We need to stop pretending that this issue is so difficult. It is obvious even to a young child.

[Challenger]

So much BS...so little time to correct. like all Hasbarists, you cherry pick facts to twist to your agenda.

So were Jews cleansed from their homeland?

No, native Judeans were never "cleansed", the only people slaughtered or sold into slavery were those religious fanatics (the ISIS of their day) who made war against Rome. Judeans who lived outside Judea/Syria Palestina in the Roman Empire, and those Judeans who were not involved in the war were left alone to live their lives as before.

Tell us whom did the Romans ban from Jerusalem?

Those same religious fanatics mentioned above. Normal Judeans/Palestinians could come and go as they pleased.

And forced conversion is not ethnic cleansing??

No. A religious group is not necessarily an ethnic one. Charlemagne's forced conversion of the Saxons to Christianity, did not "ethnically cleanse" Saxony.

Palestinian sources contradict Your daily propaganda.
Sheds a light on the identity of the Arabian tribes that demand Palestine free of Jews.

Well yes and no, I've skimmed through several village files in the site you mention and wheras some of the population allegedly came from outside Palestine, there's usually no indication of when this occured nor in what numbers. If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.

Unfortunately Zionists have created the strength of ill-will against Jewish people amongst many Palestinians today. Zionism's main premise is to create a "Jews-only" state by expusion and oppression so it's no surprise Zionists are universally detested by Muslims and many Christians and sadly this detestation spills over on to Jewish people in general.

 

[rylah]

So much BS...so little time to correct. like all Hasbarists, you cherry pick facts to twist to your agenda.

So were Jews cleansed from their homeland?

No, native Judeans were never "cleansed", the only people slaughtered or sold into slavery were those religious fanatics (the ISIS of their day) who made war against Rome. Judeans who lived outside Judea/Syria Palestina in the Roman Empire, and those Judeans who were not involved in the war were left alone to live their lives as before.

Tell us whom did the Romans ban from Jerusalem?

Those same religious fanatics mentioned above. Normal Judeans/Palestinians could come and go as they pleased.

And forced conversion is not ethnic cleansing??

No. A religious group is not necessarily an ethnic one. Charlemagne's forced conversion of the Saxons to Christianity, did not "ethnically cleanse" Saxony.

Palestinian sources contradict Your daily propaganda.
Sheds a light on the identity of the Arabian tribes that demand Palestine free of Jews.

Well yes and no, I've skimmed through several village files in the site you mention and wheras some of the population allegedly came from outside Palestine, there's usually no indication of when this occured nor in what numbers. If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.

Unfortunately Zionists have created the strength of ill-will against Jewish people amongst many Palestinians today. Zionism's main premise is to create a "Jews-only" state by expusion and oppression so it's no surprise Zionists are universally detested by Muslims and many Christians and sadly this detestation spills over on to Jewish people in general.

Too much say so coming from a Sand fan to take seriously.

Really Jews were not banned from Jerusalem?
Jews and Samaritans weren't massacared during all of the revolts?
Jews weren't forcefully converted?
Their homeland and capital weren't invaded, destroyed and renamed?
Jews didn't become a minority?

I'm sure Your revisionist sources sprinkle all over that.

 

[rylah]

Everyhing You claim Israelis do to Palestinian Arabs that is considered 'ethnic cleansing',
Jews suffered at the hand of the Romans and more.

The only thing different is that the ethnic cleansing of Jews - didn't multiply their numbers as is the case with the Arabs.

 

[montelatici]

So much BS...so little time to correct. like all Hasbarists, you cherry pick facts to twist to your agenda.

So were Jews cleansed from their homeland?

No, native Judeans were never "cleansed", the only people slaughtered or sold into slavery were those religious fanatics (the ISIS of their day) who made war against Rome. Judeans who lived outside Judea/Syria Palestina in the Roman Empire, and those Judeans who were not involved in the war were left alone to live their lives as before.

Tell us whom did the Romans ban from Jerusalem?

Those same religious fanatics mentioned above. Normal Judeans/Palestinians could come and go as they pleased.

And forced conversion is not ethnic cleansing??

No. A religious group is not necessarily an ethnic one. Charlemagne's forced conversion of the Saxons to Christianity, did not "ethnically cleanse" Saxony.

Palestinian sources contradict Your daily propaganda.
Sheds a light on the identity of the Arabian tribes that demand Palestine free of Jews.

