We need to stop pretending that this issue is so difficult. It is obvious even to a young child.

[Shusha]

If it was stolen from the original owners...

You mean the Canaanites, got it.

So because Habiru tribes stole the land from the original owners, the Canaanites, it's OK for a European religious group to steal the land from native people who have lived there for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

That's Zionist mentality for you.

The Caananites and the Hebrews (Jewish people) are the same peoples. There is no cultural differentiation between them. Their language and material culture was the same and they inhabited the same territory.

The Hebrew peoples and the Jewish peoples are also the same peoples. Their culture developed over time in the territory they originally inhabited and was spread to other localities when their ancestral territory was invaded, conquered and cleansed. They retained their culture through thousands of years in the diaspora.

Now, you can argue that people have no right to return to an ancestral territory once they have been removed from it, but arguing that the Jewish people were never THERE is silly.

 

[louie888]

The Caananites and the Hebrews (Jewish people) are the same peoples. There is no cultural differentiation between them.

Liar.

What was the religion of the Canaanites?


Like other people of the Ancient Near East Canaanite religious beliefs were polytheistic, with families typically focusing on Veneration of the dead in the form of household gods and goddesses, the Elohim, while acknowledging the existence of other deities such as Baal and El, Asherah and Astarte.

--google

Back on topic!

You cannot tear down a crib and claim a room you lived in as a baby any more than you can tear down someone's house and claim the land that you believe your ancient ancestors lived on.

 

[Shusha]

The Caananites and the Hebrews (Jewish people) are the same peoples. There is no cultural differentiation between them.

Liar.

What was the religion of the Canaanites?


Like other people of the Ancient Near East Canaanite religious beliefs were polytheistic, with families typically focusing on Veneration of the dead in the form of household gods and goddesses, the Elohim, while acknowledging the existence of other deities such as Baal and El, Asherah and Astarte.

Hmmmmmm. Elohim. Where have I heard that name before? It seems somewhat familiar.

 

[louie888]

The Caananites and the Hebrews (Jewish people) are the same peoples. There is no cultural differentiation between them.

Liar.

What was the religion of the Canaanites?


Like other people of the Ancient Near East Canaanite religious beliefs were polytheistic, with families typically focusing on Veneration of the dead in the form of household gods and goddesses, the Elohim, while acknowledging the existence of other deities such as Baal and El, Asherah and Astarte.

Hmmmmmm. Elohim. Where have I heard that name before? It seems somewhat familiar.

You are impossible.

polytheistic ≠ monotheistic... period!

Back on topic!

You cannot tear down a crib and claim a room you lived in as a baby any more than you can tear down someone's house and claim the land that you believe your ancient ancestors lived on.

 

[Shusha]

You are impossible.

polytheistic ≠ monotheistic... period!

Sure. The monotheistic religion grew out of the same culture which was previously polytheistic. As you have demonstrated quite accurately and succinctly.

 

[louie888]

You are impossible.

polytheistic ≠ monotheistic... period!

Sure. The monotheistic religion grew out of the same culture which was previously polytheistic. As you have demonstrated quite accurately and succinctly.

Back on topic!

You cannot tear down a crib and claim a room you lived in as a baby any more than you can tear down someone's house and claim the land that you believe your ancient ancestors lived on.

True or false?

 

[Shusha]

On the other thread you are arguing that its just fine to steal someone's house. In fact, you argue that ownership is legally transferred when you steal someone's house.

So you tell me, it is okay to steal someone's house. true or false?

 

[louie888]

So you tell me, it is okay to steal someone's house. true or false?

Everyone on earth besides zionist fake jews know the answer. Sorry, but you'll just have to remain in the dark.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You always insist in Links from those who disagree with you.
You provide Links to those posts that back up what you just claimed.

You first. I've yet to see you provide any supporting evidence to anything you post.

...No empire would allow more than a certain quota of Jews into Israel for hundreds of years.

Care to provide a link supporting your assertion that there were any restrictions on Jewish migration within the various Arab, Egyptian and Turkish Empires between the 7th Century and the 19th Century CE?

To wit:

View attachment 144397

Ottoman Policy and Restrictions on Jewish Settlement in Palestine: 1881-1908: Part I on JSTOR

So, who said there was no Palestine during the Ottoman era?

 

[P F Tinmore]

If it was stolen from the original owners...

You mean the Canaanites, got it.

