We need to stop pretending that this issue is so difficult. It is obvious even to a young child.

[Hollie]

Actually, the only way you could make that statement is if you CHOOSE to be blind.

I don't see where it shows that a whole population moved out and a whole new population moved in as you suggested.

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

The Palestinians have been in Palestine since Herodotus named it Palestine around 3,000 years ago. That most of them converted to Christianity in the centuries after the birth of Christ doesn't change the ancestry of the native people.

No kidding? The Turk invaders / colonizers and the European Christian Crusaders / colonizers were "Pal'istanians"?

That's remarkable. Tell us more.

 

[louie888]

The Jewish people were the only people there. Until they got colonized and invaded. There were no Arabic speaking people there. There were no Muslim people there. There were no culturally Arab people there.

Please, tell us more. Don't post any evidence, but keep telling us things, lol.

 

[louie888]

Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews.

Please, tell us more. Don't post any evidence, but keep telling us things, lol.

 

[westwall]

Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews.

Please, tell us more. Don't post any evidence, but keep telling us things, lol.

It's in pretty much every history written about the Holy Land. And you can read them online or go to the library. It is sad that you only read propaganda from your chosen biased sources, but the Romans kept pretty good records of the areas they were conquering, and the Umayyads did the same. I understand that actually learning about the real facts will hurt your head, but those facts are well known to the people who are educated even just a little bit about the subject.

Which leaves you out.

 

[westwall]

The entire region was in movement for centuries. At some times there were almost no people due to disease and no arable land. But even then, there were still Jews living there. Thus it is the Palestinians who are the interlopers.

I agree with your history but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Palestine has been invaded, conquered, and occupied many times. Plus it was the cross road of trade and human migration forever. A lot of people came and went.

However, I don't believe that every time a new flag went up over city hall that everyone moved out and a whole new population moved in. Normally when a territory is conquered the political elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. Somebody has to create the wealth that the conqueror wants to take.

Through all of this flux there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the Palestinians of today.

No, they're not. The only ethnic group who have been represented in Israel from the very beginning of written history are the Jews. They are the only group that has had a constant presence there for the last 3,000 years. The Palestinians didn't arrive until around 150 years ago. The facts are very clear on that.

The Palestinians have been in Palestine since Herodotus named it Palestine around 3,000 years ago. That most of them converted to Christianity in the centuries after the birth of Christ doesn't change the ancestry of the native people.

Wrong. It was Hadrian that named it, and that 30+ years after Christ. The year was 73 AD and Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews. This is well known history dude. Try and keep up.

You do have such a grasp of history. LOL Just read Herodotus' Histories you idiot.

Herodotus

I have. He doesn't make the claims that you do.

 

[louie888]

Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews.

Please, tell us more. Don't post any evidence, but keep telling us things, lol.

It's in pretty much every history written about the Holy Land. And you can read them online or go to the library. It is sad that you only read propaganda from your chosen biased sources, but the Romans kept pretty good records of the areas they were conquering, and the Umayyads did the same. I understand that actually learning about the real facts will hurt your head, but those facts are well known to the people who are educated even just a little bit about the subject.

Which leaves you out.

Instead of running, just back up your statement.

"Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews."

Is this just another case of jew hating for no reason?

 

[Shusha]

The Jewish people were the only people there. Until they got colonized and invaded. There were no Arabic speaking people there. There were no Muslim people there. There were no culturally Arab people there.

Please, tell us more. Don't post any evidence, but keep telling us things, lol.

You want me to post evidence that there were no Muslims in the territory before the invention of Islam? You want me to post evidence that there were no Arabic speaking people in the territory before they invaded?

I can post dozens of pieces of evidence: literature, historical documents, inscriptions, objects which prove the existence of the Jewish people in the territory.

Why don't you post one piece of evidence of the existence of the Arab Muslims in the territory oh say around the time of the birth of JC.

 

[Challenger]

Wrong. It was Hadrian that named it, and that 30+ years after Christ. The year was 73 AD and Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews. This is well known history dude. Try and keep up

I think you'll find the Emperor Hadrian named the region Syria-Palaestina around 132CE, reviving the ancient name of the region "Palaestine" used for centuries earlier from Heroditus' time. This is well known history...

