Warren Commission was correct........Oswald acted alone

[rightwinger]

If Oswald had assistance in the crime he would have gotten a better rifle, a car, spending money and a pistol if he wanted one

Like many others the whole premise of CandyCorns gobblety gook about the pistol is that someone like Oswald and his actions can be analyzed rationally and we can compare his actions to a logical intelligent persons actions.

It is strange how few people seem to apply this nonsense to common crime. After all when the average gangsta commits a drive by shooting why do they not plan ahead and steal or borrow or buy a more ordinary looking car instead of taking the bright red cadillac with spinning rims which they normally cruise in thus making it easier for them to be identified?

Why does the average bank robber not set off a huge explosion a few miles away to draw off the police from his target?

Why does the average jealous husband who gets drunk and shoots his cheating wife and her lover not throw his murder weapon into the nearest lake or river but instead hangs on to it which allows it to be seized as evidence?

We see examples of criminals behaving stupidly ALL the time. Even those who plan the crime such as bank robbers or drive by shooters. What Oswald did was JUST a murder. The fact that the victim was the president only makes it a famous murder but still just a murder.

The fact that Oswald showed some planning but of a poor and incomplete manner is simply normal and typical of homicidal individuals. Candycorns stupidity lies in thinking EVERYONE ELSE WOULD HAVE GRABBED THE PISTOL TOO. He then jumps to the idiotic conclusion that since Oswald did something different than what other people would have done that he has proven a conspiracy.

No they would not have because not just anyone would have tried to commit murder of the president with a rifle. Only a very few deranged individuals would try to murder the president. Such people by definition will probably not think or act like most normal and intelligent people. Therefore an inconsistency or anomaly is evidence of ...... nothing.

My favorite is criminals with a tattoo that is easily recognizable

Instead of “some guy with dark hair, white t shirt and jeans” we get some guy with a tattoo of a skull with a snake in its mouth

 

[Soupnazi630]

If Oswald had assistance in the crime he would have gotten a better rifle, a car, spending money and a pistol if he wanted one

Like many others the whole premise of CandyCorns gobblety gook about the pistol is that someone like Oswald and his actions can be analyzed rationally and we can compare his actions to a logical intelligent persons actions.

It is strange how few people seem to apply this nonsense to common crime. After all when the average gangsta commits a drive by shooting why do they not plan ahead and steal or borrow or buy a more ordinary looking car instead of taking the bright red cadillac with spinning rims which they normally cruise in thus making it easier for them to be identified?

Why does the average bank robber not set off a huge explosion a few miles away to draw off the police from his target?

Why does the average jealous husband who gets drunk and shoots his cheating wife and her lover not throw his murder weapon into the nearest lake or river but instead hangs on to it which allows it to be seized as evidence?

We see examples of criminals behaving stupidly ALL the time. Even those who plan the crime such as bank robbers or drive by shooters. What Oswald did was JUST a murder. The fact that the victim was the president only makes it a famous murder but still just a murder.

The fact that Oswald showed some planning but of a poor and incomplete manner is simply normal and typical of homicidal individuals. Candycorns stupidity lies in thinking EVERYONE ELSE WOULD HAVE GRABBED THE PISTOL TOO. He then jumps to the idiotic conclusion that since Oswald did something different than what other people would have done that he has proven a conspiracy.

No they would not have because not just anyone would have tried to commit murder of the president with a rifle. Only a very few deranged individuals would try to murder the president. Such people by definition will probably not think or act like most normal and intelligent people. Therefore an inconsistency or anomaly is evidence of ...... nothing.

My favorite is criminals with a tattoo that is easily recognizable

Instead of “some guy with dark hair, white t shirt and jeans” we get some guy with a tattoo of a skull with a snake in its mouth

I see that all the time in prison. We call them criminal masterminds.

The variety is astonishing. My personal favorite is a white recidivist with blue flames on his face rising from his goatee, the word WAR in five inch block letters across the front of his throat and , best of all, a tattoo of his own face on the back of his head, and yes he is bald.

True story.

I actually asked him if he was identified on camera running way from the scene of the crime? Since you see the same face coming and going.

There are many others who come close to being my favorite but I would derail the thread describing them all.

 

[rightwinger]

If Oswald had assistance in the crime he would have gotten a better rifle, a car, spending money and a pistol if he wanted one

Of course we cannot prove it one way or the other but it is entirely plausible maybe even somewhat probable that Oswald did not even think OF his hand gun until he slipped away. From the moment he found out that the presidents motorcade would drive by the TSBD (which he probably learned afternoon on thursday nov 21st ) he likely spent his entire time thinking of how to retrieve the rifle and smuggle it into his place of employment.

