We need to stop pretending that this issue is so difficult. It is obvious even to a young child.

[P F Tinmore]

This whole argument is so stupid.

Susan Abulhawa says that she can trace her family in Palestine back 900 years.

Ali Abunimah says his family came to Palestine in 1492 when they were expelled from Spain.

The farm village of Najd had 300 people at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. It is said, but I don't know if anybody knows for sure, that the village was formed in the 7th century. Now, were these people immigrants or were they from elsewhere in Palestine looking for fertile fields? Who knows?

Now, how can anyone say that Palestine is not their homeland?

And she's lying. That's the problem with anecdotal "evidence". Especially "evidence" that is easily refuted by historical documents FROM THE ERA!

Palestinians lived in the southern Arabian Peninsula until they got pushed out. This is well known.

What if her family was not one of them? Are you saying that nobody lived in Nazareth back then?

Not at all. What I am saying is there were no palestinians in that region back then. Any who were in the region were merely passing through as part of a trade caravan.

Passing through for 900 years?

Lying for the sake of religion? That's called taqiyya. You are free to be as gullible as you wish regarding unsubstantiated claims by Arabs-Islamists like Susan Albulhawa, just don't expect everyone else to be.

Somebody lived there back then. What evidence do you have that here family was not part of that?

 

[westwall]

And she's lying. That's the problem with anecdotal "evidence". Especially "evidence" that is easily refuted by historical documents FROM THE ERA!

Palestinians lived in the southern Arabian Peninsula until they got pushed out. This is well known.

What if her family was not one of them? Are you saying that nobody lived in Nazareth back then?

Not at all. What I am saying is there were no palestinians in that region back then. Any who were in the region were merely passing through as part of a trade caravan.

Passing through for 900 years?

Lying for the sake of religion? That's called taqiyya. You are free to be as gullible as you wish regarding unsubstantiated claims by Arabs-Islamists like Susan Albulhawa, just don't expect everyone else to be.

Somebody lived there back then. What evidence do you have that here family was not part of that?

The fact that Palestinians came from the southern Arabian peninsula. You have to understand, life was far different back then, You stayed in your tribal areas or you got killed. Water is life in the desert and it was fought for. It was only with the advent of modern technology that travel became easy enough for people to really move about. And that only happened in the last 150 years or so.

Before that 99.9% of the worlds population lived and died within five miles of where they were born.

 

[westwall]

Wrong as usual. The first time the area was referred to as Palaestine is after Masada. This is well known history. It is also known that Hadrian was referring to the PHILISTINES, who originated from the Aegean area centered on Crete, a people called the "Pelesati", because he knew of tha ncient enmity between the Jews and them. Thus they were the perfect tool to humiliate the Jews.

This is history that has been KNOWN for millenia, unlike your fantasy nonsense that has existed for only 50 years or so, and promulgated by neo nazis and anti Israel propagandists.

This whole argument is so stupid.

Susan Abulhawa says that she can trace her family in Palestine back 900 years.

Ali Abunimah says his family came to Palestine in 1492 when they were expelled from Spain.

The farm village of Najd had 300 people at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. It is said, but I don't know if anybody knows for sure, that the village was formed in the 7th century. Now, were these people immigrants or were they from elsewhere in Palestine looking for fertile fields? Who knows?

Now, how can anyone say that Palestine is not their homeland?

And she's lying. That's the problem with anecdotal "evidence". Especially "evidence" that is easily refuted by historical documents FROM THE ERA!

Palestinians lived in the southern Arabian Peninsula until they got pushed out. This is well known.

What if her family was not one of them? Are you saying that nobody lived in Nazareth back then?

Not at all. What I am saying is there were no palestinians in that region back then. Any who were in the region were merely passing through as part of a trade caravan.

Passing through for 900 years?

You really need to read about what life was like back then. You truly have no clue.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What if her family was not one of them? Are you saying that nobody lived in Nazareth back then?

Not at all. What I am saying is there were no palestinians in that region back then. Any who were in the region were merely passing through as part of a trade caravan.

Passing through for 900 years?

