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Great! Then why would I need to hedge anything? You are contradicting yourself a bit.I'm not saying it works or doesn't work... I'm saying our belief or non beliefs don't impact the eventual outcome.
Seems reasonable. Also seems like a prelude to making excuses for how a benevolent god can exist in a universe with so much suffering.G-d, if she does exist, is ineffable. We can no more know her plans than we can the physical state of Schroedinger's mistreated feline.
Pretty weak equivocation.As for living a lie. We are hairless apes playing at civilisation. Safe to say much of what we say and do are lies.
Sure, well because you say so. Were you molested in the Church?
Call your "Dark Matter" the Aether and we're in (near) total agreement so far. However, there is no "not know" in this case. We "know" there is something there that we just don't fully understand, else there'd be no need for such a placeholder.Before anything can be proved, there has to be a postulation on precisely what it is someone is trying to prove. Without a specific definition what a god is, no one can prove one exists or doesn't. Lack of ability to prove something exists is in no way proof that it doesn't ... see Dark Matter (which we can't). Dark Matter is a construct that fills the knowledge gaps in our current understanding of physics. We cannot know, or not know, it exists... it is a placeholder until we someday (or ever) discover a way to know The Universe more completely.
It's exactly the opposite, imo.The Universe we inhabit is a much more complex place than any human can grok.
There is one dimension - space. Time is our primary measure or coordinate for space. However, if one really must complicate matters, if one's "confirmational bias" for discussing how anything describable as a variable simply must be treated as another mathematical or philosophical dimension, then sure, ridiculous is obviously the limit.We are three dimensional beings who live in a multidimensional universe. Just like the eponymous Flatlanders in Edwin Abbot's book, we are physically incapable of perceiving what exists beyond our own physical dimensions without inference of phenomenon. If we do try to reconcile phenomenon within our sensory limits, we will invariably skew those reconciliations to agree with our limited dimension view of The Universe(s) -- the ultimate confirmational bias.
Indubitably.So -- when I quoted Shakespeare's "Hamlet" by saying, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy", I mean precisely what Shakespeare is saying that no man (or woman) knows everything. There are many things in this world we don't know and about which we cannot even dream.
My lack of faith in the existence of gods (due to there being zero scientifically compelling evidence for any presented thus far) is what defines my identity group - atheist. {Oxford Languages/Google}Lastly, your faith in the non-existence of a god is obviously something you feel strongly about and I would never try to dissuade anyone from their faith. Some people need faith in what they cannot prove as a way of justifying their existence and I won't deprive you of that. I can only say that I hope you find as much comfort in your simplistic static view of The Universe as I find in the fact that you don't believe the same as I.
Faith:noun
- a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
"he is a committed atheist"
Notice how "disbelief" or "lack of faith" is not logically describable as "faith" either way.In the context of religion, one can define faith as "belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion".[3] Religious people often think of faith as confidence based on a perceived degree of warrant,[4][5] while others who are more skeptical of religion tend to think of faith as simply belief without evidence.
But the other poster clearly did say with certainty "There are no gods". Gnostic atheism.Call your "Dark Matter" the Aether and we're in (near) total agreement so far. However, there is no "not know" in this case. We "know" there is something there that we just don't fully understand, else there'd be no need for such a placeholder.
It's exactly the opposite, imo.
There is one dimension - space. Time is our primary measure or coordinate for space. However, if one really must complicate matters, if one's "confirmational bias" for discussing how anything describable as a variable simply must be treated as another mathematical or philosophical dimension, then sure, ridiculous is obviously the limit.
Indubitably.
My lack of faith in the existence of gods (due to there being zero scientifically compelling evidence for any presented thus far) is what defines my identity group - atheist. {Oxford Languages/Google}
Faith:
Notice how "disbelief" or "lack of faith" is not logically describable as "faith" either way.
That's a very poor rebuttal.
I challenge you to prove there is a god or anything religious to be fact.
See how you go with that smart arse.
