We don’t need to go into an economic depression

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If everything...and I do mean EVERYTHING shut down......that would include those bills...……..what's there to afford??? During such a shut down, any bills incurred or not paid during the shut down would be added to your normal billing cycle but on a payment plan like adding an additional amount to the normal payment, paid back when shut down is over & everything back up & running. Limiting the time to pay it back to within a year or 2 at most.
If everything is shut down, that wouldn't just mean the exchange of money; it would mean the production and distribution of food, medicines, utilities, services—everything.

What are people supposed to eat, when they cannot get food? What are people supposed to drink, when the supply of tap water stops flowing? What will happen to sanitation, when the sewers back up? Of course, you'll also have no electricity or gas with which to heat or cool your home, or to operate any appliances.

When there are far more people trying to survive under what, in effect, are stone-age conditions, with no technology, than the land can come anywhere close to supporting without modern technology, how many will survive?

NO...…..most utilities are digital or computerized and would still remain available. Any employees needed to keep it running would have to venture out for that purpose, but only the absolute neccessary to do so.

Any and all foods, medicines, or supplies be purchased in advance (may have to go on the future payment plan to do so).

No production would be needed, if it's prepared for in advance. The biggest issue would be healthcare related.......anyone with existing serious health issues, in hospitals or other facilities....that's where it could be the biggest problem
you're a loon. You need cops to protect against criminals who obviously won’t be following the rules. You need firemen to put out fires. Utility company’s are not digital, and need workers in the field. Crops and food goes bad if it’s not maintained.... I could keep going but I think you get the point. If you don’t then you are an idiot... and you still haven’t explained why it’s not a better idea for the government to just pay all the bills during the shut down

I may very well be a loon...…..but I do know that having the government pay for everything including business, people, corporations, etc by the trillion$ is not going to avoid an economic depression, but quite the opposite and very possibly a complete collapse
 

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Economic collapse was inevitable, many people have been predicting this for a very long time. It is not because of this scamdemic, it's because our monetary system is a sham. It appears that we're being taken toward an entirely different system, so the existing one has to be destroyed.

Personally I don't believe anything that comes from the government or media, and I say that based on many years of research into the corruption, lies and subversion. I keep hearing from a number of different people that the COVID-19 test is not reliable, so the data is flawed. I definitely don't believe the numbers, the whole thing stinks to high heaven to me. Also I have been seeing a number of news stories shown to be flat out false, there is so much BS being flung out there right now, I'm amazed that so many people blindly believe it all, without question. At least here on this site. On other sites on the web it's a very different story, thank God.
 

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To avoid an economic depression the government needs to grant money to businesses so they can make rent, basic op expenses and pay employees. The gov also needs to provide funds to the unemployed so they can pay rent and bills. If they do this we avoid a depression. To do this a much larger “stimulus” bill needs to be passed. We also need to coordinate with allied countries. If done correctly there should not be mass lay offs or any businesses shutting down... and there should not be a recession/depression beyond the life of the virus shit down.

What’s wrong with my theory? Can anybody explain why it would not work?
My guess is that the first package was just the beginning, and they know it. They'll throw everything at this.

Final tally: $10 trillion, $15 trillion, $30 trillion? It won't matter. The Fed's balance sheet is about to explode. We'll deal with the repercussions of that later.
 

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And why not just shut everything down for 2 months, everything put on hold. No stimulus paid to anyone. Then open it all back up, people go back to their jobs and pay a little each month to catch up for the 2 months down.

Extreme strategy but sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. I doubt anyone would agree to it either.
You shut a small business down for two months and most of them never come back.
 

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Final tally: $10 trillion, $15 trillion, $30 trillion? It won't matter. The Fed's balance sheet is about to explode. We'll deal with the repercussions of that later.
Yup. There is NO choice

This is a game changer
 

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To avoid an economic depression the government needs to grant money to businesses so they can make rent, basic op expenses and pay employees. The gov also needs to provide funds to the unemployed so they can pay rent and bills. If they do this we avoid a depression. To do this a much larger “stimulus” bill needs to be passed. We also need to coordinate with allied countries. If done correctly there should not be mass lay offs or any businesses shutting down... and there should not be a recession/depression beyond the life of the virus shit down.

What’s wrong with my theory? Can anybody explain why it would not work?
Or maybe in two or three weeks these "models" will be revealed to have been inflated and we can get back to work.

Also, antibodies will reveal that a lot of us have been exposed, and we can get back to work.

That's how we really avoid a full on depression.
 

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Final tally: $10 trillion, $15 trillion, $30 trillion? It won't matter. The Fed's balance sheet is about to explode. We'll deal with the repercussions of that later.
Yup. There is NO choice

This is a game changer
I think that the role of the Fed - flexing its muscles, buying & selling securities, expanding and contracting its balance sheet like it's breathing - changed after the Meltdown. It's a new tool, and I think it's now a permanent part of the economic structure. For better or for worse. The Fed and the policymakers are now inextricably linked.

