Zone1 We need a left vs. right experiment

Well, two points:
  1. Just because the state needs the water doesn't mean this plant would have been a good solution to it. Desalination is a last-resort solution which has the endemic problem of increasing salinity in the water where you get it. No matter what, unless you have strong currents and turbulence naturally all of the time, the net loss of water compared to the salt returned results in an overall general alkalination of the region adversely affecting all life there.
  2. The other point is why do firefighters need desalinated drinking water? Isn't sea water wet too? We are talking two different standards here. Far better to put the burning neighborhood or whatever out than to let it all burn just because you don't want a little saltwater on your petunias.
Every solution is a trade off of some kind. Realistically, a state like California should have a back up emergency reserve system in place where if needed, they can cut into a back up of either directly sourcing water from the ocean or from some large storage tank kept filled with slowly-recycled sea water ready for use circulated just enough to keep it from getting stagnant, and cut this supply into the fire hydrant supply system which should be able to be isolated or kept isolated from the general drinking supply.

Fighting fires should never impact the general public water supply in any adequate, well-thought out system, ESPECIALLY in one so pricey and budget-overrun as in California, where consumers certainly get the shaft.


Good points in a way but the bottom line is that a Carbon Tax is needed to give the government the perfect excuse to take over total control of the economy and shut down our ability to drive more than perhaps fifteen minutes or so.


The Bill Gates "Innovating to zero" lecture and plan depends totally on the Al Gore Carbon Tax plan.

The truth about the value of mega-scale desalination is potentially so good that Bill Gates and those who promote him as the poster boy for Neo-Malthusianism do not want the truth about how best to stabilize the climate to come out.



Will world peace begin with immigrants from many nations who go to Canada and find out ways to address the root causes of the conflicts that were going on in the nations that they left?

I am hopeful that this will be the case, for example, immigrants to Canada from the Middle East may be able to turn the world away from the Al Gore Carbon Tax Theory and the Bill Gates, "Innovation to zero" emissions theory, and instead adopt the more down to earth approach to Climate Change advocated in the Jewish, Islamic and Christian scriptures as well as by a New Mexico biologist and coach.

Here is an ancient Islamic prediction that sounds like a brilliant response to both the threat of rising ocean levels... as well as to the Economic Crisis that it appears some influential people seem to want to occur.
Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)


... "The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joyand singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the
excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.

....
Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongueof the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out,
and streams in the desert.
And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water:
in the habitation of dragons,where
each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes." (Isaiah 35 : 1, 2, 6, 7 ).

A New Mexico biologist and coach wrote up an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that fits well with these ancient Islamic and Jewish predictions for the last decades and centuries of human history before our Creator gives us a utopian world where the Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh.

New Mexico biologist and coach Carl Cantrell.....
"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breath, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere, carried away by running surface water such as rain fall, is carried away to other areas by our winds, and diffuses down into the soil towards the earth's crust. All of this warms our planet increasing its average temperature.

Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes. This is very critical because warmer and dryer winds dry out other land areas faster decreasing the vegetation on those land areas. Less humidity in the air also reflects less sun light back out into space so that more sun light strikes the earth and more heat is generated.

The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave.

So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive.

Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds

This will do a number of things. First, it will increase the moisture in the desert soil so that it will develop water tables and water will begin to run in the streams. This water will increase the amount of vegetation in the area and decrease the amount of heat being generated by sun light cooling the watered area and all areas down wind of the watered area. As more available water evaporates, it will cool the air and reflect more sun light back out into space cooling the area even more. Cooler and more humid air will have less of a heating effect on areas down wind and will reflect more sun light back into space in those areas cooling areas we won't be watering yet. Cooler and more humid air will also have less of a warming effect on our seas and oceans.

Rain water running off of cooler soil will decrease the heating effect on our oceans and our planet crusts which will decrease catastrophic storm activities for other areas and seismic activity for the entire planet. Also, returning more ocean water to the surface and aquifers of our continents will lower the sea levels providing more usable land for us to farm and build on.

With cooler desert areas and increasing vegetation, less water will evaporate from our deserts increasing the amount of surface water even more and increasing the amount of vegetation and animal life by huge amounts because deserts currently take up more than 20% of our land surface. Populations will be able to spread out and there will be less competition for existing land areas.

This strategy has to be done in steps with the first step being to begin slowing the rate at which our global warming is increasing. We need to focus on that until we have brought it to a point to where the temperature is not increasing any more and is reasonably stable. While we are doing this, we need to come to a global consensus of just how cool we want to cool our planet down to. If we cool it down too much, we will begin to have devastatingly harsh winters in large populated areas and even cause an ice age to set in.