Well yes and no, I've skimmed through several village files in the site you mention and wheras some of the population allegedly came from outside Palestine, there's usually no indication of when this occured nor in what numbers. If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.

Unfortunately Zionists have created the strength of ill-will against Jewish people amongst many Palestinians today. Zionism's main premise is to create a "Jews-only" state by expusion and oppression so it's no surprise Zionists are universally detested by Muslims and many Christians and sadly this detestation spills over on to Jewish people in general.

Too much say so coming from a Sand fan to take seriously.

Really Jews were not banned from Jerusalem?
Jews and Samaritans weren't massacared during all of the revolts?
Jews weren't forcefully converted?
Their homeland and capital weren't invaded, destroyed and renamed?
Jews didn't become a minority?

I'm sure Your revisionist sources sprinkle all over that.

All non-Christians were banned from residing in Aelia Capitolina.
Trouble-making fanatics were killed.
Jews were not forcibly converted.
The Hebrews invaded the area in the first place and the area had been ruled by the Selucids anyway, except for the short Hasmonean period before Herod the Great (an Edomite Arab) took over. There you go the frigging King of Judea was an Arab. LOL
Jews converted to Christianity, so of course they became Christians. No longer Jews,

 

[rylah]

So much BS...so little time to correct. like all Hasbarists, you cherry pick facts to twist to your agenda.

So were Jews cleansed from their homeland?

No, native Judeans were never "cleansed", the only people slaughtered or sold into slavery were those religious fanatics (the ISIS of their day) who made war against Rome. Judeans who lived outside Judea/Syria Palestina in the Roman Empire, and those Judeans who were not involved in the war were left alone to live their lives as before.

Tell us whom did the Romans ban from Jerusalem?

Those same religious fanatics mentioned above. Normal Judeans/Palestinians could come and go as they pleased.

And forced conversion is not ethnic cleansing??

No. A religious group is not necessarily an ethnic one. Charlemagne's forced conversion of the Saxons to Christianity, did not "ethnically cleanse" Saxony.

Palestinian sources contradict Your daily propaganda.
Sheds a light on the identity of the Arabian tribes that demand Palestine free of Jews.

Well yes and no, I've skimmed through several village files in the site you mention and wheras some of the population allegedly came from outside Palestine, there's usually no indication of when this occured nor in what numbers. If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.

Unfortunately Zionists have created the strength of ill-will against Jewish people amongst many Palestinians today. Zionism's main premise is to create a "Jews-only" state by expusion and oppression so it's no surprise Zionists are universally detested by Muslims and many Christians and sadly this detestation spills over on to Jewish people in general.

Too much say so coming from a Sand fan to take seriously.

Really Jews were not banned from Jerusalem?
Jews and Samaritans weren't massacared during all of the revolts?
Jews weren't forcefully converted?
Their homeland and capital weren't invaded, destroyed and renamed?
Jews didn't become a minority?

I'm sure Your revisionist sources sprinkle all over that.

All non-Christians were banned from residing in Aelia Capitolina.
Trouble-making fanatics were killed.
Jews were not forcibly converted.
The Hebrews invaded the area in the first place and the area had been ruled by the Selucids anyway, except for the short Hasmonean period before Herod the Great (an Edomite Arab) took over. There you go the frigging King of Judea was an Arab. LOL
Jews converted to Christianity, so of course they became Christians. No longer Jews,

You didn't contradict any of what I said. Just repeat the same nonesense.

And Yet the original Christians were Christian JEWS, before Rome hijacked the sect.
Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome, and a pagan temple was built on top of the Temple Mount.
Roman ethnic cleansing of Jews and Samaritans continued for centuries.

Do You have the original text of Hadrian's ban?

 

[montelatici]

So much BS...so little time to correct. like all Hasbarists, you cherry pick facts to twist to your agenda.

So were Jews cleansed from their homeland?

No, native Judeans were never "cleansed", the only people slaughtered or sold into slavery were those religious fanatics (the ISIS of their day) who made war against Rome. Judeans who lived outside Judea/Syria Palestina in the Roman Empire, and those Judeans who were not involved in the war were left alone to live their lives as before.

Tell us whom did the Romans ban from Jerusalem?

Those same religious fanatics mentioned above. Normal Judeans/Palestinians could come and go as they pleased.

And forced conversion is not ethnic cleansing??

