalist. You put me on ignore and never shared any qualifications. How am I triggered? Am I swearing? Explain

 

[colfax_m]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

ZERO to do with Trump. I think a 30 day shutdown is actually fine but its time to open up the economy.

It is a trait that is extremely common in Trump supporters, especially yourself. In fact, I think it’s practically necessary to support him. One has a far more difficult time supporting Trump after actually listening to him as opposed to merely hearing what they want to hear.

Regardless, it is a big problem in this country.

Happy to compare resumes in terms of education and professional experience. My thoughts are my own. It is the Leftists like yourself who want to silence those with disparate points of view, who are ruining this country. Before you throw daggers look in the mirror and then don’t be shocked when a retaliation happens.

Last time I shared my qualifications, I was called a liar by you. But go ahead and pretend you’re the victim.

I’ve not silenced anyone. I only question your comprehension based on previous experience.

Hardly a victim. You never shared qualifications. You put me on ignore and sulked. Don’t ever question me. I do what is best for me and for my family. I have explained to you countless times that Trump is the effect not the cause. Trump is necessary to put all you social justice warriors in your place. The Leftist culture of shaming those with opposite views has gone too far and now you see the result. People like you voted Trump in not people like me. I do what is best for me and my family. Period. End of story.

You are easily triggered and when you’re emotional, you forget things you’ve said.

“I do what’s best for me” is the selfish attitude that is going to result in many thousands of deaths that are otherwise avoidable.

Never said I was not selfish. Very selfish. Pure Darwinist Capitalist. You put me on ignore and never shared any qualifications. How am I triggered? Am I swearing? Explain

You’re childish rage gives it away. Blaming everyone for everything (apparently I forced you to vote for Trump). What did you say when I said I have an MD?

How many people have to die for your selfishness? Not everyone is as fortunate as you.

 

[initforme]

Gloves and masks need to be a requirement. I think a law should be created that all employees in an area with at least 3 should be wearing both. It costs a business nothing to buy them

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

"The coronavirus is just the flu."

I ran the numbers for a few more states. I looked up the number of deaths from the flu by state over several years.

On average, there have been about about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu. New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.

Louisiana has averaged about 790 deaths per year from the flu. Louisiana had about 790 deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.

New Jersey has averaged about 1,330 deaths per year from the flu. They've had 1,600 deaths in the last 5 days!!!

Michigan has averaged 1bout 1,820 deaths per year from the flu. They have had about 1,820 deaths from covid-19 in the last 16 days.

You need to provide links.
So far my research compares 60,000 flu deaths nationally to a current 35,000 Wuhan deaths. Wuhan appears to be more intense than flu in specific hotspots but NY deaths are not any more special than deaths in Arkansas. That’s my feeling.

I provided links earlier. Here you go.

Stats of the States - Influenza/Pneumonia Mortality

www.cdc.gov

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

If the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week, we could say that they're pretty similar. But they're not. Not even close. Arkansas hasn't had as large of an outbreak as New York, and it would be best if it stayed that way, because it's not the fucking flu.

So you’re saying New Yorkers are more important than arkansans.
I gave you specific estimates. 35k currently on pace for 60k vs 60k.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?

Testing is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.

Testing is NOT irrelevant according to 99% of our doctors and scientists.

After listening to Fauci it is.

No my friend - NO

Far more Americans are placing their trust in what White House infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo are saying about the health crisis than what Donald Trump is saying, according to a new poll from NBC News/Wall Street Journal.​

​

Three out of every five Americans told pollsters they trust what Mr Fauci says about coronavirus, which has claimed the lives of at least 39,000 people in the US as of Sunday. Only 8 percent do not trust the public statements of Mr Fauci, a longtime White House pandemic adviser who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations.​

Americans trust Dr Fauci and Andrew Cuomo more than Trump about coronavirus, poll finds

While 36 percent of those surveyed said they trust what they president has been telling them about the health crisis, more than half, 52 percent, said they do not

www.independent.co.uk

I watched Fauci live. He said testing is futile for all intents and purposes. We would have to test everyone daily. That is nearly impossible. Herd immunity is the answer. I do Not need news articles. My own ears heard it and Birx basically confirmed it. Listen to yesterday’s press conference yourself.

It is my personal opinion that you have mischaracterized what the good doctor actually said.
And I shall pass on yesterday's clown show. The lowlights were enough.

There is often a big difference between what is said and what is heard among Trump supporters.

They hear what they want to hear. A lot.

ZERO to do with Trump. I think a 30 day shutdown is actually fine but its time to open up the economy.

It is a trait that is extremely common in Trump supporters, especially yourself. In fact, I think it’s practically necessary to support him. One has a far more difficult time supporting Trump after actually listening to him as opposed to merely hearing what they want to hear.

Regardless, it is a big problem in this country.

Happy to compare resumes in terms of education and professional experience. My thoughts are my own. It is the Leftists like yourself who want to silence those with disparate points of view, who are ruining this country. Before you throw daggers look in the mirror and then don’t be shocked when a retaliation happens.

Last time I shared my qualifications, I was called a liar by you. But go ahead and pretend you’re the victim.

I’ve not silenced anyone. I only question your comprehension based on previous experience.

Hardly a victim. You never shared qualifications. You put me on ignore and sulked. Don’t ever question me. I do what is best for me and for my family. I have explained to you countless times that Trump is the effect not the cause. Trump is necessary to put all you social justice warriors in your place. The Leftist culture of shaming those with opposite views has gone too far and now you see the result. People like you voted Trump in not people like me. I do what is best for me and my family. Period. End of story.

You are easily triggered and when you’re emotional, you forget things you’ve said.

“I do what’s best for me” is the selfish attitude that is going to result in many thousands of deaths that are otherwise avoidable.

Never said I was not selfish. Very selfish. Pure Darwinist Capitalist. You put me on ignore and never shared any qualifications. How am I triggered? Am I swearing? Explain

You’re childish rage gives it away. Blaming everyone for everything (apparently I forced you to vote for Trump). What did you say when I said I have an MD?

How many people have to die for your selfishness? Not everyone is as fortunate as you.

My vote was meaningless. I live in MA. Who has died? Name one. I make my own fortune. Son of immigrants who came here with nothing and didn’t speak the language. Don’t be such a snowflake.