Then we begin cooling the planet down to a point which will be most beneficial for all countries or the planet as a whole. We need to gradually bring the temperature down because there may be a lag effect in which the planet will continue cooling after we stop increasing our efforts to cool it off more. We may even want to stop cooling the planet once or twice before we reach our targeted temperatures to see if there is a lag effect


We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time. (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell).
 
Create 2 areas in states that happen to have space. Both are given equal resources. One area is governed by leftist Democrat morality, policy, and desired societal norms, the other is governed by the same on the right Conservative side.

I would love to watch the outcome (as a Conservative, I know which would completely fail)
Venezuela is a great example in South America.
 
We have. We've done the Supply Side nonsense since Reagan, we've seen 36 Trillion in new debt and the economy has gotten much worse since then.
Define supply side. Prove Reagan announced he used that system?
Jimmy Carter in fact deregulated and cut taxes. Why wasn't he supply side?
 
We do that every four to eight years, when the great unwashed forget how bad Republicans are at governing, and put them into office, only to watch them run the country into the ground.

We are amazingly doing it again, right now.
Ummm, darlin’. Why not compare today’s US GDP, inflation numbers, stock market, employment numbers to the disaster of the Biden (democrat) Clown Show?
 
Create 2 areas in states that happen to have space. Both are given equal resources. One area is governed by leftist Democrat morality, policy, and desired societal norms, the other is governed by the same on the right Conservative side.

I would love to watch the outcome (as a Conservative, I know which would completely fail)

I’d like to see it too.

Who are you going to blame?
 
We already have all of the experiment we need. Just witness the difference in how blue states are run compared to red states.
Yeah. red states are poverty hives. The only 2 red states (primarily) that matter only matter because of globalization.
 
Create 2 areas in states that happen to have space. Both are given equal resources. One area is governed by leftist Democrat morality, policy, and desired societal norms, the other is governed by the same on the right Conservative side.

I would love to watch the outcome (as a Conservative, I know which would completely fail)
You already have that in every state. Dallas vs East Texas for example. Any rural area vs metroplex.
 
Look at Americas economy numbers and get back to me, and don’t make me laugh as you’re a leftist talking about concerns of the debt. That’s cute.

Um, let's get real here, guy. Before Ronnie Ray-Gun screwed up the tax system, we ran up less than a trillion dollars of debt in the previous 200 years, despite fighting two world wars, having dozens of smaller ones, buidling an interstate highway system, etc.

Then in 12 years, he and Poppy Bush quadrupled the debt, and it's been on an upward trajectory ever since. The only guy who put a dent in it was Slick Willy, and that was because he raised taxes on the rich before Dubya Bush cut taxes for billionaires and put a war on a credit card.

Our economy is in the shitter right now, and it's going to get so much worse under Trump.

10 of the last 11 recessions happened when Republicans were in charge. Soon to be 11 out of 12. It's not a bug, it's a design feature.


Because influence is not the same as murder. We know marriage and family is good for women.. let’s celebrate that, at least in the conservative area. You’re free to continue to encourage them to be sexualized, promiscuous, masculine, bitter, aggressive individuals that men don’t want

Conservative women are having just as many abortions as liberal women. Probably more because the dumbasses don't know how to use contraception properly.

still waiting for your evidence of this wild claim
Kellerman study. Look it up.
 
Create 2 areas in states that happen to have space. Both are given equal resources. One area is governed by leftist Democrat morality, policy, and desired societal norms, the other is governed by the same on the right Conservative side.

I would love to watch the outcome (as a Conservative, I know which would completely fail)

Both will fail. Both are corrupt. They just may fail at different speeds.

Jews always Benjamin Netanyahu.webp
 
Conservative women are having just as many abortions as liberal women. Probably more because the dumbasses don't know how to use contraception properly.
I think you made that up. Feel free to provide any support of that claim. If not, I expect you to cede that you were peddling misinformation
 
Kellerman study. Look it up.
I did, yikes, what a hack study
  • He refused to release his data
  • He ignored defensive gun use to save lives and protect families
  • He used funding from the CDC, which by law is not allowed to advocate for or promote gun control

And finally, it’s just a dumb daft correlation argument. It’s like saying people are 50x likely to die from a car accident if they own a car. Like, no shit Sherlock, owning something puts you at risk of it. LOL. Does that mean we should ban or heavily restrict cars?
 
I did, yikes, what a hack study
  • He refused to release his data
  • He ignored defensive gun use to save lives and protect families
  • He used funding from the CDC, which by law is not allowed to advocate for or promote gun control

Actually, you have it a little confused. He got funding from the CDC, and after that study, the National Rampage Association went whining to Congress to get the CDC to not fund gun studies anymore.

Kellerman was very simple. He studies all gun deaths in Keane Co, WA.