Those who (pretend to) hate big government are obediently following right along, of course.
 

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Or maybe in two or three weeks these "models" will be revealed to have been inflated and we can get back to work.

Also, antibodies will reveal that a lot of us have been exposed, and we can get back to work.

That's how we really avoid a full on depression.
Until we know any of that to be FACT...we have no choice but to stay locked down.

It sucks but it's the reality
 

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And why not just shut everything down for 2 months, everything put on hold. No stimulus paid to anyone. Then open it all back up, people go back to their jobs and pay a little each month to catch up for the 2 months down.

Extreme strategy but sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. I doubt anyone would agree to it either.
Why 2 months ? You expecting a miracle ? how about 3 years instead ? 5 am. Time for coffee and todays body count.
 

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Or maybe in two or three weeks these "models" will be revealed to have been inflated and we can get back to work.

Also, antibodies will reveal that a lot of us have been exposed, and we can get back to work.

That's how we really avoid a full on depression.
Until we know any of that to be FACT...we have no choice but to stay locked down.

It sucks but it's the reality
What do you mean we have no choice? What is this a dictatorship?

You Leftists always accept orders way too easily, it's spooky. We've been locked into our homes and you just say yes sir may I have another
 

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If everything...and I do mean EVERYTHING shut down......that would include those bills...……..what's there to afford??? During such a shut down, any bills incurred or not paid during the shut down would be added to your normal billing cycle but on a payment plan like adding an additional amount to the normal payment, paid back when shut down is over & everything back up & running. Limiting the time to pay it back to within a year or 2 at most.
If everything is shut down, that wouldn't just mean the exchange of money; it would mean the production and distribution of food, medicines, utilities, services—everything.

What are people supposed to eat, when they cannot get food? What are people supposed to drink, when the supply of tap water stops flowing? What will happen to sanitation, when the sewers back up? Of course, you'll also have no electricity or gas with which to heat or cool your home, or to operate any appliances.

When there are far more people trying to survive under what, in effect, are stone-age conditions, with no technology, than the land can come anywhere close to supporting without modern technology, how many will survive?

NO...…..most utilities are digital or computerized and would still remain available. Any employees needed to keep it running would have to venture out for that purpose, but only the absolute neccessary to do so.

Any and all foods, medicines, or supplies be purchased in advance (may have to go on the future payment plan to do so).

No production would be needed, if it's prepared for in advance. The biggest issue would be healthcare related.......anyone with existing serious health issues, in hospitals or other facilities....that's where it could be the biggest problem
you're a loon. You need cops to protect against criminals who obviously won’t be following the rules. You need firemen to put out fires. Utility company’s are not digital, and need workers in the field. Crops and food goes bad if it’s not maintained.... I could keep going but I think you get the point. If you don’t then you are an idiot... and you still haven’t explained why it’s not a better idea for the government to just pay all the bills during the shut down
Where I come from the cops are needed to see how good a shot you are if some idiot tries to break into your house. The criminals are protected from the law abiding citizens with Laws full of loop holes to defend them...........without that they wouldn't really want to ROB an ARMED POPULATION.

They sure as hell don't want to try it here.......because the neighbors would be arguing on who gets to take the sorry Crininals butt out.

Oh.........I'm sorry.......SOCIALISM GOOD THREAD........

Go back to work.......take the dang damage.........and stop a DEPRESSION.......everyone take the best precautions they can while working.....there ya go.........
 

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What do you mean we have no choice? What is this a dictatorship?
No. It's a world wide PANDEMIC dumbass
You Leftists always accept orders way too easily, it's spooky. We've been locked into our homes and you just say yes sir may I have another
Grow up honey. I'm trying to keep you alive. Not that you're actually worth saving but...
 

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Economic collapse was inevitable, many people have been predicting this for a very long time. It is not because of this scamdemic, it's because our monetary system is a sham. It appears that we're being taken toward an entirely different system, so the existing one has to be destroyed.

Personally I don't believe anything that comes from the government or media, and I say that based on many years of research into the corruption, lies and subversion. I keep hearing from a number of different people that the COVID-19 test is not reliable, so the data is flawed. I definitely don't believe the numbers, the whole thing stinks to high heaven to me. Also I have been seeing a number of news stories shown to be flat out false, there is so much BS being flung out there right now, I'm amazed that so many people blindly believe it all, without question. At least here on this site. On other sites on the web it's a very different story, thank God.
It is the biggest money laundering scheme in the history of the world.........by allowing the gov't have too much power.........and they are controlled by the Globalist who basically own everything.........who own the ZOMBIE BANKS......who have an open door policy at the back door of the Federal Reserve and the IMF..........

They have been saying GLOBAL RESET FOREVER......and then they will say to the masses ......WE WILL RESET THE DEBT.........it's OUR ONLY HOPE...........and go to Electronic currency where they can hit an enter button anytime they please for money...........They already do that.
 

