Zone1 What are "Rights"? Should we allow them to the other side?

[the watcher]

I like to refer to our rights as also being a resonsibility,,
meaning if I expect to have those rights its on me to defend others rights,,

that being said,
if the other person doesnt believe my rights should be protected then theres no reason for me to honor or protect their "rights"

I disagree with what you claim about christians,,

and why does no one ever bring up islam when slamming religion??

they are mandated to kill or enslave non believers of islam,,

If the founders had known that we would become such self centered and entitled assholes, they would have written a Bill of Responsibilities instead of a Bill of Rights. I do think they figured out how it would go, though, and did their best. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” (United States of America)

Benjamin Franklin

 

[progressive hunter]

I am not concerned with the health of a fertilized egg and would not call it a "child".


I would not kill a child but when a late term abortion generally means there are critical health issues so the decisions are "clear".


A fertilized egg is not a person of value, it is essentially just a bag of DNA, an organic molecule, little different from what's in other cells. Until it develops the characteristics that make humans unique, it IS a clump of cells. If that makes me inhuman and evil, I'm in good company since that would be the prevailing opinion in the US.

fertilize is a process that last seconds,, and what you call it is irrelevant,, it is a human child as per biology and the definition,,

of course you wouldnt personally kill it because youre a coward that lets others do your killing for you,,

again fertilize is a process not a thing,,
wouldnt expect you to value any human life let alone that of an innocent child,,
DNA is what makes humans distinct and thats created at the time of fertilization,,

 

[progressive hunter]

It appears we have reached agreement. Aborting a fertilized egg is, while not a good thing, is acceptable. Aborting a late term pregnancy is not acceptable except under extreme and rare circumstances. I don't know where to draw that line between the two, do you?

again fertilize is a process not a thing,,

you abort a child not an egg,,

why kill the child in a late term when just removing it alive rresults in the same thing,,

youre just showing you dont value human life because youre not human,,

 

[DStar777]

Why is it that conservatives only like democracy when it goes their way?

.. and liberals are perfectly fine with the results when they lose? Come on, don't make me laugh.

 

[alang1216]

fertilize is a process that last seconds,, and what you call it is irrelevant,, it is a human child as per biology and the definition,,

How you define it is irrelevant as there are many definitions of "human" and "child".

of course you wouldnt personally kill it because youre a coward that lets others do your killing for you,,

I doubt any pregnant woman in their right mind would ask me to perform any medical procedure.

again fertilize is a process not a thing,,

A fertilized egg is a thing.

wouldnt expect you to value any human life let alone that of an innocent child,,

I do value every human life, especially that of an innocent child, I just don't accept your definitions of them.

DNA is what makes humans distinct and thats created at the time of fertilization,,

It is likely that every strand of DNA on the planet is unique in some way and that includes all eggs and sperm. So what?

 

[alang1216]

again fertilize is a process not a thing,,

Again, a fertilized egg is a thing.

you abort a child not an egg,,

I would abort an egg not a child. I consider them as VERY different.

why kill the child in a late term when just removing it alive rresults in the same thing,,

If that is the case, I'm fine with keeping it alive.

youre just showing you dont value human life because youre not human,,

You're just showing you don't know what a human is so you value a molecule.

 

[alang1216]

.. and liberals are perfectly fine with the results when they lose? Come on, don't make me laugh.

They are not fine when they lose but they don't storm the Capitol either.

 

[progressive hunter]

How you define it is irrelevant as there are many definitions of "human" and "child".


I doubt any pregnant woman in their right mind would ask me to perform any medical procedure.


A fertilized egg is a thing.


I do value every human life, especially that of an innocent child, I just don't accept your definitions of them.


It is likely that every strand of DNA on the planet is unique in some way and that includes all eggs and sperm. So what?

there are very few definitions of a child and all of them cover the child in the womb,,
you should buy a dictionary before you shoot off your mouth,,

a fertilized egg is but a moment in time because science has shown at that point its starts the decades long growth process,,

its not my definition of a child, its biology, science and academia's definition,,

again buy a dictionary before you speak further because youre turning out to be a monster,,

 

[progressive hunter]

They are not fine when they lose but they don't storm the Capitol either.

they attack the whitehouse and peoples homes and businesses,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Again, a fertilized egg is a thing.


I would abort an egg not a child. I consider them as VERY different.


If that is the case, I'm fine with keeping it alive.


You're just showing you don't know what a human is so you value a molecule.

and yet 100% of abortions kill an innocent child not an egg,,

 

[Hafar1014]

"Rights" are an illusion of power.

"Rights" is what the government decides to give you, so you can think you have some control and power over what you do and say.
But we all know thats all a big, fat lie. The government has the control, and when we peons move too far out of our assigned "rights", then the government starts threatening to react to our responses.