And he found the total number of suicides, domestic homicides, and accidents outnumbered the number of self-defense homicides by 43-1.
 
No we don't. We have national cultural influences that spread across right and left states.

I'm talking about highly quarantined areas where Conservatives and Leftists can operate their societies based on their clear proclaimed principles.

For example:

Conservative Society
  • Tax Cuts, promoting self-determinism and personal growth, and shaming people who envy
  • Minimal abortion or making it illegal and making a heavy stigma on people who get them.
  • Maintaining gun laws and pushing a neutral/positive stigma onto them as protection
  • Identifying people who are obese as being in bad shape and needing change/help.
  • 2 sexes, men are men and women are women
  • Jobs, schooling, etc. all based on merit.
  • Education based on basic math, traditional literature, western philosophy, Judeo-Christian values
  • Celebrated women are those that are chaste, married, have children, supportive, cooperative as the most successful
  • Vetting all immigration and demanding they participate in our society, with heavy borders to keep out illegals

Leftist Society
  • High taxes, focusing on the evil greed and the wealthy
  • Make abortion abundant, minimize them to nothing more than getting a hang nail removed, or celebrate them.
  • Make guns illegal or severely remove them from society
  • Protect obese people and celebrate them as fine just the way they are
  • Trans ideology
  • Jobs, schooling etc involving DEI quotas for race, sex, trans identification, sexual orientation, etc.
  • Education based on social issues, CRT, 1619 project, anti-religion, demonizing America and the west.
  • Celebrated women are those that are highly sexual, masculine, alpha, single/divorced, combative.
  • Open borders or no walls and little desire to enforce a border because it's immoral to keep people out.

I could go on.

The areas need to be able to enforce their values onto the public absolutely. You can shame people who need to be shamed. Both sides can use this, along with whatever propaganda needed to push their values.. and we'll see what happens.

But we know what would happen. The leftist society would turn into a drug-infested, high crime, wondering/depressed impoverished 3rd world wasteland, and the Conservative area would improve, be highly functional, charitable, efficient, low in crime, and motivated/stable populace.
Are you going to build a Berlin-style to keep people from choosing their side? I'm wondering which trans, gays, feminists, poor, and the disabled would choose. Not to mention the rich, the gun-lovers, and the racists.
 
Actually, you have it a little confused. He got funding from the CDC, and after that study, the National Rampage Association went whining to Congress to get the CDC to not fund gun studies anymore.

Kellerman was very simple. He studies all gun deaths in Keane Co, WA.

And he found the total number of suicides, domestic homicides, and accidents outnumbered the number of self-defense homicides by 43-1.
Just reread my post since you didn’t address it.
 
Ummm, darlin’. Why not compare today’s US GDP, inflation numbers, stock market, employment numbers to the disaster of the Biden (democrat) Clown Show?

FACT - According to JoeB131, apparently the Left rely of the Great Unwashed rabble of the country for their direction and support. Goes a long way of explaining a lot.

FACT - Apparently no matter how the country, economy, stock market, crime figures and unemployment are REALLY doing, they only accept and rely upon news vendors which only tell them all is doom & gloom all the time under the horrid republican rule! So, no matter what, NOTHING is ever any good without THEM in power.

That is why you never get an answer or a diversion--- they know.
 
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Just reread my post since you didn’t address it.

Sure I did. I just gave you an answer you didn't like.

FACT - According to JoeB131, apparently the Left rely of the Great Unwashed rabble of the country for their direction and support. Goes a long way of explaining a lot.

Actually, the unwashed rabble live in the red states and support Trump.

FACT - Apparently no matter how the country, economy, stock market, crime figures and unemployment are REALLY doing, they only accept and rely upon news vendors which only tell them all is doom & gloom all the time under the horrid republican rule! So, no matter what, NOTHING is ever any good without THEM in power.

Because any figures coming from this government are bullshit.

Most of us can see the mass layoffs and the unanswered resumes to know the economy is in the shitter.
 
Create 2 areas in states that happen to have space. Both are given equal resources. One area is governed by leftist Democrat morality, policy, and desired societal norms, the other is governed by the same on the right Conservative side.

I would love to watch the outcome (as a Conservative, I know which would completely fail)
We already did that. Look at Sam Brownback's "Great Red State Experiment".

Kansas is still recovering years later.
 
Sure I did. I just gave you an answer you didn't like.
You didn’t address they kept the data hidden, it’s methodology errors, or how it’s not a point against guns at all, similarly with the car example I gave.
 
You didn’t address they kept the data hidden, it’s methodology errors, or how it’s not a point against guns at all, similarly with the car example I gave.

No, I didn't waste my time with the usual gun fetishist deflections.

America will be a better place when we start loving our children more than we love our guns.
 

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