 

[Challenger]

It was Merneptah.

Yeah, I know he did one as well, but I am pretty sure that Ramses did the first one.

I think you are getting history confused with Hollywood, there ia absolutely no evidence whatsoever that any of the Pharoahs called Rameses had any dealings whatsoever with "Jews".

 

[louie888]

You want me to post evidence that there were no Muslims in the territory before the invention of Islam? You want me to post evidence that there were no Arabic speaking people in the territory before they invaded?

I can post dozens of pieces of evidence: literature, historical documents, inscriptions, objects which prove the existence of the Jewish people in the territory.

Why don't you post one piece of evidence of the existence of the Arab Muslims in the territory oh say around the time of the birth of JC.

No, illiterate, I asked for proof of your statement...

"The Jewish people were the only people there."

The rest of your idiocy must be based on you confusing me with idiot westwall who is the one that claimed that Muslims kept Jewish tax records for centuries prior to Islam.

 

[Indeependent]

The 1st Temple is currently 19 layers below the Western Wall.

Not one shred of evidence to back that grandiose claim. I guess we will just believe you even though you lie daily.

What is Beneath the Temple Mount? | History | Smithsonian
Ah, **** you.

You said no jewish sources, but you don't even read what you post...

Barkay and his colleagues have published their main findings in two academic journals in Hebrew, and they plan to eventually publish a book-length account in English.
Read more: What is Beneath the Temple Mount? | History | Smithsonian
Feeling stupid yet?

I never feel stupid because I never go out of my way to demonize a nation; that's your job.
And I didn't know the Smithsonian was a Jewish site.
Feel stupid yet?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Jewish people were the only people there.

That was the question.

Where is your link?

 

[Shusha]

"The Jewish people were the only people there."

So we agree that the relevant people to this discussion, the Arab people, came later (invaded, conquered, colonized). And we agree that the Jewish people already existed in the land prior to the arrival of the Arab people. There were other invaders: Greeks and Romans. The Jewish people already existed in the land prior to those invaders as well.

So what other peoples are you going to say were there along with the Jewish people, prior to those invasions? Canaanites? Hebrew culture grew directly from Canaanite culture. There is no distinction between the two. Even if there were, no such peoples exist today. Samaritans? A part of the Jewish people.

So what is the POINT of arguing this?

 

[westwall]

Wrong. It was Hadrian that named it, and that 30+ years after Christ. The year was 73 AD and Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews. This is well known history dude. Try and keep up

I think you'll find the Emperor Hadrian named the region Syria-Palaestina around 132CE, reviving the ancient name of the region "Palaestine" used for centuries earlier from Heroditus' time. This is well known history...

Wrong as usual. The first time the area was referred to as Palaestine is after Masada. This is well known history. It is also known that Hadrian was referring to the PHILISTINES, who originated from the Aegean area centered on Crete, a people called the "Pelesati", because he knew of tha ncient enmity between the Jews and them. Thus they were the perfect tool to humiliate the Jews.

This is history that has been KNOWN for millenia, unlike your fantasy nonsense that has existed for only 50 years or so, and promulgated by neo nazis and anti Israel propagandists.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wrong. It was Hadrian that named it, and that 30+ years after Christ. The year was 73 AD and Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews. This is well known history dude. Try and keep up

I think you'll find the Emperor Hadrian named the region Syria-Palaestina around 132CE, reviving the ancient name of the region "Palaestine" used for centuries earlier from Heroditus' time. This is well known history...

Wrong as usual. The first time the area was referred to as Palaestine is after Masada. This is well known history. It is also known that Hadrian was referring to the PHILISTINES, who originated from the Aegean area centered on Crete, a people called the "Pelesati", because he knew of tha ncient enmity between the Jews and them. Thus they were the perfect tool to humiliate the Jews.

This is history that has been KNOWN for millenia, unlike your fantasy nonsense that has existed for only 50 years or so, and promulgated by neo nazis and anti Israel propagandists.

This whole argument is so stupid.

Susan Abulhawa says that she can trace her family in Palestine back 900 years.

Ali Abunimah says his family came to Palestine in 1492 when they were expelled from Spain.