He was likely imagining different scenarios of how it would turn out. Possibly thinking of what to say if asked uncomfortable questions by someone.

Another interesting anomaly which no one can explain is what would he have done if several co workers remained on the sixth floor with him? There was no way he could have known he would be alone on the sixth floor. Of course this is also one more fact which ruins conspiracy theories since there was no way for anyone else to have relied on his being alone. The point is he may have had some sort of plan in mind for this, he may have spent considerable time coming up with alternatives for various obstacles.

As it stands he got lucky and everyone left the sixth floor leaving him alone in his snipers nest. But in all likelyhood he was consumed with many thoughts of what could happen before the shooting and he may have been planning how to react.

Interesting point

Guess it depends on how motivated he was to get away.
He may have called it off if witnesses were present or he may have set up his shooters nest and fired until someone stopped him

I heard they were refinishing the floors and all the boxes were crammed to one side of the room so the other side could be finished

 

[Soupnazi630]

If Oswald had assistance in the crime he would have gotten a better rifle, a car, spending money and a pistol if he wanted one

Of course we cannot prove it one way or the other but it is entirely plausible maybe even somewhat probable that Oswald did not even think OF his hand gun until he slipped away. From the moment he found out that the presidents motorcade would drive by the TSBD (which he probably learned afternoon on thursday nov 21st ) he likely spent his entire time thinking of how to retrieve the rifle and smuggle it into his place of employment.

He was likely imagining different scenarios of how it would turn out. Possibly thinking of what to say if asked uncomfortable questions by someone.

Another interesting anomaly which no one can explain is what would he have done if several co workers remained on the sixth floor with him? There was no way he could have known he would be alone on the sixth floor. Of course this is also one more fact which ruins conspiracy theories since there was no way for anyone else to have relied on his being alone. The point is he may have had some sort of plan in mind for this, he may have spent considerable time coming up with alternatives for various obstacles.

As it stands he got lucky and everyone left the sixth floor leaving him alone in his snipers nest. But in all likelyhood he was consumed with many thoughts of what could happen before the shooting and he may have been planning how to react.

Interesting point

Guess it depends on how motivated he was to get away.
He may have called it off if witnesses were present or he may have set up his shooters nest and fired until someone stopped him

I heard they were refinishing the floors and all the boxes were crammed to one side of the room so the other side could be finished

You heard correctly. The floor had been completely torn out so they could replace it. A temporary floor of thick plywood had been nailed across the struts.

The significance of this is that it allowed the men directly below him to clearly hear the 3 shots, the expended shells hitting the plywood and even the mechanical sound of the bolt being worked. The also heard his footsteps leading away from the window to the stairwell he took down to the second floor.

Charlie Givens and James Jarman were two of these men. Contrary to what fools like gipper claim they KNEW there was one shooter and he was directly above them literally a few feet away. One of them ( I forget which ) testrfied that he realized some of the people in dealey were having a herd or stampede reaction sunning up the grassy knoll which was the wrong spot. He knew the shooter was directly over his head.

Of course they were smart enough to stay put and not try to confront a man with a rifle and who is crazy enough to shoot at the president.

 

[Soupnazi630]

If Oswald had assistance in the crime he would have gotten a better rifle, a car, spending money and a pistol if he wanted one

Of course we cannot prove it one way or the other but it is entirely plausible maybe even somewhat probable that Oswald did not even think OF his hand gun until he slipped away. From the moment he found out that the presidents motorcade would drive by the TSBD (which he probably learned afternoon on thursday nov 21st ) he likely spent his entire time thinking of how to retrieve the rifle and smuggle it into his place of employment.

He was likely imagining different scenarios of how it would turn out. Possibly thinking of what to say if asked uncomfortable questions by someone.

Another interesting anomaly which no one can explain is what would he have done if several co workers remained on the sixth floor with him? There was no way he could have known he would be alone on the sixth floor. Of course this is also one more fact which ruins conspiracy theories since there was no way for anyone else to have relied on his being alone. The point is he may have had some sort of plan in mind for this, he may have spent considerable time coming up with alternatives for various obstacles.

As it stands he got lucky and everyone left the sixth floor leaving him alone in his snipers nest. But in all likelyhood he was consumed with many thoughts of what could happen before the shooting and he may have been planning how to react.