No. A religious group is not necessarily an ethnic one. Charlemagne's forced conversion of the Saxons to Christianity, did not "ethnically cleanse" Saxony.

Palestinian sources contradict Your daily propaganda.
Sheds a light on the identity of the Arabian tribes that demand Palestine free of Jews.

Well yes and no, I've skimmed through several village files in the site you mention and wheras some of the population allegedly came from outside Palestine, there's usually no indication of when this occured nor in what numbers. If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.

Unfortunately Zionists have created the strength of ill-will against Jewish people amongst many Palestinians today. Zionism's main premise is to create a "Jews-only" state by expusion and oppression so it's no surprise Zionists are universally detested by Muslims and many Christians and sadly this detestation spills over on to Jewish people in general.

Too much say so coming from a Sand fan to take seriously.

Really Jews were not banned from Jerusalem?
Jews and Samaritans weren't massacared during all of the revolts?
Jews weren't forcefully converted?
Their homeland and capital weren't invaded, destroyed and renamed?
Jews didn't become a minority?

I'm sure Your revisionist sources sprinkle all over that.

All non-Christians were banned from residing in Aelia Capitolina.
Trouble-making fanatics were killed.
Jews were not forcibly converted.
The Hebrews invaded the area in the first place and the area had been ruled by the Selucids anyway, except for the short Hasmonean period before Herod the Great (an Edomite Arab) took over. There you go the frigging King of Judea was an Arab. LOL
Jews converted to Christianity, so of course they became Christians. No longer Jews,

You didn't contradict any of what I said. Just repeat the same nonesense.

And Yet the original Christians were Christian JEWS, before Rome hijacked the sect.
Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome, and a pagan temple was built on top of the Temple Mount.
Roman ethnic cleansing of Jews and Samaritans continued for centuries.

Do You have the original text of Hadrian's ban?

You are becoming confused. Hadrian banned Christians and their rituals. Get your history straight. Hadrian was emperor centuries before the Romans adopted Christianity as the state religion.

 

[teddyearp]

We need to stop pretending that Louie has anything useful to post.

 

[louie888]

We need to stop pretending that Louie has anything useful to post.

This relates to the OP how?

It is no more right to claim a crib as your own because you slept there as a baby as it is to claim land that you claim your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived on, let alone from a completely different continent.

This really is an easy one and it is remarkable that some 50 pages in, you people are still coming on here pretending that you just cannot see such simple truth.

 

[Hollie]

We need to stop pretending that Louie has anything useful to post.

This relates to the OP how?

It is no more right to claim a crib as your own because you slept there as a baby as it is to claim land that you claim your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived on, let alone from a completely different continent.

This really is an easy one and it is remarkable that some 50 pages in, you people are still coming on here pretending that you just cannot see such simple truth.

Your "simple twoofs" are a confused and muddled attempt at critical thinking.

 

[rylah]

So much BS...so little time to correct. like all Hasbarists, you cherry pick facts to twist to your agenda.

So were Jews cleansed from their homeland?

No, native Judeans were never "cleansed", the only people slaughtered or sold into slavery were those religious fanatics (the ISIS of their day) who made war against Rome. Judeans who lived outside Judea/Syria Palestina in the Roman Empire, and those Judeans who were not involved in the war were left alone to live their lives as before.

Tell us whom did the Romans ban from Jerusalem?

Those same religious fanatics mentioned above. Normal Judeans/Palestinians could come and go as they pleased.

And forced conversion is not ethnic cleansing??

No. A religious group is not necessarily an ethnic one. Charlemagne's forced conversion of the Saxons to Christianity, did not "ethnically cleanse" Saxony.

Palestinian sources contradict Your daily propaganda.
Sheds a light on the identity of the Arabian tribes that demand Palestine free of Jews.

Well yes and no, I've skimmed through several village files in the site you mention and wheras some of the population allegedly came from outside Palestine, there's usually no indication of when this occured nor in what numbers. If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.

Unfortunately Zionists have created the strength of ill-will against Jewish people amongst many Palestinians today. Zionism's main premise is to create a "Jews-only" state by expusion and oppression so it's no surprise Zionists are universally detested by Muslims and many Christians and sadly this detestation spills over on to Jewish people in general.

Too much say so coming from a Sand fan to take seriously.