The farm village of Najd had 300 people at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. It is said, but I don't know if anybody knows for sure, that the village was formed in the 7th century. Now, were these people immigrants or were they from elsewhere in Palestine looking for fertile fields? Who knows?

Now, how can anyone say that Palestine is not their homeland?

 

[westwall]

Wrong. It was Hadrian that named it, and that 30+ years after Christ. The year was 73 AD and Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews. This is well known history dude. Try and keep up

I think you'll find the Emperor Hadrian named the region Syria-Palaestina around 132CE, reviving the ancient name of the region "Palaestine" used for centuries earlier from Heroditus' time. This is well known history...

Wrong as usual. The first time the area was referred to as Palaestine is after Masada. This is well known history. It is also known that Hadrian was referring to the PHILISTINES, who originated from the Aegean area centered on Crete, a people called the "Pelesati", because he knew of tha ncient enmity between the Jews and them. Thus they were the perfect tool to humiliate the Jews.

This is history that has been KNOWN for millenia, unlike your fantasy nonsense that has existed for only 50 years or so, and promulgated by neo nazis and anti Israel propagandists.

This whole argument is so stupid.

Susan Abulhawa says that she can trace her family in Palestine back 900 years.

Ali Abunimah says his family came to Palestine in 1492 when they were expelled from Spain.

The farm village of Najd had 300 people at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. It is said, but I don't know if anybody knows for sure, that the village was formed in the 7th century. Now, were these people immigrants or were they from elsewhere in Palestine looking for fertile fields? Who knows?

Now, how can anyone say that Palestine is not their homeland?

And she's lying. That's the problem with anecdotal "evidence". Especially "evidence" that is easily refuted by historical documents FROM THE ERA!

Palestinians lived in the southern Arabian Peninsula until they got pushed out. This is well known.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wrong. It was Hadrian that named it, and that 30+ years after Christ. The year was 73 AD and Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews. This is well known history dude. Try and keep up

I think you'll find the Emperor Hadrian named the region Syria-Palaestina around 132CE, reviving the ancient name of the region "Palaestine" used for centuries earlier from Heroditus' time. This is well known history...

Wrong as usual. The first time the area was referred to as Palaestine is after Masada. This is well known history. It is also known that Hadrian was referring to the PHILISTINES, who originated from the Aegean area centered on Crete, a people called the "Pelesati", because he knew of tha ncient enmity between the Jews and them. Thus they were the perfect tool to humiliate the Jews.

This is history that has been KNOWN for millenia, unlike your fantasy nonsense that has existed for only 50 years or so, and promulgated by neo nazis and anti Israel propagandists.

This whole argument is so stupid.

Susan Abulhawa says that she can trace her family in Palestine back 900 years.

Ali Abunimah says his family came to Palestine in 1492 when they were expelled from Spain.

The farm village of Najd had 300 people at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. It is said, but I don't know if anybody knows for sure, that the village was formed in the 7th century. Now, were these people immigrants or were they from elsewhere in Palestine looking for fertile fields? Who knows?

Now, how can anyone say that Palestine is not their homeland?

And she's lying. That's the problem with anecdotal "evidence". Especially "evidence" that is easily refuted by historical documents FROM THE ERA!

Palestinians lived in the southern Arabian Peninsula until they got pushed out. This is well known.

What if her family was not one of them? Are you saying that nobody lived in Nazareth back then?

 

[westwall]

Wrong. It was Hadrian that named it, and that 30+ years after Christ. The year was 73 AD and Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews. This is well known history dude. Try and keep up

I think you'll find the Emperor Hadrian named the region Syria-Palaestina around 132CE, reviving the ancient name of the region "Palaestine" used for centuries earlier from Heroditus' time. This is well known history...

Wrong as usual. The first time the area was referred to as Palaestine is after Masada. This is well known history. It is also known that Hadrian was referring to the PHILISTINES, who originated from the Aegean area centered on Crete, a people called the "Pelesati", because he knew of tha ncient enmity between the Jews and them. Thus they were the perfect tool to humiliate the Jews.