Interesting point

Guess it depends on how motivated he was to get away.
He may have called it off if witnesses were present or he may have set up his shooters nest and fired until someone stopped him

I heard they were refinishing the floors and all the boxes were crammed to one side of the room so the other side could be finished

You heard correctly. The floor had been completely torn out so they could replace it. A temporary floor of thick plywood had been nailed across the struts.

The significance of this is that it allowed the men directly below him to clearly hear the 3 shots, the expended shells hitting the plywood and even the mechanical sound of the bolt being worked. The also heard his footsteps leading away from the window to the stairwell he took down to the second floor.

Charlie Givens and James Jarman were two of these men. Contrary to what fools like gipper claim they KNEW there was one shooter and he was directly above them literally a few feet away. One of them ( I forget which ) testrfied that he realized some of the people in dealey were having a herd or stampede reaction sunning up the grassy knoll which was the wrong spot. He knew the shooter was directly over his head.

Of course they were smart enough to stay put and not try to confront a man with a rifle and who is crazy enough to shoot at the president.

Incidentally Charlie givens was a key witness as he and another man were on the sixth floor shortly before the shooting. They both positively placed Oswald on the sixth floor and when they left he remained.

Yes one more witness that the liars like gipper pretend do not exist.

 

[rightwinger]

If Oswald had assistance in the crime he would have gotten a better rifle, a car, spending money and a pistol if he wanted one

Of course we cannot prove it one way or the other but it is entirely plausible maybe even somewhat probable that Oswald did not even think OF his hand gun until he slipped away. From the moment he found out that the presidents motorcade would drive by the TSBD (which he probably learned afternoon on thursday nov 21st ) he likely spent his entire time thinking of how to retrieve the rifle and smuggle it into his place of employment.

He was likely imagining different scenarios of how it would turn out. Possibly thinking of what to say if asked uncomfortable questions by someone.

Another interesting anomaly which no one can explain is what would he have done if several co workers remained on the sixth floor with him? There was no way he could have known he would be alone on the sixth floor. Of course this is also one more fact which ruins conspiracy theories since there was no way for anyone else to have relied on his being alone. The point is he may have had some sort of plan in mind for this, he may have spent considerable time coming up with alternatives for various obstacles.

As it stands he got lucky and everyone left the sixth floor leaving him alone in his snipers nest. But in all likelyhood he was consumed with many thoughts of what could happen before the shooting and he may have been planning how to react.

Interesting point

Guess it depends on how motivated he was to get away.
He may have called it off if witnesses were present or he may have set up his shooters nest and fired until someone stopped him

I heard they were refinishing the floors and all the boxes were crammed to one side of the room so the other side could be finished

You heard correctly. The floor had been completely torn out so they could replace it. A temporary floor of thick plywood had been nailed across the struts.

The significance of this is that it allowed the men directly below him to clearly hear the 3 shots, the expended shells hitting the plywood and even the mechanical sound of the bolt being worked. The also heard his footsteps leading away from the window to the stairwell he took down to the second floor.

Charlie Givens and James Jarman were two of these men. Contrary to what fools like gipper claim they KNEW there was one shooter and he was directly above them literally a few feet away. One of them ( I forget which ) testrfied that he realized some of the people in dealey were having a herd or stampede reaction sunning up the grassy knoll which was the wrong spot. He knew the shooter was directly over his head.

Of course they were smart enough to stay put and not try to confront a man with a rifle and who is crazy enough to shoot at the president.

Incidentally Charlie givens was a key witness as he and another man were on the sixth floor shortly before the shooting. They both positively placed Oswald on the sixth floor and when they left he remained.

Yes one more witness that the liars like gipper pretend do not exist.

Were they with the mafia or CIA?

 

[Soupnazi630]

If Oswald had assistance in the crime he would have gotten a better rifle, a car, spending money and a pistol if he wanted one

Of course we cannot prove it one way or the other but it is entirely plausible maybe even somewhat probable that Oswald did not even think OF his hand gun until he slipped away. From the moment he found out that the presidents motorcade would drive by the TSBD (which he probably learned afternoon on thursday nov 21st ) he likely spent his entire time thinking of how to retrieve the rifle and smuggle it into his place of employment.

He was likely imagining different scenarios of how it would turn out. Possibly thinking of what to say if asked uncomfortable questions by someone.

