Was Hitler a Christian?

[DudleySmith]

do you think that PIUS XII regretted not excommunicating him?

I don't know. Popes are more concerned with secular politics than religion, and the Vatican usually does what benefits them politically; he probably didn't see any benefit in excommunicating him while he controlled Europe, even when Hitler outlawed all the Catholic adult and youth groups and other associated organizations and began tearing the crosses off of German churches, the latter act of which prompted several assassination attempts by German nobles and Generals whose ancestors built a lot of those village churches.

Most people knew Hitler and Germany was toast by 1943 and FDR's unconditional surrender demand at the Casablanca Conference, especially German and Italian leaders, so it was a moot issue a far affecting the war in any way. Pius could certainly have done a lot more to shut down the operations of the German sympathizers priest aiding escapes to South America for Catholic Nazis and and done a lot more to aid the underground priest operations hiding refugees across Europe. He had to know about both factions, especially the ones aiding war criminals. No way he couldn't have known about Father Saliege's operations in Toulouse and Benoit in Rome and Boetto in Genoa, for instance, yet he did nothing that I can tell. The German sympathizers could count on some support from the Vatican, if not Pius himself, while the anti-Hitler factions were left on their own.

FDR and Churchill knew

The Allies received detailed information about the Holocaust earlier than is generally realized, according to a new U.S. government report. And that has important implications for our understanding of how the Allies responded to the Holocaust.

www.washingtontimes.com

The Sam Roberts article includes a positive reference in the Hanyok report to Pope Pius XII’s statements and actions vis-a-vis the Jews during the Nazi period. Mr. Roberts writes, “It also offers a revealing exchange involving Pope Pius XII, who some historians say did not use his influence to halt the killing of Jews. The conversation, relayed by an Ecuadorian envoy, was between the Vatican ambassador and Marshal Henri-PhillippePetain,the French collaborationist leader. Over lunch at a Vichy hotel in July 1942, Petain said he was consoled that the pope approved his policy of deporting Jews. The ambassador corrected him, saying, “The Holy Father does not approve.” If the Vatican had announced that it would excommunicate Petain or any other Catholic who took part or assisted in the slaughter of the Jews, one can only wonder what the impact would have been.

This is about the only 'positive' reference re Pius I can find, and it doesn't say he actually did anything other than 'disapprove'; no actual actions of any sort. Petain wasn't excommunicated either, was he?

 

[Crepitus]

I think he was. But Himmler wasnt, the occultism came from Himmler and the black sun rituals.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ~ Adolf Hitler

He was nominally a Catholic, but not actively practicing.

 

[DudleySmith]

No way he couldn't have known about Father Saliege's operations in Toulouse and Benoit in Rome and Boetto in Genoa,

These were anti-Hitler Catholic priest activists, hiding Jews and other targeted populations; they way I posted them didn't make that clear. Sorry for the confusion.

What would make a good research project would be if somebody could find out if these pro and anti forces knew about each other, and did anything about it if they did know.

 

[ChemEngineer]

But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. – Adolf Hitler

“In Hitler’s eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves,” wrote Alan Bullock “Hitler, A Study in Tyranny,” a seminal biography. “Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle of the fittest.”


"The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity." - Adolf Hitler


By 1942, Hitler vowed, according to Bullock, to “root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches,” describing them as “the evil that is gnawing our vitals.”

 

[SweetSue92]

But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. – Adolf Hitler

“In Hitler’s eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves,” wrote Alan Bullock “Hitler, A Study in Tyranny,” a seminal biography. “Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle of the fittest.”


"The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity." - Adolf Hitler


By 1942, Hitler vowed, according to Bullock, to “root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches,” describing them as “the evil that is gnawing our vitals.”

So of course he worshipped "Science" rather than the Creator of science....

That sounds so familiar.....

 

[Bobob]

I gotta here your interpretation or explanation for that post... Do tell.

I did tell. Read the post again.

 

[beagle9]

I did tell. Read the post again.

Not your interpretation of it... Do tell.

 

[ChemEngineer]

I did tell. Read the post again.

beagle9 said:
I gotta here (sic) your interpretation or explanation for that post... Do tell.

Beagle9, your profound intellectualism is KILLIN' us! Keep it up.

 

[Stann]

I think he was. But Himmler wasnt, the occultism came from Himmler and the black sun rituals.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ~ Adolf Hitler

Megalomaniacs don't believe in gods, they think they are one.

 

[Stann]

He was nominally a Catholic, but not actively practicing.

Good point, like Trump claiming to be a Christian but never entering the church, but using churches as props.

