We need to stop pretending that this issue is so difficult. It is obvious even to a young child.

[westwall]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

Provably false. But thanks for playing.

 

[rylah]

Wrong. It was Hadrian that named it, and that 30+ years after Christ. The year was 73 AD and Hadrian renamed the province to humiliate the Jews. This is well known history dude. Try and keep up

I think you'll find the Emperor Hadrian named the region Syria-Palaestina around 132CE, reviving the ancient name of the region "Palaestine" used for centuries earlier from Heroditus' time. This is well known history...

Wrong as usual. The first time the area was referred to as Palaestine is after Masada. This is well known history. It is also known that Hadrian was referring to the PHILISTINES, who originated from the Aegean area centered on Crete, a people called the "Pelesati", because he knew of tha ncient enmity between the Jews and them. Thus they were the perfect tool to humiliate the Jews.

This is history that has been KNOWN for millenia, unlike your fantasy nonsense that has existed for only 50 years or so, and promulgated by neo nazis and anti Israel propagandists.

This whole argument is so stupid.

Susan Abulhawa says that she can trace her family in Palestine back 900 years.

Ali Abunimah says his family came to Palestine in 1492 when they were expelled from Spain.

The farm village of Najd had 300 people at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. It is said, but I don't know if anybody knows for sure, that the village was formed in the 7th century. Now, were these people immigrants or were they from elsewhere in Palestine looking for fertile fields? Who knows?

Now, how can anyone say that Palestine is not their homeland?

Najd?? You mean the one on Saudi Arabia or Gaza...why would there be a Najd in Gaza?

Abulhawa's argument is silly. Of course Arab occupiers had longstanding presence.
It's like saying that Jerusalem (Yates County) is centuries old, and because Americans have longstanding presence there - they can deny Indians their rights.

There were more than 20 languages spoken in Palestine, it's not a reason to deny the Hebrew language and people their rightful place.

 

[rylah]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

How typical, team Palestine is fixated on blood purity studies, and manipulation of them.

The real headline of Your study:
"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages"
We're talking about a period of roughly between 3.3 million years ago until 5,300 years ago.

But then again we have:

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

Jews cluster mostly with the Druze and Lebanese Christians while Palestinian Arabs with Saudis, Jordanians and Bedouins :

They have to lie. History, and genetics prove their assertions are false. But damn it, they want to get rid of those pesky Jews!

Ironically I use the same studies they use. They just don't read beyond the headlines...and then they don't even post the original headlines.

These people are 'religious' about it - denying Jews their rights.

 

[rylah]

Can anyone tell me what the Palestinian Arabs say about the origin of the inhabitants in Qusin, Yasid or Burqa?

Maybe the Moroccan quarter of Jerusalem?

 

[montelatici]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

Provably false. But thanks for playing.

Don't let facts get in the way of your conditioning. LOL

 

[westwall]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

Provably false. But thanks for playing.

Don't let facts get in the way of your conditioning. LOL

YOU certainly don't. I am a student of history. You're a propaganda student. The two are diametrically opposed. I deal with facts. You deal with lies. It's as simple as that.

 

[westwall]

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

How typical, team Palestine is fixated on blood purity studies, and manipulation of them.

The real headline of Your study:
"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages"
We're talking about a period of roughly between 3.3 million years ago until 5,300 years ago.

But then again we have:

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

Jews cluster mostly with the Druze and Lebanese Christians while Palestinian Arabs with Saudis, Jordanians and Bedouins :

They have to lie. History, and genetics prove their assertions are false. But damn it, they want to get rid of those pesky Jews!

Ironically I use the same studies they use. They just don't read beyond the headlines...and then they don't even post the original headlines.

These people are 'religious' about it - denying Jews their rights.

I know. It is a common problem with people who think they are smart. The abstract is to grab attention, so they are usually grandiose. But the devil, as they say, is in the details.

 

[peach174]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

Provably false. But thanks for playing.

Don't let facts get in the way of your conditioning. LOL

If it's fact it would not have said probably.
Probably means still a theory.
So yes it can be proven one way or the other.

 

[Eloy]

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

Provably false. But thanks for playing.

Don't let facts get in the way of your conditioning. LOL

If it's fact it would not have said probably.
Probably means still a theory.
So yes it can be proven one way or the other.

You have only to look at modern Israelis to see that they are not Semites.

 

[montelatici]

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

Provably false. But thanks for playing.

Don't let facts get in the way of your conditioning. LOL

YOU certainly don't. I am a student of history. You're a propaganda student. The two are diametrically opposed. I deal with facts. You deal with lies. It's as simple as that.