Another interesting anomaly which no one can explain is what would he have done if several co workers remained on the sixth floor with him? There was no way he could have known he would be alone on the sixth floor. Of course this is also one more fact which ruins conspiracy theories since there was no way for anyone else to have relied on his being alone. The point is he may have had some sort of plan in mind for this, he may have spent considerable time coming up with alternatives for various obstacles.

As it stands he got lucky and everyone left the sixth floor leaving him alone in his snipers nest. But in all likelyhood he was consumed with many thoughts of what could happen before the shooting and he may have been planning how to react.

Interesting point

Guess it depends on how motivated he was to get away.
He may have called it off if witnesses were present or he may have set up his shooters nest and fired until someone stopped him

I heard they were refinishing the floors and all the boxes were crammed to one side of the room so the other side could be finished

You heard correctly. The floor had been completely torn out so they could replace it. A temporary floor of thick plywood had been nailed across the struts.

The significance of this is that it allowed the men directly below him to clearly hear the 3 shots, the expended shells hitting the plywood and even the mechanical sound of the bolt being worked. The also heard his footsteps leading away from the window to the stairwell he took down to the second floor.

Charlie Givens and James Jarman were two of these men. Contrary to what fools like gipper claim they KNEW there was one shooter and he was directly above them literally a few feet away. One of them ( I forget which ) testrfied that he realized some of the people in dealey were having a herd or stampede reaction sunning up the grassy knoll which was the wrong spot. He knew the shooter was directly over his head.

Of course they were smart enough to stay put and not try to confront a man with a rifle and who is crazy enough to shoot at the president.

Incidentally Charlie givens was a key witness as he and another man were on the sixth floor shortly before the shooting. They both positively placed Oswald on the sixth floor and when they left he remained.

Yes one more witness that the liars like gipper pretend do not exist.

Were they with the mafia or CIA?

Well he was a black man and for some reason I cannot understand everyone wants to point out that he was eating his lunch right before leaving the sixth floor to join his friends on the fifth floor. Conspiracy nuts love to point out the little detail that he was eating fried chicken for lunch. It was even mentioned in the movie JFK.

I suppose if we are going to play stereotypes he was not mafia as they would have been eating linguine.

On the other hand if he were CIA he would have been having a martini.

I suppose he could have been a free mason.

 

[candycorn]

Most on earth would not have.

In Oswald's shoes you would have a choice, one or the other. Both would not be reasonable.

That was proven many posts ago.

So you're saying it was Impossible for him to gather his arsenal before killing JFK?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Sorry you cannot have it your way.

It was unreasonable for him to retrieve both. Nor did he have a reason to get both.

The fact is....he didn’t get his pistol before the assassination

He went home to get the rifle he needed. While there, he left his wife almost $200
If he thought a pistol was that important to his plan, he could have held out $50 to buy one

It was obviously not that important

It was so unimportant…he went to collect the pistol when he should have been getting out of town big time.

That comment made zero sense. Sorry but that statement was something I’d expect from a 9/11 truther. If it wasn’t important, he wouldn’t have gone to get it after the assassination. Obviously something changed at or around the time of the assassination.

Once again highlighting poor planning on the part of Oswald
Hardly, a high placed conspiracy

Pistol or no pistol....Oswald was not going to get away
He only lasted slightly over an hour on the street

Some conspiracy

Never said it was a great conspiracy.
Never claimed it was anything other than a theory.

Not sure how you can dub something unimportant when the facts report that he went there to get it after he shot JFK. Seems pretty important to me. I mean...do you personally go pick up a firearm as an afterthought often? No. Nobody does. But your mileage may vary.

Not sure how you can say it was "Once again highlighting poor planning on the part of Oswald" when the nutjob had enough marbles to wrap his rifle in a paper container he made from scratch apparently.

I don't think we're getting anywhere.

 

[rightwinger]

So you're saying it was Impossible for him to gather his arsenal before killing JFK?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Sorry you cannot have it your way.

It was unreasonable for him to retrieve both. Nor did he have a reason to get both.

The fact is....he didn’t get his pistol before the assassination

He went home to get the rifle he needed. While there, he left his wife almost $200
If he thought a pistol was that important to his plan, he could have held out $50 to buy one

It was obviously not that important

It was so unimportant…he went to collect the pistol when he should have been getting out of town big time.

That comment made zero sense. Sorry but that statement was something I’d expect from a 9/11 truther. If it wasn’t important, he wouldn’t have gone to get it after the assassination. Obviously something changed at or around the time of the assassination.