 

[K9Buck]

I think he was. But Himmler wasnt, the occultism came from Himmler and the black sun rituals.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ~ Adolf Hitler

Hitler was a Christian for many years of his life but, eventually, he renounced religion altogether. Hitler certainly was NOT a follower of Christ and Christ's teachings.

 

[westwall]

I think he was. But Himmler wasnt, the occultism came from Himmler and the black sun rituals.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ~ Adolf Hitler

No, he was a devout atheist who despised religion of all kinds.

 

[Turtlesoup]

I think he was. But Himmler wasnt, the occultism came from Himmler and the black sun rituals.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ~ Adolf Hitler

Each era has its own culture mort. Like the 60's people were different than the 80's people, the 30's and 40's were different as well. A little mysticism and cultism was common in christians in both Europe and the US........they were looking for "magic" in all the wrong places. It was a hallmark of their era.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Hitler was a Christian for many years of his life but, eventually, he renounced religion altogether. Hitler certainly was NOT a follower of Christ and Christ's teachings.

Thats a lie.....Hitler was a catholic and wrote at the end of his life that he was always a catholic and would remain so to his death. Hitler was certainly a follower of the catholic teachings in Germany and thusly of christ and his imagined teachings. Back then, Catholics and Lutherans were teaching that the Jews murdered Christ as per Martin Luthers teaching specifically who called for the murder of jews. Hitler, despite the bs put out, has some evidence now showing that he wasn't the one pushing for the murder of the jews though----but a couple of his underling CAtholic cabinet members------including Goebels who used the jews (specifically jewish bankers RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY) as the scape goats for the financial hardships of Germany. In fact, Hitlers economics is what endeared the german people to him as he was able to turn the Germans crashed economy into a booming economy.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

I think he was. But Himmler wasnt, the occultism came from Himmler and the black sun rituals.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ~ Adolf Hitler

Maybe ....he was most certainly One of the most successful democratic socialist of all time

 

[K9Buck]

Thats a lie

Wow you're aggressive.

 

[K9Buck]

Thats a lie.....Hitler was a catholic and wrote at the end of his life that he was always a catholic and would remain so to his death. Hitler was certainly a follower of the catholic teachings in Germany and thusly of christ and his imagined teachings. Back then, Catholics and Lutherans were teaching that the Jews murdered Christ as per Martin Luthers teaching specifically who called for the murder of jews. Hitler, despite the bs put out, has some evidence now showing that he wasn't the one pushing for the murder of the jews though----but a couple of his underling CAtholic cabinet members------including Goebels who used the jews (specifically jewish bankers RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY) as the scape goats for the financial hardships of Germany. In fact, Hitlers economics is what endeared the german people to him as he was able to turn the Germans crashed economy into a booming economy.

Researchers disagree with you. Hitler abandoned Christianity early in his life.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/20/hitler-hated-judaism-he-loathed-christianity-too/

 

[K9Buck]

Hitler was a right-wing nationalist

He was a left-wing nationalist that wanted government control over every facet of German society. That's a left-wing principle, not right-wing.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Wow you're aggressive.

I am just tired of the lies. I've been hearing the same lies over and over and over all my life. This nonsense of christians specifically catholics given the shit that they did in specific regards to the nazis trying to rewrite history about Hitler being a catholic is disgusting. Not as bad as other facts such as without the catholic church accord with Hitler----Hitler would have never came to power, or without the catholics teaching of jew hate and murder that the german people would not have helped Hitler kill as much, or worse that it was the CATHOLIC church who aided the Nazis escape from the allies.

Catholics don't want the truth out--Hitler was a catholic, the catholics were teaching long before Hitler and to hitler that the JEWS murdered christ and thusly should be killed off, that it was the pope who helped Hitler come to power because Hitler reinstated the church tax (where the german government collected taxes directly for the catholic church) and gave the catholics better access to school children--that the catholics were fully involved the SOCIALIST movement in Germany---all of it. And that the catholics are why so many of the nazis wound up in South America instead in allied prison.

Instead the catholics lie their asses off and claim that Hitler was an atheist.....even though he wasn't and never was and not even close to it.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Researchers disagree with you. Hitler abandoned Christianity early in his life.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/20/hitler-hated-judaism-he-loathed-christianity-too/

"Researcher"? you mean catholic propagandists don't you? They are lying their asses off. Hitler himself wrote of being a catholic and always remaining a catholic. These be the facts--------

He was a raised by a very catholic mother---sent to catholic schools, was one of the boys who takes parts in the catholic ceremony, once thought of or attended a catholic seminary...copied the swatiska from his boyhood CATHOLIC church's motiff and so much more. He was a catholic-------from day one to his last day.