Lying for the sake of religion? That's called taqiyya. You are free to be as gullible as you wish regarding unsubstantiated claims by Arabs-Islamists like Susan Albulhawa, just don't expect everyone else to be.

Somebody lived there back then. What evidence do you have that here family was not part of that?

The fact that Palestinians came from the southern Arabian peninsula. You have to understand, life was far different back then, You stayed in your tribal areas or you got killed. Water is life in the desert and it was fought for. It was only with the advent of modern technology that travel became easy enough for people to really move about. And that only happened in the last 150 years or so.

Before that 99.9% of the worlds population lived and died within five miles of where they were born.

Are you assuming that all Palestinians have to be Arab Muslims?

 

[westwall]

Not at all. What I am saying is there were no palestinians in that region back then. Any who were in the region were merely passing through as part of a trade caravan.

Passing through for 900 years?

Lying for the sake of religion? That's called taqiyya. You are free to be as gullible as you wish regarding unsubstantiated claims by Arabs-Islamists like Susan Albulhawa, just don't expect everyone else to be.

Somebody lived there back then. What evidence do you have that here family was not part of that?

The fact that Palestinians came from the southern Arabian peninsula. You have to understand, life was far different back then, You stayed in your tribal areas or you got killed. Water is life in the desert and it was fought for. It was only with the advent of modern technology that travel became easy enough for people to really move about. And that only happened in the last 150 years or so.

Before that 99.9% of the worlds population lived and died within five miles of where they were born.

Are you assuming that all Palestinians have to be Arab Muslims?

Palestinians are Arabs. They are not a distinct ethnic group. They would be the equivalent of the Iroquois Indians here in the US trying to go live in the region inhabited by the Cheyenne. Much blood would flow. That's why it never happened.

 

[peach174]

Really? Do tell. How are they "different" Jews?

As I have explained numerous times, you people conflate the biblical Jews from the biblical "Land of Israel" with today's modern, terrorist jews who converted to judaism, came from Europe and continue to steal our promised land. The fact that they have the balls to even call it Israel is disgusting.

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Passing through for 900 years?

Lying for the sake of religion? That's called taqiyya. You are free to be as gullible as you wish regarding unsubstantiated claims by Arabs-Islamists like Susan Albulhawa, just don't expect everyone else to be.

Somebody lived there back then. What evidence do you have that here family was not part of that?

The fact that Palestinians came from the southern Arabian peninsula. You have to understand, life was far different back then, You stayed in your tribal areas or you got killed. Water is life in the desert and it was fought for. It was only with the advent of modern technology that travel became easy enough for people to really move about. And that only happened in the last 150 years or so.

Before that 99.9% of the worlds population lived and died within five miles of where they were born.

Are you assuming that all Palestinians have to be Arab Muslims?

Palestinians are Arabs. They are not a distinct ethnic group. They would be the equivalent of the Iroquois Indians here in the US trying to go live in the region inhabited by the Cheyenne. Much blood would flow. That's why it never happened.

Palestinians are Arabs.

Are they? Do they have to be? Why do you think there is always war just because people are different?

 

[Shusha]

Why do you think there is always war just because people are different?

Difference doesn't cause war. Intolerance does. Competing values does. Mutually exclusive goals do.

 

[Lastamender]

It seems like every thread devolves into crap as israel's shills only wish for their narrative to be repeated ad nauseum. As this happens, how simple this topic is gets lost, hence these circular threads that become nothing more than israeli mouthpieces lying and then insulting anyone who dares to disagree, as those who support truth and peace are smeared as racists and terrorists, because hasbara's first rule is to accuse their enemy of exactly what the israeli jews are guilty of.

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The above illustrates clearly how easy it is to understand what is happening in Palestine. It is the bottom line of the israeli narrative.

It is long past the time to get past this. It is time to see how ridiculous this whole line of "reasoning" truly is. No one in their right mind should be able to argue this idiotic aspect of the israeli narrative.

Let the world know that we know and there can be peace.

For any od israel's shills out there who can't understand the simple cartoon above and that still don't get it, look at like this: G-d said I can have your house. Are you good with that?