Once again highlighting poor planning on the part of Oswald
Hardly, a high placed conspiracy

Pistol or no pistol....Oswald was not going to get away
He only lasted slightly over an hour on the street

Some conspiracy

Never said it was a great conspiracy.
Never claimed it was anything other than a theory.

Not sure how you can dub something unimportant when the facts report that he went there to get it after he shot JFK. Seems pretty important to me. I mean...do you personally go pick up a firearm as an afterthought often? No. Nobody does. But your mileage may vary.

Not sure how you can say it was "Once again highlighting poor planning on the part of Oswald" when the nutjob had enough marbles to wrap his rifle in a paper container he made from scratch apparently.

I don't think we're getting anywhere.

The Lincoln assassination was a conspiracy
John Wilkes Booth did not have much of an escape plan other than .....go south and they will treat me like a hero

But at least he had a horse. Oswald did not even have that

I would guess that many times they think about the crime more than what will they do next

 

[candycorn]

OK

 

[rightwinger]

Other than bizarre, unsupported claims

Nobody has provided ANY evidence that Oswald received help

 

[gipper]

Other than bizarre, unsupported claims

Nobody has provided ANY evidence that Oswald received help

No one has ever proved Oswald did anything.

 

[rightwinger]

Other than bizarre, unsupported claims

Nobody has provided ANY evidence that Oswald received help

No one has ever proved Oswald did anything.

He never went to trial if that is what you are claiming

 

[Soupnazi630]

Other than bizarre, unsupported claims

Nobody has provided ANY evidence that Oswald received help

No one has ever proved Oswald did anything.

Of course they have.

I cited tons of evidence.

You cited none.

 

[gipper]

Other than bizarre, unsupported claims

Nobody has provided ANY evidence that Oswald received help

No one has ever proved Oswald did anything.

Of course they have.

I cited tons of evidence.

You cited none.

Yes tons of evidence showing he never fired a shot.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Other than bizarre, unsupported claims

Nobody has provided ANY evidence that Oswald received help

No one has ever proved Oswald did anything.

Of course they have.

I cited tons of evidence.

You cited none.

Yes tons of evidence showing he never fired a shot.

No evidence shows that at all which is why you can never cite such evidence.

I have cited a mountain of evidence proving you wrong and your only argument is UNNH UNNH CIA.

 

[gipper]

Other than bizarre, unsupported claims

Nobody has provided ANY evidence that Oswald received help

No one has ever proved Oswald did anything.

Of course they have.

I cited tons of evidence.

You cited none.

Yes tons of evidence showing he never fired a shot.

No evidence shows that at all which is why you can never cite such evidence.

I have cited a mountain of evidence proving you wrong and your only argument is UNNH UNNH CIA.

That’s right. There is no evidence Oswald did the deed, but there is tons of evidence your boys at Langley did.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Other than bizarre, unsupported claims

Nobody has provided ANY evidence that Oswald received help

No one has ever proved Oswald did anything.

Of course they have.

I cited tons of evidence.

You cited none.

Yes tons of evidence showing he never fired a shot.

No evidence shows that at all which is why you can never cite such evidence.

I have cited a mountain of evidence proving you wrong and your only argument is UNNH UNNH CIA.

That’s right. There is no evidence Oswald did the deed, but there is tons of evidence your boys at Langley did.

Wrong.

I have cited tons of evidence proving Oswald shot Kennedy you have cited none.

You are simply lying about evidence which you cannot cite because you hate being pwned.

 

[westwall]

Other than bizarre, unsupported claims

Nobody has provided ANY evidence that Oswald received help

The House Select Committee on Assassinations did. They ruled the Kennedy assassination a conspiracy. I thought you supported everything that government does. What gives?

 

[westwall]

No one has ever proved Oswald did anything.

Of course they have.

I cited tons of evidence.

You cited none.

Yes tons of evidence showing he never fired a shot.

No evidence shows that at all which is why you can never cite such evidence.

I have cited a mountain of evidence proving you wrong and your only argument is UNNH UNNH CIA.

That’s right. There is no evidence Oswald did the deed, but there is tons of evidence your boys at Langley did.

Wrong.

I have cited tons of evidence proving Oswald shot Kennedy you have cited none.

You are simply lying about evidence which you cannot cite because you hate being pwned.

No, you haven't. You have provided tons of opinion, but nothing substantive. Are you just lying, or do you not know the difference?