What a load of rubbish..Before anything can be proved, there has to be a postulation on precisely what it is someone is trying to prove. Without a specific definition what a god is, no one can prove one exists or doesn't. Lack of ability to prove something exists is in no way proof that it doesn't ... see Dark Matter (which we can't). Dark Matter is a construct that fills the knowledge gaps in our current understanding of physics. We cannot know, or not know, it exists... it is a placeholder until we someday (or ever) discover a way to know The Universe more completely.
The Universe we inhabit is a much more complex place than any human can grok. We are three dimensional beings who live in a multidimensional universe. Just like the eponymous Flatlanders in Edwin Abbot's book, we are physically incapable of perceiving what exists beyond our own physical dimensions without inference of phenomenon. If we do try to reconcile phenomenon within our sensory limits, we will invariably skew those reconciliations to agree with our limited dimension view of The Universe(s) -- the ultimate confirmational bias.
So -- when I quoted Shakespeare's "Hamlet" by saying, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy", I mean precisely what Shakespeare is saying that no man (or woman) knows everything. There are many things in this world we don't know and about which we cannot even dream.
Lastly, your faith in the non-existence of a god is obviously something you feel strongly about and I would never try to dissuade anyone from their faith. Some people need faith in what they cannot prove as a way of justifying their existence and I won't deprive you of that. I can only say that I hope you find as much comfort in your simplistic static view of The Universe as I find in the fact that you don't believe the same as I.
What a load of rubbish..
You have no evidence of any supernatural power or three dimensional universe.
Atheism is not a faith so to assimilate it with a religion for instance is absurd.
I don't need a lecture from you as to what or how I should believe. You are so brainwashed about some silly God you're not even prepared to investigate anything other than that. That is not smart.
A childish belief.You're going to hell, we aren't. It's just that simple.
You have no evidence of any three dimensional universe
We can only perceive 3. That doesn't mean this is all there are.How many dimensions do you have in YOUR universe?
Here we Go again. Same old religious threats because I don't believe.You're going to hell, we aren't. It's just that simple.
How many dimensions do you have in YOUR universe?
Also seems like a prelude to making excuses for how a benevolent god can exist in a universe with so much suffering.
I can tell you that if there were more than one, s
The human mind and our knowledge we acquired without the assistance of any gods or fairies seems to be far more benevolent.I'm not sure there is much evidence to support the existence of a benevolent god.
An indifferent god more closely fits the evidence.
On the other hand, evolution requires death and suffering to produce more evolved life forms so, in the long term, perhaps the death and suffering IS benevolent.
We can only perceive 3. That doesn't mean this is all there are.
Correct. Colin and I disagree there. One can't "know" absolutely. That's why I stick to striving for what seems to make the most sense given what we've got to work with.But the other poster clearly did say with certainty "There are no gods". Gnostic atheism.
What are your 3? Does "space" somehow not cover it?We can only perceive 3. That doesn't mean this is all there are.
*3 spatialWhat are your 3? Does "space" somehow not cover it?
Confusing, no? Dictionaries don't help here. Perhaps think of it this way:*3 spatial
Notice how quickly "coordinates" becomes the topic after Wikipedia was supposedly discussing "Three dimensions"? Sometimes being thought of as "Nuts!" and making sense of things is just easier than accepting and regurgitating the established doctrineThere are no standard names for the coordinates in the three axes (however, the terms abscissa, ordinate and applicate are sometimes used). The coordinates are often denoted by the letters X, Y, and Z, or x, y, and z. The axes may then be referred to as the X-axis, Y-axis, and Z-axis, respectively. Then the coordinate hyperplanes can be referred to as the XY-plane, YZ-plane, and XZ-plane.
In mathematics, physics, and engineering contexts, the first two axes are often defined or depicted as horizontal, with the third axis pointing up. In that case the third coordinate may be called height or altitude. The orientation is usually chosen so that the 90 degree angle from the first axis to the second axis looks counter-clockwise when seen from the point (0, 0, 1); a convention that is commonly called the right hand rule.
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