So because Habiru tribes stole the land from the original owners, the Canaanites, it's OK for a European religious group to steal the land from native people who have lived there for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

That's Zionist mentality for you.

The Caananites and the Hebrews (Jewish people) are the same peoples. There is no cultural differentiation between them. Their language and material culture was the same and they inhabited the same territory.

The Hebrew peoples and the Jewish peoples are also the same peoples. Their culture developed over time in the territory they originally inhabited and was spread to other localities when their ancestral territory was invaded, conquered and cleansed. They retained their culture through thousands of years in the diaspora.

Now, you can argue that people have no right to return to an ancestral territory once they have been removed from it, but arguing that the Jewish people were never THERE is silly.

OK, so is there any proof that the Zionist settlers had ancestors from the holy land?

 

[louie888]

OK, so is there any proof that the Zionist settlers had ancestors from the holy land?

NO! Absolutely not! Period.

 

[montelatici]

You always insist in Links from those who disagree with you.
You provide Links to those posts that back up what you just claimed.

You first. I've yet to see you provide any supporting evidence to anything you post.

...No empire would allow more than a certain quota of Jews into Israel for hundreds of years.

Care to provide a link supporting your assertion that there were any restrictions on Jewish migration within the various Arab, Egyptian and Turkish Empires between the 7th Century and the 19th Century CE?

To wit:

View attachment 144397

Ottoman Policy and Restrictions on Jewish Settlement in Palestine: 1881-1908: Part I on JSTOR

So, who said there was no Palestine during the Ottoman era?

The moronic Zionists who don't know history. The Ottomans, of course called Palestine, Arzi Filistin, in Turkish.

 

[Shusha]

OK, so is there any proof that the Zionist settlers had ancestors from the holy land?

You've GOT to be kidding me. They share the same culture. The same religion, customs, holidays, life event celebrations, a system of laws, language, foods, myths, stories, writings, etc, etc, etc. They are the same people.

 

[louie888]

You've GOT to be kidding me. They share the same culture. The same religion, customs, holidays, life event celebrations, a system of laws, language, foods, myths, stories, writings, etc, etc, etc. They are the same people.

Even if I give you that whole line, is there any proof that the Zionist settlers had ancestors from the holy land?

 

[P F Tinmore]

OK, so is there any proof that the Zionist settlers had ancestors from the holy land?

You've GOT to be kidding me. They share the same culture. The same religion, customs, holidays, life event celebrations, a system of laws, language, foods, myths, stories, writings, etc, etc, etc. They are the same people.

Deflection.

You always duck questions.

 

[Shusha]

You've GOT to be kidding me. They share the same culture. The same religion, customs, holidays, life event celebrations, a system of laws, language, foods, myths, stories, writings, etc, etc, etc. They are the same people.

Even if I give you that whole line, is there any proof that the Zionist settlers had ancestors from the holy land?

The fact that they have the same culture IS proof.

 

[Shusha]

OK, so is there any proof that the Zionist settlers had ancestors from the holy land?

You've GOT to be kidding me. They share the same culture. The same religion, customs, holidays, life event celebrations, a system of laws, language, foods, myths, stories, writings, etc, etc, etc. They are the same people.

Deflection.

You always duck questions.

The question was whether or not the Jewish people have ancestors from the holy land. I answered your question. They are demonstrably the same people. The culture proves they are the same people. There is no duck here. You just don't like the answer. So you reject it out of hand.

 

[louie888]

The fact that they have the same culture IS proof.

No, they picked up some Jewish traditions when they converted in the middle ages.

That in no way proves ancestry in Palestine.

 

[Shusha]

The fact that they have the same culture IS proof.

No, they picked up some Jewish traditions when they converted in the middle ages.

That in no way proves ancestry in Palestine.

How does one "pick up" the entirety of Jewish tradition, language, religion and culture without being exposed to people of that culture? Of course it proves ancestry in Israel, Judea and Samaria. Culture is passed from person to person, family to family.

 

[louie888]

The fact that they have the same culture IS proof.

No, they picked up some Jewish traditions when they converted in the middle ages.

That in no way proves ancestry in Palestine.

How does one "pick up" the entirety of Jewish tradition, language, religion and culture without being exposed to people of that culture? Of course it proves ancestry in Israel, Judea and Samaria. Culture is passed from person to person, family to family.

No, they picked up some Jewish traditions when they converted in the middle ages.

That in no way proves ancestry in Palestine.