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To avoid an economic depression the government needs to grant money to businesses so they can make rent, basic op expenses and pay employees. The gov also needs to provide funds to the unemployed so they can pay rent and bills. If they do this we avoid a depression. To do this a much larger “stimulus” bill needs to be passed. We also need to coordinate with allied countries. If done correctly there should not be mass lay offs or any businesses shutting down... and there should not be a recession/depression beyond the life of the virus shit down.

What’s wrong with my theory? Can anybody explain why it would not work?
In order for that to work, it must be implemented competently. You see where that is going.

It won't work if help doesn't arrive for those most vulnerable, those who can't miss a paycheck or a month's worth of revenue. Oh, I'm sure, Boeing will be saved. The restaurant owner or lowly worker? Well...

Also, that may work for two months, but it probably won't work if this lasts six months. What do you think will happen if New York and California happily get out of their lock-down and resume normal activity, and then newly infected goofs from the retarded red states without lock-downs travel to New York or LA to have a party? Creating a few thousand new clusters here and there and everywhere?

The same, or similar, applies internationally, which would not just mean coordinating with "allied countries", but to help avoid the spread in the global South - because from there it's going to come back. As it is right now, the West is buying up every last item of supplies needed to deal with the pandemic, out-bidding the South at every opportunity. So, internationally, what do you think is going to happen?

Last but not least, of course the federal government can probably raise $6 or 8tn. It will be crippled thereafter, even less capable to deal with whatever comes along. The same applies to states and their budgets / debt levels. That's to say, now it's time to raise a wealth tax, getting their hands on the profits they let escape nearly untaxed, so as to avoid over-indebtedness. Yeah, fat chance.
 

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What do you mean we have no choice? What is this a dictatorship?
No. It's a world wide PANDEMIC dumbass
You Leftists always accept orders way too easily, it's spooky. We've been locked into our homes and you just say yes sir may I have another
Grow up honey. I'm trying to keep you alive. Not that you're actually worth saving but...
Who the FUCK ASKED YOU.........Mind your own Fing Business........You think you have the right to tell others what to do...........why you have driven California into the ground............

And look at where the virus is mainly at........in BLUE HIVES.....not Fly over states....
 

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To avoid an economic depression the government needs to grant money to businesses so they can make rent, basic op expenses and pay employees. The gov also needs to provide funds to the unemployed so they can pay rent and bills. If they do this we avoid a depression. To do this a much larger “stimulus” bill needs to be passed. We also need to coordinate with allied countries. If done correctly there should not be mass lay offs or any businesses shutting down... and there should not be a recession/depression beyond the life of the virus shit down.

What’s wrong with my theory? Can anybody explain why it would not work?

Dr. Fauci et al are talking about an extended lockdown of many months. In the mean time, some people will be working- at places like Walmart and other "life sustaining" businesses. Others will be sitting on their keisters at home.

Why shouldn't those who are working get more than those that aren't? Isn't that a matter of fairness?

Further, when the whole event is over, a lot of the businesses will be obsolete anyhow and close. People will be used to just sitting at home, and ordering some stooge to deliver their beer or whatever,and most brick and mortar stores are never going to reopen.
 

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To avoid an economic depression the government needs to grant money to businesses so they can make rent, basic op expenses and pay employees. The gov also needs to provide funds to the unemployed so they can pay rent and bills. If they do this we avoid a depression. To do this a much larger “stimulus” bill needs to be passed. We also need to coordinate with allied countries. If done correctly there should not be mass lay offs or any businesses shutting down... and there should not be a recession/depression beyond the life of the virus shit down.

What’s wrong with my theory? Can anybody explain why it would not work?

Dr. Fauci et al are talking about an extended lockdown of many months. In the mean time, some people will be working- at places like Walmart and other "life sustaining" businesses. Others will be sitting on their keisters at home.

Why shouldn't those who are working get more than those that aren't? Isn't that a matter of fairness?

Further, when the whole event is over, a lot of the businesses will be obsolete anyhow and close. People will be used to just sitting at home, and ordering some stooge to deliver their beer or whatever,and most brick and mortar stores are never going to reopen.
SMALL BUSINESS WILL DIE.....................Only the big companies will survive it.............kinda the point that they want .............hmmmm
 

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What do you mean we have no choice? What is this a dictatorship?
No. It's a world wide PANDEMIC dumbass
You Leftists always accept orders way too easily, it's spooky. We've been locked into our homes and you just say yes sir may I have another
Grow up honey. I'm trying to keep you alive. Not that you're actually worth saving but...
Leftists are always first to determine who is worth saving and who is not. That's first.

Second, I don't need your help keeping me alive, but you obviously need Big Daddy Govco to orchestrate your every move, and when I tell you that, you really hate it. Which is why you lash out at me.

Cower in the corner and put your thumb back in your mouth and await your next orders like a good little boy
 

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