But, the more money you have, and the more of that money you "invest" in that government, the more YOU have in the ways of rights and freedoms. But, the instant you run out of money, so do your special rights and freedoms. Then you are just one of us peons.

All is well and fine, until you start coloring outside the lines. Then the government either puts the fear of Big Brother into you, or they just squash you altogether.

As long as your "rights" are used within their drawn lines, you are fine to think you have control and power. Thats the way they want it.
Thats the way it's always been. All governments are like this. The only differences are the levels of "rights" the government decides to give you and the punishments they give, as well as where the lines are that you are never to cross.

You get an F in civics. The government cant give us rights

 

[Hafar1014]

It doesn't mean we shouldn't do those things, it's just important to not imprint the idea onto leftism and assume they'll act in kind, because they won't. It's like when humans imprint human-characteristics onto animals, but then get mauled by a bear. Average, moderate voters need to know this.

There's no reason why a leftist progressive wouldn't take your rights away, there's no higher moral foundation. If they desire it, they'll do it. It's 3rd world justice in government.

Thats why we have the 2nd amendment

 

[alang1216]

there are very few definitions of a child and all of them cover the child in the womb,,
you should buy a dictionary before you shoot off your mouth,,

One of us should. Child

A child (pl. children) is a human being between the stages of birth and puberty,[1][2] or between the developmental period of infancy and puberty.[3]

a fertilized egg is but a moment in time because science has shown at that point its starts the decades long growth process,,

So when does it stop being a fertilized egg?

its not my definition of a child, its biology, science and academia's definition,,

again buy a dictionary before you speak further because youre turning out to be a monster,,

It is the definition you choose and ignore any others. In the biological sciences, a child is usually defined as a person between birth and puberty,[1][2] or between the developmental period of infancy and puberty.[3]

 

[alang1216]

they attack the whitehouse and peoples homes and businesses,,

Yes, there a lot of angry and deranged people on both sides. Just ask Nancy Pelosi's husband.

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes, there a lot of angry and deranged people on both sides. Just ask Nancy Pelosi's husband.

and yet when the topic is about direct violence against the government you ignore decades of it from the left for that singular event from the right,,

 

[alang1216]

and yet when the topic is about direct violence against the government you ignore decades of it from the left for that singular event from the right,,

I don't ignore nor dismiss ANY violence against our government from either side. Peaceful protests only. That is the difference between the left and MAGA today. The left has not given up on making the US a better place for all. MAGA has lost faith in American democracy and wants to tear it all down and start over.

 

[progressive hunter]

I don't ignore nor dismiss ANY violence against our government from either side. Peaceful protests only. That is the difference between the left and MAGA today. The left has not given up on making the US a better place for all. MAGA has lost faith in American democracy and wants to tear it all down and start over.

america is a constitutional republic not a democracy,,

 

[alang1216]

america is a constitutional republic not a democracy,,

The United States is accurately described as a constitutional federal republic that operates through democratic processes, rather than a direct democracy. It is a system where citizens elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf, governed by a Constitution that limits the power of the majority to protect individual rights.

Key details regarding the U.S. form of government:

• Constitutional Republic: Power is held by the people but exercised through elected officials, with a supreme, written law (the Constitution) that restricts government power.
• Democratic Features:The U.S. is "democratic" because citizens elect their leaders at federal, state, and local levels, reflecting a system based on the consent of the governed
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• • Representative vs. Direct: Unlike a direct democracy, where citizens vote on all laws, the U.S. uses a representative model, such as Congress.
  • Purpose: The Framers designed a republic to avoid the dangers of pure majority rule (mob rule) and to ensure checks and balances.

While some argue the U.S. is not a democracy at all, most political definitions describe it as a representative democracy or constitutional republic.

 

[progressive hunter]

The United States is accurately described as a constitutional federal republic that operates through democratic processes, rather than a direct democracy. It is a system where citizens elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf, governed by a Constitution that limits the power of the majority to protect individual rights.

Key details regarding the U.S. form of government:

• Constitutional Republic: Power is held by the people but exercised through elected officials, with a supreme, written law (the Constitution) that restricts government power.
• Democratic Features:The U.S. is "democratic" because citizens elect their leaders at federal, state, and local levels, reflecting a system based on the consent of the governed
  .
• • Representative vs. Direct: Unlike a direct democracy, where citizens vote on all laws, the U.S. uses a representative model, such as Congress.
  • Purpose: The Framers designed a republic to avoid the dangers of pure majority rule (mob rule) and to ensure checks and balances.

While some argue the U.S. is not a democracy at all, most political definitions describe it as a representative democracy or constitutional republic.

so why do you keep calling us a democracy when as your points prove it is not??

honesty is not your strong suit,,

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Rights are restricted to pertaining to the individual.
Anything involving others would constitute privilege and would come with conditions.