Really Jews were not banned from Jerusalem?
Jews and Samaritans weren't massacared during all of the revolts?
Jews weren't forcefully converted?
Their homeland and capital weren't invaded, destroyed and renamed?
Jews didn't become a minority?

I'm sure Your revisionist sources sprinkle all over that.

All non-Christians were banned from residing in Aelia Capitolina.
Trouble-making fanatics were killed.
Jews were not forcibly converted.
The Hebrews invaded the area in the first place and the area had been ruled by the Selucids anyway, except for the short Hasmonean period before Herod the Great (an Edomite Arab) took over. There you go the frigging King of Judea was an Arab. LOL
Jews converted to Christianity, so of course they became Christians. No longer Jews,

Wow what a desperate liar.

So no ethnic cleansing of Jews from Jerusalem?

"In 324 Emperor Constantine (later known as "the Great") controls the entire Roman empire. The commemorative churches and basilicas he and his mother, Empress Helena, create in Aelia transform the city into a vivid representation of the life of Christ.

The most impressive building is the Anastasis, marking the place where the resurrection of Christ is believed to have taken place. Jerusalem is once again a 'holy city', a magnet to pilgrims from around the Christian world.

With the exception of the reign of Julian (361-363) and the brief interlude of Persian rule (614-17), Jews were banned from entering the city until the advent of Islam, when they were readmitted."
vhttp://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period3-2.htm

Anything that You define as 'ethnic cleansing', that You claim Israelis do to Arabs, Jews experienced (and more) at the hands of the Romans and other occupiers.
Today not much has changed - they still try to ban Jews from Judea, and from their most important heritage sites.

 

[rylah]

If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.
.

Apparently You have an issue with RACE. Your word choice and omission reveal it all.
Thank You for clarifying where all that wisdom comes from.

It's a nazi tactic reversed - 70 years ago Jews were Semites, and that was enough. Today they're "Europeans", and that's apparently enough for the Arabs and their friends in the West today.

Same obsession,same language, same target.

 

[rylah]

moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area.

Arabian tribes, along with Egyptians, Sudanese and Bosnians were colonizing Syria-Palestine, at the same time Brits and others were colonizing America.

They're as much 'native' as the average US citizen native to Milwaukee.
And again I'm not claiming they don't have rights, they just come from a different category.
On the other hand, dare a Jew build a house in Judea, and he's the worst of beasts of the earth.
Hypocrisy.

 

[Challenger]

Really Jews were not banned from Jerusalem?

Normal Judeans were not banned from anywhere in their native province. The only people the ban was imposed upon were the religious fanatics who followed the Jerusalem Temple cult and rebelled against Rome

Jews and Samaritans weren't massacared during all of the revolts?

Romans were less than kind to rebels throughout their history, just ask Spartacus...

Jews weren't forcefully converted?

There are plenty of incidents of "forced conversion" in Christian history not so many in Muslim history though, Muslims preferred to get the tax revenue from non-Muslims, if they converted, the tax revenue would go down.

Their homeland and capital weren't invaded, destroyed and renamed?

You keep confusing Judeans with followers of the monotheistic temple cult of Jerusalem. The Judean "homeland" was a province of the Roman Empire and was never destroyed, although it was renamed after a religious revolt; the people started calling themselves "Palestinians" according to you, IIRC. Over time they converted to Christianity and later to Islam.

 

[Challenger]

If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.
.

Apparently You have an issue with RACE. Your word choice and omission reveal it all.
Thank You for clarifying where all that wisdom comes from.

It's a nazi tactic reversed - 70 years ago Jews were Semites, and that was enough. Today they're "Europeans", and that's apparently enough for the Arabs and their friends in the West today.

Same obsession,same language, same target.

Erm, no. The only people obsessed with RACE are Zionists who are desperate to have people consider the Jewish religious group a seperate "race" in themselves. The Zionist movement is inherently anti-semitic, however one choses to define the term.

 

[rylah]

Really Jews were not banned from Jerusalem?

Normal Judeans were not banned from anywhere in their native province. The only people the ban was imposed upon were the religious fanatics who followed the Jerusalem Temple cult and rebelled against Rome

Jews and Samaritans weren't massacared during all of the revolts?

Romans were less than kind to rebels throughout their history, just ask Spartacus...

Jews weren't forcefully converted?

There are plenty of incidents of "forced conversion" in Christian history not so many in Muslim history though, Muslims preferred to get the tax revenue from non-Muslims, if they converted, the tax revenue would go down.