This is history that has been KNOWN for millenia, unlike your fantasy nonsense that has existed for only 50 years or so, and promulgated by neo nazis and anti Israel propagandists.

This whole argument is so stupid.

Susan Abulhawa says that she can trace her family in Palestine back 900 years.

Ali Abunimah says his family came to Palestine in 1492 when they were expelled from Spain.

The farm village of Najd had 300 people at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. It is said, but I don't know if anybody knows for sure, that the village was formed in the 7th century. Now, were these people immigrants or were they from elsewhere in Palestine looking for fertile fields? Who knows?

Now, how can anyone say that Palestine is not their homeland?

And she's lying. That's the problem with anecdotal "evidence". Especially "evidence" that is easily refuted by historical documents FROM THE ERA!

Palestinians lived in the southern Arabian Peninsula until they got pushed out. This is well known.

What if her family was not one of them? Are you saying that nobody lived in Nazareth back then?

Not at all. What I am saying is there were no palestinians in that region back then. Any who were in the region were merely passing through as part of a trade caravan.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think you'll find the Emperor Hadrian named the region Syria-Palaestina around 132CE, reviving the ancient name of the region "Palaestine" used for centuries earlier from Heroditus' time. This is well known history...

Wrong as usual. The first time the area was referred to as Palaestine is after Masada. This is well known history. It is also known that Hadrian was referring to the PHILISTINES, who originated from the Aegean area centered on Crete, a people called the "Pelesati", because he knew of tha ncient enmity between the Jews and them. Thus they were the perfect tool to humiliate the Jews.

This is history that has been KNOWN for millenia, unlike your fantasy nonsense that has existed for only 50 years or so, and promulgated by neo nazis and anti Israel propagandists.

This whole argument is so stupid.

Susan Abulhawa says that she can trace her family in Palestine back 900 years.

Ali Abunimah says his family came to Palestine in 1492 when they were expelled from Spain.

The farm village of Najd had 300 people at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. It is said, but I don't know if anybody knows for sure, that the village was formed in the 7th century. Now, were these people immigrants or were they from elsewhere in Palestine looking for fertile fields? Who knows?

Now, how can anyone say that Palestine is not their homeland?

And she's lying. That's the problem with anecdotal "evidence". Especially "evidence" that is easily refuted by historical documents FROM THE ERA!

Palestinians lived in the southern Arabian Peninsula until they got pushed out. This is well known.

What if her family was not one of them? Are you saying that nobody lived in Nazareth back then?

Not at all. What I am saying is there were no palestinians in that region back then. Any who were in the region were merely passing through as part of a trade caravan.

Passing through for 900 years?

 

[Hollie]

Wrong as usual. The first time the area was referred to as Palaestine is after Masada. This is well known history. It is also known that Hadrian was referring to the PHILISTINES, who originated from the Aegean area centered on Crete, a people called the "Pelesati", because he knew of tha ncient enmity between the Jews and them. Thus they were the perfect tool to humiliate the Jews.

This is history that has been KNOWN for millenia, unlike your fantasy nonsense that has existed for only 50 years or so, and promulgated by neo nazis and anti Israel propagandists.

This whole argument is so stupid.

Susan Abulhawa says that she can trace her family in Palestine back 900 years.

Ali Abunimah says his family came to Palestine in 1492 when they were expelled from Spain.

The farm village of Najd had 300 people at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. It is said, but I don't know if anybody knows for sure, that the village was formed in the 7th century. Now, were these people immigrants or were they from elsewhere in Palestine looking for fertile fields? Who knows?

Now, how can anyone say that Palestine is not their homeland?

And she's lying. That's the problem with anecdotal "evidence". Especially "evidence" that is easily refuted by historical documents FROM THE ERA!

Palestinians lived in the southern Arabian Peninsula until they got pushed out. This is well known.

What if her family was not one of them? Are you saying that nobody lived in Nazareth back then?

Not at all. What I am saying is there were no palestinians in that region back then. Any who were in the region were merely passing through as part of a trade caravan.

Passing through for 900 years?

Lying for the sake of religion? That's called taqiyya. You are free to be as gullible as you wish regarding unsubstantiated claims by Arabs-Islamists like Susan Albulhawa, just don't expect everyone else to be.