Israel is facing Islamists not Palestinians.It is written all Jews must die in the Koran. Wise up idiot.

 

[BulletProof]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why do you think there is always war just because people are different?

Difference doesn't cause war. Intolerance does. Competing values does. Mutually exclusive goals do.

Indeed, and the Palestinians led a relatively peaceful life for centuries despite their differences.

The Zionists came and destroyed all that.

 

[Shusha]

Indeed, and the Palestinians led a relatively peaceful life for centuries despite their differences.

The Zionists came and destroyed all that.

The Arab Palestinians got along fine with the Jewish people as long as the Jewish people didn't have equal rights. Still the case. Look at the Temple Mount as an example. As long as the Jewish people accept their lack of rights, the Arabs get along fine with them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, and the Palestinians led a relatively peaceful life for centuries despite their differences.

The Zionists came and destroyed all that.

The Arab Palestinians got along fine with the Jewish people as long as the Jewish people didn't have equal rights. Still the case. Look at the Temple Mount as an example. As long as the Jewish people accept their lack of rights, the Arabs get along fine with them.

Were the Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews all "Arabs?"

 

[westwall]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

 

[westwall]

Indeed, and the Palestinians led a relatively peaceful life for centuries despite their differences.

The Zionists came and destroyed all that.

The Arab Palestinians got along fine with the Jewish people as long as the Jewish people didn't have equal rights. Still the case. Look at the Temple Mount as an example. As long as the Jewish people accept their lack of rights, the Arabs get along fine with them.

Were the Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews all "Arabs?"

Depends on the time frame you're talking about. After about the year 700 the majority were indeed Arab.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, and the Palestinians led a relatively peaceful life for centuries despite their differences.

The Zionists came and destroyed all that.

The Arab Palestinians got along fine with the Jewish people as long as the Jewish people didn't have equal rights. Still the case. Look at the Temple Mount as an example. As long as the Jewish people accept their lack of rights, the Arabs get along fine with them.

Were the Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews all "Arabs?"

Depends on the time frame you're talking about. After about the year 700 the majority were indeed Arab.

Majority? OK, but what about the rest of them?

And why should they be separated out as a separate category of people?

 

[peach174]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

I stated historical fact.
That would also include archeological facts about it.

And you have no idea how much I know or don't know about the Talmud. We have never had a conversation about it before have we? I don't think so. If so tell me where we did if you think we did.
Which Talmud are you talking about?
The Babylonian one or the Jerusalem one?

 

[Eloy]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

 

[rylah]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

How typical, team Palestine is fixated on blood purity studies, and manipulation of them.

The real headline of Your study:
"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages"
We're talking about a period of roughly between 3.3 million years ago until 5,300 years ago.

But then again we have:

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

Jews cluster mostly with the Druze and Lebanese Christians while Palestinian Arabs with Saudis, Jordanians and Bedouins :

 

[westwall]

They did not convert to Judaism they brought Judaism to Europe.
Jews even in Europe refused Christianity.
Learn some actual history rather than that lie being spread.
I have no idea where you got that from but it is not true.

How do you know they didn't convert? Where's that "actual history" of them not converting? You just make up sh1t and lie.

Before you ask where's the history of them converting, it's you who claimed actual history shows they didn't convert. You have no knowledge that they didn't convert. And, only your ignorance of Talmudism makes you think it even matters. They might as well all converted, because it makes no difference.

Where's your source for your claim they did? When you accuse someone of lying best be looking in the mirror, cupcake.

"Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism, possibly around the time of the early Roman empire, concludes a new genetic study that casts doubt on many prevailing theories about the origins of Ashkenazim."
Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism

How typical, team Palestine is fixated on blood purity studies, and manipulation of them.

The real headline of Your study:
"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages"
We're talking about a period of roughly between 3.3 million years ago until 5,300 years ago.

But then again we have:

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

Jews cluster mostly with the Druze and Lebanese Christians while Palestinian Arabs with Saudis, Jordanians and Bedouins :

They have to lie. History, and genetics prove their assertions are false. But damn it, they want to get rid of those pesky Jews!