Their homeland and capital weren't invaded, destroyed and renamed?

You keep confusing Judeans with followers of the monotheistic temple cult of Jerusalem. The Judean "homeland" was a province of the Roman Empire and was never destroyed, although it was renamed after a religious revolt; the people started calling themselves "Palestinians" according to you, IIRC. Over time they converted to Christianity and later to Islam.

Wow what a desperate liar.

So no ethnic cleansing of Jews from Jerusalem?

"In 324 Emperor Constantine (later known as "the Great") controls the entire Roman empire. The commemorative churches and basilicas he and his mother, Empress Helena, create in Aelia transform the city into a vivid representation of the life of Christ.

The most impressive building is the Anastasis, marking the place where the resurrection of Christ is believed to have taken place. Jerusalem is once again a 'holy city', a magnet to pilgrims from around the Christian world.

With the exception of the reign of Julian (361-363) and the brief interlude of Persian rule (614-17), Jews were banned from entering the city until the advent of Islam, when they were readmitted."
vhttp://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period3-2.htm

Anything that You define as 'ethnic cleansing', that You claim Israelis do to Arabs, Jews experienced (and more) at the hands of the Romans and other occupiers.
Today not much has changed - they still try to ban Jews from Judea, and from their most important heritage sites.

 

[rylah]

If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.
.

Apparently You have an issue with RACE. Your word choice and omission reveal it all.
Thank You for clarifying where all that wisdom comes from.

It's a nazi tactic reversed - 70 years ago Jews were Semites, and that was enough. Today they're "Europeans", and that's apparently enough for the Arabs and their friends in the West today.

Same obsession,same language, same target.

Erm, no. The only people obsessed with RACE are Zionists who are desperate to have people consider the Jewish religious group a seperate "race" in themselves. The Zionist movement is inherently anti-semitic, however one choses to define the term.

The same Zionists who brought Jews from Ethiopia and India are racists?
No I think those who are obsessed with the RACE, BLOOD PURITY and SKIN COLOUR of Jews are racists.

 

[Challenger]

Really Jews were not banned from Jerusalem?

Normal Judeans were not banned from anywhere in their native province. The only people the ban was imposed upon were the religious fanatics who followed the Jerusalem Temple cult and rebelled against Rome

Jews and Samaritans weren't massacared during all of the revolts?

Romans were less than kind to rebels throughout their history, just ask Spartacus...

Jews weren't forcefully converted?

There are plenty of incidents of "forced conversion" in Christian history not so many in Muslim history though, Muslims preferred to get the tax revenue from non-Muslims, if they converted, the tax revenue would go down.

Their homeland and capital weren't invaded, destroyed and renamed?

You keep confusing Judeans with followers of the monotheistic temple cult of Jerusalem. The Judean "homeland" was a province of the Roman Empire and was never destroyed, although it was renamed after a religious revolt; the people started calling themselves "Palestinians" according to you, IIRC. Over time they converted to Christianity and later to Islam.

Wow what a desperate liar.

So no ethnic cleansing of Jews from Jerusalem?

"In 324 Emperor Constantine (later known as "the Great") controls the entire Roman empire. The commemorative churches and basilicas he and his mother, Empress Helena, create in Aelia transform the city into a vivid representation of the life of Christ.

The most impressive building is the Anastasis, marking the place where the resurrection of Christ is believed to have taken place. Jerusalem is once again a 'holy city', a magnet to pilgrims from around the Christian world.

With the exception of the reign of Julian (361-363) and the brief interlude of Persian rule (614-17), Jews were banned from entering the city until the advent of Islam, when they were readmitted."
vhttp://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period3-2.htm

Anything that You define as 'ethnic cleansing', that You claim Israelis do to Arabs, Jews experienced (and more) at the hands of the Romans and other occupiers.
Today not much has changed - they still try to ban Jews from Judea, and from their most important heritage sites.

You cannot "ethnically cleanse" a religious group.

The word "Jews" in the above context meant those followers of the then defunct Temple cult and possibly the more "modern" (3rd-4Th century CE) "rabbinical version" of the same cult. The ban never applied to ethnic Judeans/Palestinians, or anyone else, who were Pagan or Christian.

Contemporary "Jews" are, in the main, the descendants of converts and are European without any ties to the area other than tenuous religious ones.

 

[Challenger]

The same Zionists who brought Jews from Ethiopia and India are racists?