Now that's funny. You post Zionist propaganda exclusively. Long ago debunked, by the way. I only present fact, and you know it. I know it is inconvenient for you. LOL

 

[Shusha]

You have only to look at modern Israelis to see that they are not Semites.

You DO know that judging people by their appearance is racism, right?

 

[rylah]

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

Provably false. But thanks for playing.

Don't let facts get in the way of your conditioning. LOL

If it's fact it would not have said probably.
Probably means still a theory.
So yes it can be proven one way or the other.

You have only to look at modern Israelis to see that they are not Semites.

Why because all Semitic people should look like Bedouins?
I could show You pictures of Arabian royalty and You'd say they look western-European.

Why does team Palestine always resort to Eugenics?

 

[Shusha]

Same reason they falsify history -- to keep Jews out of the circle of peoples who have rights.

 

[montelatici]

"Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

 

[montelatici]

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

Provably false. But thanks for playing.

Don't let facts get in the way of your conditioning. LOL

If it's fact it would not have said probably.
Probably means still a theory.
So yes it can be proven one way or the other.

You have only to look at modern Israelis to see that they are not Semites.

Why because all Semitic people should look like Bedouins?
I could show You pictures of Arabian royalty and You'd say they look western-European.

Why does team Palestine always resort to Eugenics?

Cognitive dissonance.

 

[louie888]

Same reason they falsify history -- to keep Jews out of the circle of peoples who have rights.

You sniveling, abhorrent liar. You have some nerve, after the debacle you created for yourself on the thread concerning israel sending all the blacks back to Africa, to call anyone a racist.

And look at all the time you idiots spend derailing this thread because you can't handle how obvious this issue actually is.

You have no more right to claim a crib that you slept in as a baby, then to claim land that supposedly belonged to your coreligionists 3000 years ago. Dumb, dumb, dumb!

Remember the OP?

 

[Shusha]

Oh, I remember. Still waiting for you to respond to some of my posts about the OP. Like this one:

Here’s my simple checklist for colonizers and imperialists.

1. Did you force your language on other peoples?
2. Did you force your religion on others?
3. Did you claim and subsume others sacred sites?
4. Do you deny indigenous people the right to self-determination on land that you conquered?
5. Did you conquer a large percentage of the known world?
6. Are you an asshat?

If you answered yes to more than one of these questions, chances are good that you are in fact a member of a colonialist imperialist people. The short version is did you take someone elses stuff and claim it as your own?


While I would LOVE to take credit for this simple and eloquent statement, these are the words of Ryan Bellerose, a Canadian First Nations advocate for indigenous peoples.

 

[Shusha]

Also this one:


How can I tell a real Jew from a synthetic one?

 

[rylah]

"Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Well if You were at the least hones, You'd post the actual headline of the study. But You are dishonest and manipulative.
This is what a newer study says in reference:

This is in agreement with previous observations from other Early Neolithic populations [27], [46], and underlines the importance of genetic drift processes at the beginning of the Neolithic [16]. Nevertheless, the multi-population comparative analyses performed here also suggest that certain population isolates of Middle Eastern origin, like the Druze, could have retained an ancient Neolithic genetic legacy through cultural isolation and endogamous practices [47]. Another interesting case are the Ashkenazi Jews, who display a frequency of haplogroup K similar to the PPNB sample together with low non-significant pairwise Fst values, which taken together suggests an ancient Near Eastern origin. This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48]. According to that work the majority of the Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages can be assigned to three major founders within haplogroup K (31% of their total lineages): K1a1b1a, K1a9 and K2a2. The absence of characteristic mutations within the control region in the PPNB K-haplotypes allow discarding them as members of either sub-clades K1a1b1a or K2a2, both representing a 79% of total Ashkenazi K lineages. However, without a high-resolution typing of the mtDNA coding region it cannot be excluded that the PPNB K lineages belong to the third sub-cluster K1a9 (20% of Askhenazi K lineages). Moreover, in the light of the evidence presented here of a loss of lineages in the Near East since Neolithic times, the absence of Ashkenazi mtDNA founder clades in the Near East should not be taken as a definitive argument for its absence in the past. The genotyping of the complete mtDNA in ancient Near Eastern populations would be required to fully answer this question and it will undoubtedly add resolution to the patterns detected in modern populations in this and other studies.

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands

 

[BulletProof]

You have only to look at modern Israelis to see that they are not Semites.

You have only to look at an Arab to see what a Semite looks like.