Yes.

No I think those who are obsessed with the RACE, BLOOD PURITY and SKIN COLOUR of Jews are racists.

The only ones so obsessed are Zionists. See post #514

 

[rylah]

Really Jews were not banned from Jerusalem?

Normal Judeans were not banned from anywhere in their native province. The only people the ban was imposed upon were the religious fanatics who followed the Jerusalem Temple cult and rebelled against Rome

Jews and Samaritans weren't massacared during all of the revolts?

Romans were less than kind to rebels throughout their history, just ask Spartacus...

Jews weren't forcefully converted?

There are plenty of incidents of "forced conversion" in Christian history not so many in Muslim history though, Muslims preferred to get the tax revenue from non-Muslims, if they converted, the tax revenue would go down.

Their homeland and capital weren't invaded, destroyed and renamed?

You keep confusing Judeans with followers of the monotheistic temple cult of Jerusalem. The Judean "homeland" was a province of the Roman Empire and was never destroyed, although it was renamed after a religious revolt; the people started calling themselves "Palestinians" according to you, IIRC. Over time they converted to Christianity and later to Islam.

Wow what a desperate liar.

So no ethnic cleansing of Jews from Jerusalem?

"In 324 Emperor Constantine (later known as "the Great") controls the entire Roman empire. The commemorative churches and basilicas he and his mother, Empress Helena, create in Aelia transform the city into a vivid representation of the life of Christ.

The most impressive building is the Anastasis, marking the place where the resurrection of Christ is believed to have taken place. Jerusalem is once again a 'holy city', a magnet to pilgrims from around the Christian world.

With the exception of the reign of Julian (361-363) and the brief interlude of Persian rule (614-17), Jews were banned from entering the city until the advent of Islam, when they were readmitted."
vhttp://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period3-2.htm

Anything that You define as 'ethnic cleansing', that You claim Israelis do to Arabs, Jews experienced (and more) at the hands of the Romans and other occupiers.
Today not much has changed - they still try to ban Jews from Judea, and from their most important heritage sites.

You cannot "ethnically cleanse" a religious group.

The word "Jews" in the above context meant those followers of the then defunct Temple cult and possibly the more "modern" (3rd-4Th century CE) "rabbinical version" of the same cult. The ban never applied to ethnic Judeans/Palestinians, or anyone else, who were Pagan or Christian.

Contemporary "Jews" are, in the main, the descendants of converts and are European without any ties to the area other than tenuous religious ones.

But You can ethically cleanse a tribe from the land that bears its' name, and has a distinct culture specifically tied to that land.
'Jew' in Hebrew simply means- 'of the tribe of Judah'. And there's only one word for it in Hebrew.

I don't know what You get by discussing what "version" of their indigenous culture or religion was banned from the land -it's still ethnic cleansing.
Discussing their race or blood purity, or mixing with other people still smells like racism.

 

[rylah]

The same Zionists who brought Jews from Ethiopia and India are racists?

Yes.

No I think those who are obsessed with the RACE, BLOOD PURITY and SKIN COLOUR of Jews are racists.

The only ones so obsessed are Zionists. See post #514

Disagree.

If Semitic people like Yemenites, for example, moved into the area 1-2000 years ago, they would still be more native to the area than Jewish European colonists who arrived 1-200 years ago and Jewish people native to areas of the middle east that arrived in the 1950's onwards.
.

Apparently You have an issue with RACE. Your word choice and omission reveal it all.
Thank You for clarifying where all that wisdom comes from.

It's a nazi tactic reversed - 70 years ago Jews were Semites, and that was enough. Today they're "Europeans", and that's apparently enough for the Arabs and their friends in the West today.

Same obsession,same language, same target.

Erm, no. The only people obsessed with RACE are Zionists who are desperate to have people consider the Jewish religious group a seperate "race" in themselves. The Zionist movement is inherently anti-semitic, however one choses to define the term.

I disagree.

Look if Kurds or Yazidis now realized they need a state in their indigenous land, to protect themselves. And they decided to organize and gather their diaspora in that land, and even fight for it - I would be all for their rights.

I certainly would NOT discuss what the color of their skin or race is.
Jews were not desperate to be a separate race, there were certain tribes that were not welcomed, that's all. What Jews cared about was heritage, culture and survival.

What part of Jews wishing to live in Judea don't You understand?